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Theories Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dominov on February 07, 2019, 07:28:23 AM
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The May search party took this pictures. They are ultra strange. There is a slope next to Otorten which has no snow and is hot? WTF? And we can see it. Have a look!
(https://i.ibb.co/s1b0KMN/brown-distance.png) (https://ibb.co/ZgGnBkF)
This is not an artefact. There should be snow... Next image shows you a zoom.
(https://i.ibb.co/8zZD9Hw/looks-brown.png) (https://ibb.co/n3JsjFy)
All four guys wondering what that is....
(https://i.ibb.co/d4cPsMN/warm-hands.png) (https://ibb.co/zV5XWx3)
And then this guy warming his hands one meter above ground.... Even in May it's still cold up there... P.S. It a slope next to Otorten, not Otorten itself.
What could have happened there? And how did people who entered this area die?
Any ideas what happened there?
Regards
Dominov
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First picture is a snow slide, you can see the banked up snow/debris field at the bottom.
Last picture is imo a joke like this -
(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/533589fbeab8ea360275da9e-1136-852.jpg)
Middle picture is more interesting but it depends on where the slope is exactly
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You are right about the first picture, Nigel. It's the only slope where snow slides are possible there, namely on this really nice crater inside Mt. Otorten. Very untypical for the Northern Ural. I have to look into this. Naked rocks on a steep round slope.... with concentrical structures at the bottom, hmmmm.
You are also right about the third picture. It could be ambigous, though. The mountain in the background is not Otorten. And the guy wasn't standing on Otorten neither. I think it's interesting that they took their time to joke while searching for dead people. These were official pictures, weren't they? But what if this wasn't a joke and the mountain in the background just happened to align with his hands?
The second picture is indeed interesting. What they saw there seemed to fascinate the four search party members and the photographer. But unfortunately I can't tell where this picture was taken.
Thanks for pointing me into the right direction.
regards
Dominov
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Addenum:
1. Otorten crater, you can see that the snow broke away on the slope with the naked rocks. These slopes are geologically unusual for this region. I mean exceptional.
(https://i.ibb.co/j8Dpq3s/otorten1.png) (https://ibb.co/GdRhGCN)
2. Naked slope shown in picture 2 above. It's located 2.5 km south of Otorten. Strange that there was no snow on it...
(https://i.ibb.co/rZ5FntC/slope-without-snow.png) (https://ibb.co/dQkjncd)
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Addenum 2:
The guy warming his hands stood on the naked slope, that by the way is an extension of Mt. Otorten. I could locate his position using GE. So is it really a joke?
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The May search party took this pictures. They are ultra strange. There is a slope next to Otorten which has no snow and is hot? WTF? And we can see it. Have a look!
(https://i.ibb.co/s1b0KMN/brown-distance.png) (https://ibb.co/ZgGnBkF)
This is not an artefact. There should be snow... Next image shows you a zoom.
(https://i.ibb.co/8zZD9Hw/looks-brown.png) (https://ibb.co/n3JsjFy)
All four guys wondering what that is....
(https://i.ibb.co/d4cPsMN/warm-hands.png) (https://ibb.co/zV5XWx3)
And then this guy warming his hands one meter above ground.... Even in May it's still cold up there... P.S. It a slope next to Otorten, not Otorten itself.
What could have happened there? And how did people who entered this area die?
Any ideas what happened there?
Regards
Dominov
Nothing strange about those photos. Shadow in the first one. And that guy is not warming his hands.
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Addenum:
1. Otorten crater, you can see that the snow broke away on the slope with the naked rocks. These slopes are geologically unusual for this region. I mean exceptional.
