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Maps and charts / Re: My collection of maps
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on May 27, 2022, 01:14:54 PM »

See also the nice map specially designed by WAB .
 - But I do not know how to reproduce it directly - you have to go to :

Dyatlov Pass Forum -> Factual Information -> Materials of 1959 -> Maps and charts -> Brand spanking new Google map
WAB  = Vladimir Borzenkov : April 04, 2018, 10:50:51 PM,    Reply #3
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=40.msg403#msg403

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oToltQ7trEa88Urzg74V3LNOE1_RkFvB/view
The same result with :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oToltQ7trEa88Urzg74V3LNOE1_RkFvB/view?usp=sharing
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Maps and charts / Re: My collection of maps
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on May 27, 2022, 07:48:29 AM »
From Wikipedia   : Гибель тургруппы Дятлова
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Photography / Re: Film 6 Frame 29_Who is situated near the building
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on May 27, 2022, 07:19:46 AM »
At this resolution it's really hard to tell what that is. Could be a person or a log of wood or anything.

Yes,  it is really hard to tell what that is !

But if it is a person, it does not matter for the solving of the DPI problem.

This is because Yuri Yudin wrote in his diary:
We spent the night [27 to 28 February] in the hut of the 2nd Northern settlement [North-2]. There so much - many houses, warehouses, premises, forgotten old vehicles, machine tools. Everything was abandoned since 1952. Here worked geological expedition what they could took out, the rest was exhausted and thrown. The houses are all destroyed, there is only one with a stove and glass on the windows...

In my opinion, anyone could come and inspect what was left and take away the scraps that interested him (because they could be useful).
For example, wooden planks, pieces of metal or rubber, iron bars, bolts, rusty nails, old pots and pans, etc.

Even if it was not perfectly legal, the police were not going to say anything to protect worthless debris.

It is the equivalent of salvaging the contents of garbage cans.
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Case Files / Case files vol. 1 and 2
« Last post by Teddy on May 24, 2022, 02:51:22 AM »
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Murdered / Re: A problem with homicide theories
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 23, 2022, 03:16:15 PM »
I think the snow can drift similar to desert sand . Depending on the wind strength , direction and temperature. There are reports of the exposed sides of trees having suffered peeling . If I understand it correctly it's like sand blasting. I agree with Manti that where the foot prints were found it must have been deeper at the time that the prints were made.

Depending on how the snow and wind fell
at the ravine, I believe that the snow could easily make a snow bridge . It happens in nature , the stream could still run free underneath any snow.

However, what is clear , is that there was a lot of snow at the ravine and den area. Wheather that happened before the incident or after is anyone's guess. But it does happen in nature and they can be some of the last snow to thaw. Especially if it has been hardened by compression. Again think of the snow after sliding off a roof of a house , it's stays hard on the ground. Similar to the snow left by snow ploughs at the side of the road.
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Murdered / Re: A problem with homicide theories
« Last post by Manti on May 23, 2022, 09:08:21 AM »
There is some inherent inconsistency in what we know about snow conditions:
  • The raised footprints that were found suggest that the amount of snow cover at the time of the incident was more than when the search started.
  • At the same time, the "Ravine 4" being found on rocks under meters of snow, suggests either that there was less snow when they started sheltering there, and snow cover significantly increased after the incident, or that there was a lot of snow under them and it all melted by the time they were found, in which case snow in the "ravine" area would also have shifted significantly, downstream.
  • Barely any snow on the two Yuris when found suggests that area was exposed to wind. Why would they try to light a fire there?
In fact it seems very unlikely that there would be any snow cover on the stream, let alone meters of hardened snow, let alone in May! There are several photographs they took that show streams with no snow on top, the water exposed, and that was in January. I think the commonly accepted information about where the "Ravine 4" were found must be incorrect.
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Murdered / Re: A problem with homicide theories
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 22, 2022, 02:41:15 PM »
Not a problem Jean Daniel Reuss.

My English is bad. It should read , it does not mean 'they' were washed down with 'the' water of the stream.

I agree that the word "ravine" may not be suitable or infer some large canyon. However, they were found under a large mass of snow. Reports indicate that it was hard snow.
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Murdered / Re: A problem with homicide theories
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on May 22, 2022, 07:54:25 AM »
                       Reply #76
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 it does not mean the were washed down with water of the stream. They chose a snow hole , snow bridge or cave that was already there.
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Many thanks for having corrected my unforgivable mistake.

I do apologize, I had made a huge mistake in my translation.
I now understand that you mean that they abandoned the 4 branch beds (referred to as "the Den") to voluntarily relocate a few meters downstream in order to hide in a snow cave or big hole
(referred to as "the Ravine", despite the place being located in a tiny valley and not in a canyon)
which then collapsed on them.

In summary, I had mistakenly translated :
washed down with water of the stream

by: entrained downstream and properly cleaned by the water stream (and thus without trace of radiation).
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Murdered / Re: A problem with homicide theories
« Last post by Игорь Б. on May 18, 2022, 07:35:39 PM »
Another reason might be the presence of flowing water underneath the snow. Can the presence of flowing water modify the snow which is above ?

Настил находился от тел в 11 метрах выше по течению того же ручья. Снег над настилом был мягкий (видно на фотографии):
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=64622

Снег и должен быть мягким, если не было обрушения:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=89802
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Murdered / Re: A problem with homicide theories
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 18, 2022, 06:00:50 PM »
This indicates that the snow was different from the surrounding snow. One reason this snow might have been difficult to dig is if there had been a snow collapse.

Another reason might be the presence of flowing water underneath the snow. Can the presence of flowing water modify the snow which is above ?


Perhaps......but everything is perhaps regarding this case.  4 bodies under hard snow with 2 having collapsed ribs makes sense. If it were outsiders, why not try to  hide them all? 
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