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Meteor / Re: Meteor

« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 11:38:53 AM »

If such a rocket had landed at the pass, it would have left a big mess over a wide area.

Perhaps, 'big mess' left by a fallen rocket's stage is an exaggeration. There are examples, when the spot, where a part of a rocket landed, looks quite innocent. This article says more about that: https://www.e1.ru/text/world/2019/02/21/65981111/

Well, there are theories surrounding this rocket event. As that article states,'' incidentally, there's a theory that the tourists at Dyatlov Pass in 1959 died precisely because of the stage's fall, or more precisely, because of its fuel. The toxicity of the fuel at the time is unknown.
After the launch, specialists also survey the area, search for separated fragments, neutralise residual rocket fuel components, monitor the environmental situation, and return evacuated people to their original location.''
However, there is no report of anything like that having occurred at the Dyatlov Group's location. Also, if it had occurred, there would have been plenty of physical evidence.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by Partorg on December 06, 2025, 11:03:03 AM »

Petr Bartolomey, one of the search team members, said in a 2012 interview that ski tracks from the Dyatlovites between Pereval and Palatka were visible as early as March. In the form of a “rail” raised above the surface and not a continuous line, but in separate sections of about 20 meters.  This can be explained by the fact that in some areas of the slope the snow did not linger, and they walked on a hard, wind-blown slab, leaving no traces; in the depressions in the terrain the snow settled, and there the traces were imprinted. The same picture is seen in the section of their descent to Kedr - in some places there are traces-pillars, but in the neighboring places there are not.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by Ziljoe on December 06, 2025, 08:22:28 AM »

I would guess a number of variables come into play .

I think there is less snow on the pass. The wind blows the snow off the top of the pass and all the hight exposed hill tops or flat areas. Obviously there will on occasion be no wind and the snow will maybe gain some depth. If the weather conditions allow , this snow may become hard also. If there is sun through the day it can warm the surface of rocks and add moisture and then freeze hard or harder.

It is quite possible that the snow was not lying or very deep over the pass to the tent location . That is just because it is more exposed .

If we assume that the last two photos are the last pitching of the tent , there doesn't seem to be much depth to the snow where there back packs and skis stand. The snow looks strong and hard enough to support their weight and it is here they decide to build the tent foundation.

It is perhaps that their was a fresh snowfall up to the point of the incident or some new movement of snow .

There is a great video of footprints being made by people visiting the area and some foot prints are exposed and others covered again with new hard snow.

The weather and snow conditions will always be different and can change rapidly with a short space if time.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on December 06, 2025, 03:19:39 AM »

When the snow temperature is from 0 to – 6°C, the snow moisture content (the ratio of the mass of the liquid phase (water) to the mass of dry crystals) is about 1–1.3%, and the mold pressed by the foot acquires a density and strength sufficient to resist wind erosion, and a subsequent decrease in temperature turns it into something like white “hockey” ice which can survive until spring and be the last snow that melts surrounded by the first grass.

I want to return to this theory, which I am to admit is strong.

If I have understood correctly, during the day of February 1st snow temperature on the slope was in the range [0C..-6C] and moisture index was 1.3%. When the hikers went down the slope, their feet pressed wet snow thus increasing moisture index, and the prints later became icy. This is clear and triggers no questions. The question is why the group's ski track from the Rock on DP to the tent's site had not preserved. The group members went on skis one after another, so pressure on the snow should be x9. Even more water should be pressed out of snow in ski track and then freeze. The ski track should be visible first of all. Why did natural processes work different on such limited territory? What is your explanation?

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Meteor / Re: Meteor

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on December 06, 2025, 12:15:55 AM »

If such a rocket had landed at the pass, it would have left a big mess over a wide area.

Perhaps, 'big mess' left by a fallen rocket's stage is an exaggeration. There are examples, when the spot, where a part of a rocket landed, looks quite innocent. This article says more about that: https://www.e1.ru/text/world/2019/02/21/65981111/

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by ilahiyol on December 05, 2025, 11:10:17 PM »

I believe that if they are still alive, we need to find the Mansi or Mansi who witnessed the incident and get them to talk. Because Mansi are involved. They are not guilty, but they may have witnessed the incident. They could shed some more light on the incident. But 66 years after the incident, it's unlikely they're still alive. Or they could be in their late 80s or 90s now.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by ilahiyol on December 05, 2025, 11:03:56 PM »

I don't know how close the Mansi were to that area(?), but the sound of their screams can carry at least 5-10 km in the mountains. And the Mansi have much better hearing than the average person. They might have heard Dubinina's scream and the two Yuris' cries from the cold. They might have come to the area and made some changes. But they hid everything because they were so afraid of being accused. It would have been very difficult for them to exonerate themselves in such a situation. The fact that the two Yuris were standing side by side is proof that they weren't directly attacked, but were brought together by someone. I think it was the Mansi.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by ilahiyol on December 05, 2025, 10:26:49 PM »

Yes, it's impossible for him to be everywhere at once. He was where he could track them. So, he wasn't very far away. First, he killed Dytlov, then Rustem, then Zina. Then the four hiding in the snow... And the two Yuris died of the cold a day or two later, or within an hour or two. They died on the fire. Then a Mansi arrived. I don't think the Mansi people frequent that place!!!! But they must have heard a loud scream. It was probably Dubinina's. The Unknown Power may have torn out her tongue to prevent her from screaming so much. And the two Yuris may have screamed from the cold. The Mansi or Mansi people who heard these sounds came to the scene. They saw the two Yuris dead on the fire. They picked them up from the fire and laid them side by side. They must have found the tent, but they didn't search it. They were afraid they would be blamed!!! And they must have placed the lantern in the tent. Then they disappeared without a trace. After all, the Mansi are experts at this.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by SURI on December 05, 2025, 09:15:42 AM »

Yes, the unknown force was everywhere, but not all at once. It was at the tent for a while, on the slope for a while, by the cedar tree for a while, and for a long time in the ravine.

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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov group's footprints on the slope, why icy?

« Last post by ilahiyol on December 05, 2025, 08:26:00 AM »

It's such a puzzle. The unknown force was not always in one place. When the hikers descended the slope, the unknown force was no longer at the tent, yet they could not all return. At that moment, the unknown force was not even in the forest, otherwise the 2 Yuris would not have sought shelter there.

The unknown force was everywhere because of its speed. I can't say exactly how fast, but it was definitely at least 20-25 km/h. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been possible for it to catch Rustem, a runner, as he was running. Rustem caught up with him as he was running and struck him in the left temple. Rustem fell face down on the ground. And I'm sure he had been watching the young people since the beginning of the march. Why did he want to kill them? That's what really concerns me.