(https://i.ibb.co/j8Dpq3s/otorten1.png) (https://ibb.co/GdRhGCN)
2. Naked slope shown in picture 2 above. It's located 2.5 km south of Otorten. Strange that there was no snow on it...
(https://i.ibb.co/rZ5FntC/slope-without-snow.png) (https://ibb.co/dQkjncd)
Trying to amuse herself by reading, Zina focused on learning more about the Mansi, the indigenous people that live in the Urals region. She found out that their language, Mansi, is an Ugrian language of the Uralic family. She also discovered that the name of the peak Otorten was Woot-Taaratane-Syachl, which means ‘a mountain producing wind’, or more simply and neatly ‘a windy mountain.’ But other researchers said this name was associated by mistake with Peak 880. The Mansi name for Peak 1079 was Lunt-Choosup-Syachl, meaning ‘Mount Goose Nest’. There was a Mansi legend that, after the global flood, one goose survived on the peak of this mountain. What Zina tried to understand, reading the book of a native Mansi linguist, Tatiana Slinkina, was whether Otorten really meant ‘Don’t go there’, as many believed. She could not find any confirmation. There was no proof of a second legend that nine Mansi people once disappeared there. This was good to know for a member of an expedition also numbering nine. But Slinkina added some unsettling information nevertheless: ‘The Mansi always try to avoid Woot-Taaratane-Syachl and Lunt-Choosup- Syachl, especially the “gates” between them. They have considered them sacred and dangerous since ancient times.’
Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (pp. 27-28). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.
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Nothing strange about those photos. Shadow in the first one. And that guy is not warming his hands.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder ;)
No, i don't think the first one is a shadow (square shadow from inexisting cloud?).... and it isn't a snow slide / avalanche neither. No artefact neither. It fits in too seamlessly. The photographer wanted to show us Mt Ortoten AND this thing there. I could locate it. It's not in the Mt Otorten crater. (Position of photographer: peak of Kholat Siakhl)
Avalanches do not leave naked rock behind! There is always still a layer of snow. Apparently there is nothing left but rock, naked rock. Something is fishy.
regards
Dominov
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Trying to amuse herself by reading, Zina focused on learning more about the Mansi, the indigenous people that live in the Urals region. She found out that their language, Mansi, is an Ugrian language of the Uralic family. She also discovered that the name of the peak Otorten was Woot-Taaratane-Syachl, which means ‘a mountain producing wind’, or more simply and neatly ‘a windy mountain.’ But other researchers said this name was associated by mistake with Peak 880. The Mansi name for Peak 1079 was Lunt-Choosup-Syachl, meaning ‘Mount Goose Nest’. There was a Mansi legend that, after the global flood, one goose survived on the peak of this mountain. What Zina tried to understand, reading the book of a native Mansi linguist, Tatiana Slinkina, was whether Otorten really meant ‘Don’t go there’, as many believed. She could not find any confirmation. There was no proof of a second legend that nine Mansi people once disappeared there. This was good to know for a member of an expedition also numbering nine. But Slinkina added some unsettling information nevertheless: ‘The Mansi always try to avoid Woot-Taaratane-Syachl and Lunt-Choosup- Syachl, especially the “gates” between them. They have considered them sacred and dangerous since ancient times.’
Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (pp. 27-28). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.
I think that the nine Mansi were killed by a metorite impact 200 years ago. This metorite created this unusual and beautiful crater at the foot of Mt Otorten. I strongly doubt that this crater is the result of natural erosion. It's too perfect and too young. Everything in this region is smoothed and rounded by wind and weather. This crater isn't.
Speaking of sacred places: In February 1959 another group of hikers camped on a hill 75 Km further South. Unlike the Dead Mountain this was a «super sacred» Mansi Mountain. But the group returned and they all lived happily even after.
But, yes, there is something special about these mountains. I intend to find out what.
regards
Dominov
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Nothing strange about those photos. Shadow in the first one. And that guy is not warming his hands.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder ;)
No, i don't think the first one is a shadow (square shadow from inexisting cloud?).... and it isn't a snow slide / avalanche neither. No artefact neither. It fits in too seamlessly. The photographer wanted to show us Mt Ortoten AND this thing there. I could locate it. It's not in the Mt Otorten crater. (Position of photographer: peak of Kholat Siakhl)
Avalanches do not leave naked rock behind! There is always still a layer of snow. Apparently there is nothing left but rock, naked rock. Something is fishy.
regards
Dominov
Be wary of old photos and even modern ones. All sorts of tricks can be played by a camera lens etc. Or should I say on a camera lens, ever got your finger near a camera lens and seen the result on a photo. Ever taken photos in snowy conditions and seen the results etc etc.
