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April 20, 2024, 09:37:21 PM
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KathleenDSmith1


Everyone and Teddy:

Please if anyone could clarify what did Lyuda meant (copied and paste) in the Unknown Diary, Lyuda stated there are some many holes in the tent...and what I'm talking about is "Cuts" of the Tent and the "Holes" in the tent???


Lyuda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Tibo changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged.

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April 26, 2024, 10:49:08 AM
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Arjan


Due to 1. aging, and/or 2. bad/wet storage, and/or 3. friction/tension during handeling, the seams of the tent may/might have partly warn out.

Personally I have thought that these holes had been caused by wear of an older tent, like wear/aging of clothing the seams make come loose.

 

April 26, 2024, 04:22:15 PM
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Before addrssing the business of who got in a snit about sewing a patch on a tent, it would be better to know who wrote the diary. It can not be that hard. There are handwriting samples for all.

Next, this inquiry about patching the tent is leading and of no significant intrinsic value.. I think the sub rosa intent is to argue for some sort of protest and revolt at a critical juncture. 

On the whole, I get the feeling that gender equality was an issue on the hike with the younger generation, but not Zolo who was past that nonsense.. In a mixed group like the DP9, the undercurrent of sexual tension produces frustration which begets aggression.  To sublimate the sexual urges, there is much intellectualization and petty power plays evidenced in the diaries. For example, lets go see a romantic movie as many times as we can and then have an " adult" conversation about love and romance etc. It is not the same between the sexes. but the charade must constantly be reinforced by making rules and obeying them. Someone will likely become the altruistic punisher in the group. There are dozens of names we give to that sort of person, most are not nice.

Then,  this is thread is leading to the idea that it wasn't weather, assasins nor critters that precipitated their leaving the tent for the woods. It was, instead a " hissy fit" leading one or more people to go storming off out of the tent poorly dressed to pout. Eventually they all left the tent and collected themselves as a group. They did not go back. We know what followed. If true, it was easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a needle through a canvas patch.
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April 27, 2024, 10:39:45 AM
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Axelrod


Before addrssing the business of who got in a snit about sewing a patch on a tent, it would be better to know who wrote the diary.
maybe it was Dyatlov's diary. In old inet materials (hibinafiles) it belongs to Dyatlov.

So. why prosecutors decided that it is Kolmogorova's diary?
 

April 27, 2024, 07:22:40 PM
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Everyone and Teddy:


I'm not talking about anything about "Sexual",  what I'm talking about was the "Sewing".... difference of "Tent being "Cut"....
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April 27, 2024, 09:30:26 PM
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Some of the holes that you circle in white could be the patched holes that the diary refers to I suppose.

It does seem a bit odd that none of the testimonies mention finding the tent in shreds like we see here. The tent looks like it has fixed ground sheet, as in the ground sheet is joined to the sides but I could be wrong. I think it was uncommon.

If it was a fixed ground sheet it would make sense for the searcher's to rip/cut it open from the top side but it's not recorded anywhere that this is what was done. This might be in fear of someone getting into trouble for not doing things correctly but it is a chaotic mess of holes, rips and cuts.

There seems to be too many random cuts for a quick internal exit and ....too many random cuts for external entry by the searcher's.

Having said that, I am assuming that some of the photos show the tent being stapled or sewn back together to aid the investigation in to how the tent looked when in one piece.

The first searcher got his hands in some how to acces the contents and find no bodies whilst taking some of the belongings. Just more annoying facts that we can't be sure of.
 

April 27, 2024, 10:56:22 PM
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Everyone and Teddy: Please if anyone could clarify what did Lyuda meant (copied and paste) in the Unknown Diary, Lyuda stated there are some many holes in the tent...and what I'm talking about is "Cuts" of the Tent and the "Holes" in the tent???

From the testimony of forester Pashin, see case sheet 49, from the interrogation of forester Pashin, it can be concluded that the tent was not cut on February 24 because there were things inside, but he does not say that everything inside is covered with snow. The tent was later cut down by M. Sharavin. The forester did not see any traces of Dyatlov's group, although the forester is a professional in detecting human or animal tracks. In the photo: the tent is not covered with snow, but scattered with a shovel. Conclusion: tourists did not cut the tent themselves, did not run out into the cold naked. This is exactly what the forgers convince us of.
 

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Everyone and Teddy: Please if anyone could clarify what did Lyuda meant (copied and paste) in the Unknown Diary, Lyuda stated there are some many holes in the tent...and what I'm talking about is "Cuts" of the Tent and the "Holes" in the tent???

From the testimony of forester Pashin, see case sheet 49, from the interrogation of forester Pashin, it can be concluded that the tent was not cut on February 24 because there were things inside, but he does not say that everything inside is covered with snow. The tent was later cut down by M. Sharavin. The forester did not see any traces of Dyatlov's group, although the forester is a professional in detecting human or animal tracks. In the photo: the tent is not covered with snow, but scattered with a shovel. Conclusion: tourists did not cut the tent themselves, did not run out into the cold naked. This is exactly what the forgers convince us of.

I read a bit differently Anna.

Pashin did not find the tent, others in his group did later on the 27th of February. Pashin did find a number of traces of both the hikers and Mansi ski trails along with two campsites. One campsite was an earlier campsite of the hikers and another of Mansi and elks/moose which he assumed was after the hikers campsite because the Mansi traces were fresher than the hikers campsite. (So there people there after the hikers in a radius of at least 10km .)

The hikers trail to the final campsite on 1079 was blown by snow and wind, there was no traces of hikers , outsiders or Mansi on 1079, only the mixed foot prints leading away from the tent to the ceder/ravine.

Pashin refers to this campsite but the translation is a bit confusing in the English Vs Russian. There seems to be slight differences.

They were also not naked, poorly dressed for being outside for any length of time, yes, but not naked. It loks like there was some kind of preparation going on at the time of the incident, as in a change of clothes after setting the tent up , clothes for sleeping in, or getting ready to start the next day.

 

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You don't have to read Anna. Read sheet 49 of the Criminal Case, the testimony of forester Pashin. Draw your own conclusions..