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Trying to amuse herself by reading, Zina focused on learning more about the Mansi, the indigenous people that live in the Urals region. She found out that their language, Mansi, is an Ugrian language of the Uralic family. She also discovered that the name of the peak Otorten was Woot-Taaratane-Syachl, which means ‘a mountain producing wind’, or more simply and neatly ‘a windy mountain.’ But other researchers said this name was associated by mistake with Peak 880. The Mansi name for Peak 1079 was Lunt-Choosup-Syachl, meaning ‘Mount Goose Nest’. There was a Mansi legend that, after the global flood, one goose survived on the peak of this mountain. What Zina tried to understand, reading the book of a native Mansi linguist, Tatiana Slinkina, was whether Otorten really meant ‘Don’t go there’, as many believed. She could not find any confirmation. There was no proof of a second legend that nine Mansi people once disappeared there. This was good to know for a member of an expedition also numbering nine. But Slinkina added some unsettling information nevertheless: ‘The Mansi always try to avoid Woot-Taaratane-Syachl and Lunt-Choosup- Syachl, especially the “gates” between them. They have considered them sacred and dangerous since ancient times.’
Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (pp. 27-28). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.
I think that the nine Mansi were killed by a metorite impact 200 years ago. This metorite created this unusual and beautiful crater at the foot of Mt Otorten. I strongly doubt that this crater is the result of natural erosion. It's too perfect and too young. Everything in this region is smoothed and rounded by wind and weather. This crater isn't.
Speaking of sacred places: In February 1959 another group of hikers camped on a hill 75 Km further South. Unlike the Dead Mountain this was a «super sacred» Mansi Mountain. But the group returned and they all lived happily even after.
But, yes, there is something special about these mountains. I intend to find out what.
regards
Dominov
We are struggling to find out what happened to the Dyatlov Group 60 years ago and you think a Meteorite killed those 9 Mansi ! ? Well that would need some proving for sure.
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We are struggling to find out what happened to the Dyatlov Group 60 years ago and you think a Meteorite killed those 9 Mansi ! ? Well that would need some proving for sure.
Well, maybe all events are connected like the underground of the Ural mountains.... I can't prove it, but as far as I know the Russian government sends in a research team which also consists of geologists. For them it would be a piece of cake to prove or disprove that a meteorite impact took place at the foot of Mt Otorten. But I guess they will have more important things to do like proving the avalanche theory. No, I can't prove anything from behind my computer. But I can observe, think and reason.
Picture #1 looks flawless to me.
regards
Dominov
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Trying to amuse herself by reading, Zina focused on learning more about the Mansi, the indigenous people that live in the Urals region. She found out that their language, Mansi, is an Ugrian language of the Uralic family. She also discovered that the name of the peak Otorten was Woot-Taaratane-Syachl, which means ‘a mountain producing wind’, or more simply and neatly ‘a windy mountain.’ But other researchers said this name was associated by mistake with Peak 880. The Mansi name for Peak 1079 was Lunt-Choosup-Syachl, meaning ‘Mount Goose Nest’. There was a Mansi legend that, after the global flood, one goose survived onTrying to amuse herself by reading, Zina focused on learning more about the Mansi, the indigenous people that live in the Urals region. She found out that their language, Mansi, is an Ugrian language of the Uralic family. She also discovered that the name of the peak Otorten was Woot-Taaratane-Syachl, which means ‘a mountain producing wind’, or more simply and neatly ‘a windy mountain.’ But other researchers said this name was associated by mistake with Peak 880. The Mansi name for Peak 1079 was Lunt-Choosup-Syachl, meaning ‘Mount Goose Nest’. There was a Mansi legend that, after the global flood, one goose survived on the peak of this mountain. What Zina tried to understand, reading the book of a native Mansi linguist, Tatiana Slinkina, was whether Otorten really meant ‘Don’t go there’, as many believed. She could not find any confirmation. There was no proof of a second legend that nine Mansi people once disappeared there. This was good to know for a member of an expedition also numbering nine. But Slinkina added some unsettling information nevertheless: ‘The Mansi always try to avoid Woot-Taaratane-Syachl and Lunt-Choosup- Syachl, especially the “gates” between them. They have considered them sacred and dangerous since ancient times.’
Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (pp. 27-28). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.
I think that the nine Mansi were killed by a metorite impact 200 years ago. This metorite created this unusual and beautiful crater at the foot of Mt Otorten. I strongly doubt that this crater is the result of natural erosion. It's too perfect and too young. Everything in this region is smoothed and rounded by wind and weather. This crater isn't.
Speaking of sacred places: In February 1959 another group of hikers camped on a hill 75 Km further South. Unlike the Dead Mountain this was a «super sacred» Mansi Mountain. But the group returned and they all lived happily even after.
But, yes, there is something special about these mountains. I intend to find out what.
regards
Dominov
Wrt the 9 Mansi legend, i like the "boiled alive" component. (Imo) it fits with the Brazil human mutilation case and the microwave energy theory for it. I think all of this is some natural electro magnetic energy produced by processes that our science doesn't yet recognise or even cannot yet recognise.
Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (pp. 27-28). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.
I think that the nine Mansi were killed by a metorite impact 200 years ago. This metorite created this unusual and beautiful crater at the foot of Mt Otorten. I strongly doubt that this crater is the result of natural erosion. It's too perfect and too young. Everything in this region is smoothed and rounded by wind and weather. This crater isn't.
Speaking of sacred places: In February 1959 another group of hikers camped on a hill 75 Km further South. Unlike the Dead Mountain this was a «super sacred» Mansi Mountain. But the group returned and they all lived happily even after.
But, yes, there is something special about these mountains. I intend to find out what.
regards
Dominov
We are struggling to find out what happened to the Dyatlov Group 60 years ago and you think a Meteorite killed those 9 Mansi ! ? Well that would need some proving for sure.
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Wrt the 9 Mansi legend, i like the "boiled alive" component. (Imo) it fits with the Brazil human mutilation case and the microwave energy theory for it. I think all of this is some natural electro magnetic energy produced by processes that our science doesn't yet recognise or even cannot yet recognise.
Have you heard of the Hessdalen Lights? This Norwegian phenomenon is real, no chimera, no hoax. It was filmed on camera and can't be explained down to the present day. Balls of plasma lights flying through the air... Strange stuff.
There are some similarities with the Northern Ural region:
Hessdalen latitude: 62
Otorten latitude: 61.5
Both are mountainous regions..
I don't suggest anything ;)
regards
Dominov
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Wrt the 9 Mansi legend, i like the "boiled alive" component. (Imo) it fits with the Brazil human mutilation case and the microwave energy theory for it. I think all of this is some natural electro magnetic energy produced by processes that our science doesn't yet recognise or even cannot yet recognise.
Have you heard of the Hessdalen Lights? This Norwegian phenomenon is real, no chimera, no hoax. It was filmed on camera and can't be explained down to the present day. Balls of plasma lights flying through the air... Strange stuff.
There are some similarities with the Northern Ural region:
Hessdalen latitude: 62
Otorten latitude: 61.5
Both are mountainous regions..
I don't suggest anything ;)
regards
Dominov
Yes i've made the same connection before. The best theory imo is that of a microwave soliton from reflections between the ground and the clouds (Hassdalen is very rich in iron ore). Very similar lights have been photographed at the DP by an expedition a few years ago. I'll see if i can find the links.
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Yes i've made the same connection before. The best theory imo is that of a microwave soliton from reflections between the ground and the clouds (Hassdalen is very rich in iron ore). Very similar lights have been photographed at the DP by an expedition a few years ago. I'll see if i can find the links.
That's interesting. I hope you find the links. Thanks.
For the others who are not familiar with the Hessdalen Lights:
https://youtu.be/kU9sUqEQelU (https://youtu.be/kU9sUqEQelU)
Dominov
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Yes i've made the same connection before. The best theory imo is that of a microwave soliton from reflections between the ground and the clouds (Hassdalen is very rich in iron ore). Very similar lights have been photographed at the DP by an expedition a few years ago. I'll see if i can find the links.
That's interesting. I hope you find the links. Thanks.
For the others who are not familiar with the Hessdalen Lights:
https://youtu.be/kU9sUqEQelU (https://youtu.be/kU9sUqEQelU)
Dominov
Got it - http://www.viafanzine.jor.br/site_vf/pag/5/dyatlov_part04.htm
Drop that link into google translate. The photos of the lights are nearly at the bottom. N.B. that's part 4 so there are 3 other long.... pages to read as well :)
Enjoy.
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We are struggling to find out what happened to the Dyatlov Group 60 years ago and you think a Meteorite killed those 9 Mansi ! ? Well that would need some proving for sure.
Well, maybe all events are connected like the underground of the Ural mountains.... I can't prove it, but as far as I know the Russian government sends in a research team which also consists of geologists. For them it would be a piece of cake to prove or disprove that a meteorite impact took place at the foot of Mt Otorten. But I guess they will have more important things to do like proving the avalanche theory. No, I can't prove anything from behind my computer. But I can observe, think and reason.
Picture #1 looks flawless to me.
regards
Dominov
Well yes and it might be a meteorite that struck hundreds of years ago.
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Yes i've made the same connection before. The best theory imo is that of a microwave soliton from reflections between the ground and the clouds (Hassdalen is very rich in iron ore). Very similar lights have been photographed at the DP by an expedition a few years ago. I'll see if i can find the links.
That's interesting. I hope you find the links. Thanks.
For the others who are not familiar with the Hessdalen Lights:
https://youtu.be/kU9sUqEQelU (https://youtu.be/kU9sUqEQelU)
Dominov
Interesting Post and informative. Typical of many UFO sightings around the World over many decades and probably centuries. These kind of reports almost seem to be shouting at us that what we are seeing is not Man made and not even related to lightning in its various forms. Lightning doesnt take on a solid looking form, like a DISC or CYLINDER etc etc, or flash regularly or emit colours like this phenomenon.
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Wrt the 9 Mansi legend, i like the "boiled alive" component. (Imo) it fits with the Brazil human mutilation case and the microwave energy theory for it. I think all of this is some natural electro magnetic energy produced by processes that our science doesn't yet recognise or even cannot yet recognise.
Have you heard of the Hessdalen Lights? This Norwegian phenomenon is real, no chimera, no hoax. It was filmed on camera and can't be explained down to the present day. Balls of plasma lights flying through the air... Strange stuff.
There are some similarities with the Northern Ural region:
Hessdalen latitude: 62
Otorten latitude: 61.5
Both are mountainous regions..
I don't suggest anything ;)
regards
Dominov
Explain exactly what your definition of BALLS OF PLASMA LIGHTS is ! ?
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Wrt the 9 Mansi legend, i like the "boiled alive" component. (Imo) it fits with the Brazil human mutilation case and the microwave energy theory for it. I think all of this is some natural electro magnetic energy produced by processes that our science doesn't yet recognise or even cannot yet recognise.
Have you heard of the Hessdalen Lights? This Norwegian phenomenon is real, no chimera, no hoax. It was filmed on camera and can't be explained down to the present day. Balls of plasma lights flying through the air... Strange stuff.
There are some similarities with the Northern Ural region:
Hessdalen latitude: 62
Otorten latitude: 61.5
Both are mountainous regions..
I don't suggest anything ;)
regards
Dominov
Yes i've made the same connection before. The best theory imo is that of a microwave soliton from reflections between the ground and the clouds (Hassdalen is very rich in iron ore). Very similar lights have been photographed at the DP by an expedition a few years ago. I'll see if i can find the links.
Lots of places around the World are rich in Iron Ore but nothing unusual happens there. Why does it have to be a Microwave Soliton and not something more mundane ! ?
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Some interesting discussion.
What if the DPI was caused by a meteorite? An air burst? That would have all the ingredients similar to my low yield nuclear weapon with the advantage that it does not require a nuclear weapon?
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Some interesting discussion.
What if the DPI was caused by a meteorite? An air burst? That would have all the ingredients similar to my low yield nuclear weapon with the advantage that it does not require a nuclear weapon?
We know the original investigation wasnt great ie Search Teams wondering around all over the place because it wasnt considered a Crime Scene to begin with. And then there was the decision that made it a Crime Scene but within no time whatsoever the Case was CLOSED. One thing that doesnt appear is REPORTS of damage or DEBRIS as a result of say a METEORITE or NUCLEAR EXPLOSION etc etc. No members of the Search Teams, and there were many, reported any thing of the like. And if the Dyatlov Pass Incident had have been caused by such like then there would almost certainly be evidence of that nature. So NO METEORITE was involved.
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Some interesting discussion.
What if the DPI was caused by a meteorite? An air burst? That would have all the ingredients similar to my low yield nuclear weapon with the advantage that it does not require a nuclear weapon?
We know the original investigation wasnt great ie Search Teams wondering around all over the place because it wasnt considered a Crime Scene to begin with. And then there was the decision that made it a Crime Scene but within no time whatsoever the Case was CLOSED. One thing that doesnt appear is REPORTS of damage or DEBRIS as a result of say a METEORITE or NUCLEAR EXPLOSION etc etc. No members of the Search Teams, and there were many, reported any thing of the like. And if the Dyatlov Pass Incident had have been caused by such like then there would almost certainly be evidence of that nature. So NO METEORITE was involved.
There was a recent meteor strike in cheboninsk Russia ( probably spelled this completely wrong lol) it exploded in the air and dameged buildings on the ground, but there was no evidence of where the remaining chunk of meteor hit the ground. They eventually found a small hole in a lake. The meteorite left very little evidence. If it hadn't happened in a populated area it would have been very difficult to know it had happened. On the other hand an air burst lower and bigger could flatten hectares of trees. So it depends on the size, type, and consistency of the meteor. By the way a meteor explosion could also generate a cloud of toxic NO2.
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Some interesting discussion.
What if the DPI was caused by a meteorite? An air burst? That would have all the ingredients similar to my low yield nuclear weapon with the advantage that it does not require a nuclear weapon?
We know the original investigation wasnt great ie Search Teams wondering around all over the place because it wasnt considered a Crime Scene to begin with. And then there was the decision that made it a Crime Scene but within no time whatsoever the Case was CLOSED. One thing that doesnt appear is REPORTS of damage or DEBRIS as a result of say a METEORITE or NUCLEAR EXPLOSION etc etc. No members of the Search Teams, and there were many, reported any thing of the like. And if the Dyatlov Pass Incident had have been caused by such like then there would almost certainly be evidence of that nature. So NO METEORITE was involved.
There was a recent meteor strike in cheboninsk Russia ( probably spelled this completely wrong lol) it exploded in the air and dameged buildings on the ground, but there was no evidence of where the remaining chunk of meteor hit the ground. They eventually found a small hole in a lake. The meteorite left very little evidence. If it hadn't happened in a populated area it would have been very difficult to know it had happened. On the other hand an air burst lower and bigger could flatten hectares of trees. So it depends on the size, type, and consistency of the meteor. By the way a meteor explosion could also generate a cloud of toxic NO2.
But if it happened the way that you suggest there would be evidence of that event, and there isnt.
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Some interesting discussion.
What if the DPI was caused by a meteorite? An air burst? That would have all the ingredients similar to my low yield nuclear weapon with the advantage that it does not require a nuclear weapon?
We know the original investigation wasnt great ie Search Teams wondering around all over the place because it wasnt considered a Crime Scene to begin with. And then there was the decision that made it a Crime Scene but within no time whatsoever the Case was CLOSED. One thing that doesnt appear is REPORTS of damage or DEBRIS as a result of say a METEORITE or NUCLEAR EXPLOSION etc etc. No members of the Search Teams, and there were many, reported any thing of the like. And if the Dyatlov Pass Incident had have been caused by such like then there would almost certainly be evidence of that nature. So NO METEORITE was involved.
There was a recent meteor strike in cheboninsk Russia ( probably spelled this completely wrong lol) it exploded in the air and dameged buildings on the ground, but there was no evidence of where the remaining chunk of meteor hit the ground. They eventually found a small hole in a lake. The meteorite left very little evidence. If it hadn't happened in a populated area it would have been very difficult to know it had happened. On the other hand an air burst lower and bigger could flatten hectares of trees. So it depends on the size, type, and consistency of the meteor. By the way a meteor explosion could also generate a cloud of toxic NO2.
But if it happened the way that you suggest there would be evidence of that event, and there isnt.
No. That's what I'm saying. There wouldn't necessarily be any evidence,
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Such a meteorite causes serveral sonic booms, blasts, shockwaves. It destroys buildings, windows and so on. And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2) behind. Pretty impressive.... It explodes in the air without creating an impact crater. Also see Tunguska Meteorite.
Have a look (Tscheljabinsk Meteorite):
https://youtu.be/V5tVPMbBRvA (https://youtu.be/V5tVPMbBRvA)
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And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2)
The NO2 theory requires a microwave plasma or rocket fuel as the source.
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Exactly how many people have been killed by the Hessdalen Lights?
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Exactly how many people have been killed by the Hessdalen Lights?
Who said that Hessdalen lights killed people? I didn't. But could they? Or asked differently, could the unknown cause of such lights kill people?
Who knows.
dunno1
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Exactly how many people have been killed by the Hessdalen Lights?
We don't know because isolated deaths could be attributed to other causes. We could only know if there were survivors. It could be the case that a lot of curious fatalities are wrongly attributed to heart attacks, fatal strokes, etc etc. It will all depend on the intensity of the microwave energy :-
In ascending order of intensity :-
- people see lights in the distance
- people hearrhythmic sounds - like chains - classic component of paranormal events
- automobile electrical systems stop working
- people feel the ground shaking
- people feel heat, suffer burns.
- people suffer long term ill effects of encounter - Flatwoods monster.
- people start dying but the reasons aren't obvious and misdiagnosed as heart attacks, strokes, etc.
- people clearly die from something that is attributed to lightning strikes.
- extremely powerful cases are quite rare but exist - 9 mansi hunters being found as if boiled alive, human mutilation case in brazil etc.
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And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2)
The NO2 theory requires a microwave plasma or rocket fuel as the source.
Microwaves don't have enough energy to create NO2
Plasma - yes
Which rocket fuel were you thinking of?
Nuclear explosion - yes
Meteorite - yes
Lightning strike - yes
Chemical reactions - yes
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And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2)
The NO2 theory requires a microwave plasma or rocket fuel as the source.
Microwaves don't have enough energy to create NO2https://aip.scitation.org/doi/figure/10.1063/1.4996790
Plasma - yes
Which rocket fuel were you thinking of?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide
Nuclear explosion - yes
Meteorite - yesHow do meteorites create NO2?
Lightning strike - yesIn quantities too small to be considered here?
Chemical reactions - yesBut not relevant to the DPI?
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And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2)
The NO2 theory requires a microwave plasma or rocket fuel as the source.
Microwaves don't have enough energy to create NO2https://aip.scitation.org/doi/figure/10.1063/1.4996790
Plasma - yes
Which rocket fuel were you thinking of?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide
Nuclear explosion - yes
Meteorite - yesHow do meteorites create NO2?
Lightning strike - yesIn quantities too small to be considered here?
Chemical reactions - yesBut not relevant to the DPI?
The link is referring to a specific experiment which uses concentrated microwaves to heat up matter to very high temperatures and the matter then turns into a hot plasma, which can create NO2. It would be very difficult and close to incredible to do this naturally. Microwaves themselves dont have rhe energy. Where would the microwaves come from?
dinitrogen tetroxide makes a good oxidiser as a part of a two component system - fuel and oxidiser, and it was used by russia during DPI period. But how is the rocket fuel delivered to the area?
Anything that can create sufficiently high temperatures in the atmosphere can cause oxygen and nitrogen to react to cause nitrogen dioxide. A nuclear blast, or a meteor. They are both very high concentrated energy events.
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And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2)
The NO2 theory requires a microwave plasma or rocket fuel as the source.
Microwaves don't have enough energy to create NO2https://aip.scitation.org/doi/figure/10.1063/1.4996790 (https://aip.scitation.org/doi/figure/10.1063/1.4996790)
Plasma - yes
Which rocket fuel were you thinking of?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide)
Nuclear explosion - yes
Meteorite - yesHow do meteorites create NO2?
Lightning strike - yesIn quantities too small to be considered here?
Chemical reactions - yesBut not relevant to the DPI?
The link is referring to a specific experiment which uses concentrated microwaves to heat up matter to very high temperatures and the matter then turns into a hot plasma, which can create NO2. It would be very difficult and close to incredible to do this naturally. Maybe converging ion streams, discharging slowly instead of very rapidly as lightning, look at the Quebec object again. Note the white sections seem to be incandescent - https://www.theloop.ca/watch/news/strange/super-clear-footage-of-ufo-in-quebec-caught-on-camera/5852802017001/5852601589001 the blue/violet is probably from excited nitrogen as the electron stream converges. The "black bits" could be hot NO2.
Microwaves themselves dont have rhe energy. Where would the microwaves come from? We've touched on this before,a natural magnetron of unknown structure :). Lightning creates radio waves across the whole spectrum so the perhaps there's a natural amplifier. Yes i know it's crazy stuff. But these things exist. Unless you discount the Plane2 photo as water damage then it's extremely similar to the quebec object imo. It's easy for me to see a self illuminating object lighting up the snow storm and part of the mountain.
dinitrogen tetroxide makes a good oxidiser as a part of a two component system - fuel and oxidiser, and it was used by russia during DPI period. But how is the rocket fuel delivered to the area? Crashed rocket leaking fuel?
Anything that can create sufficiently high temperatures in the atmosphere can cause oxygen and nitrogen to react to cause nitrogen dioxide. A nuclear blast, or a meteor. They are both very high concentrated energy events. I think we need something more persistent for the DPI.
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And it leaves a trail of smoke (OMG, maybe NO2)
The NO2 theory requires a microwave plasma or rocket fuel as the source.
Microwaves don't have enough energy to create NO2https://aip.scitation.org/doi/figure/10.1063/1.4996790 (https://aip.scitation.org/doi/figure/10.1063/1.4996790)
Plasma - yes
Which rocket fuel were you thinking of?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide)
Nuclear explosion - yes
Meteorite - yesHow do meteorites create NO2?
Lightning strike - yesIn quantities too small to be considered here?
Chemical reactions - yesBut not relevant to the DPI?
The link is referring to a specific experiment which uses concentrated microwaves to heat up matter to very high temperatures and the matter then turns into a hot plasma, which can create NO2. It would be very difficult and close to incredible to do this naturally. Maybe converging ion streams, discharging slowly instead of very rapidly as lightning, look at the Quebec object again. Note the white sections seem to be incandescent - https://www.theloop.ca/watch/news/strange/super-clear-footage-of-ufo-in-quebec-caught-on-camera/5852802017001/5852601589001 the blue/violet is probably from excited nitrogen as the electron stream converges. The "black bits" could be hot NO2.
Microwaves themselves dont have rhe energy. Where would the microwaves come from? We've touched on this before,a natural magnetron of unknown structure :). Lightning creates radio waves across the whole spectrum so the perhaps there's a natural amplifier. Yes i know it's crazy stuff. But these things exist. Unless you discount the Plane2 photo as water damage then it's extremely similar to the quebec object imo. It's easy for me to see a self illuminating object lighting up the snow storm and part of the mountain.
dinitrogen tetroxide makes a good oxidiser as a part of a two component system - fuel and oxidiser, and it was used by russia during DPI period. But how is the rocket fuel delivered to the area? Crashed rocket leaking fuel?
Anything that can create sufficiently high temperatures in the atmosphere can cause oxygen and nitrogen to react to cause nitrogen dioxide. A nuclear blast, or a meteor. They are both very high concentrated energy events. I think we need something more persistent for the DPI.
Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations
Yes. You could write a book of speculations or theories on this. But there is no scientific proof. And whats more, absolutely no way of connecting it to the Dyatlov Case, without scientific proof.
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
There is nothing unusual in the geology of the area in question. Certainly nothing that could contribute to any theory of an electro magnetic nature of such force to have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident. The Authorities are supposed to be sending geologists to the area in March. But I have no doubt that the basic geology is already known.
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations)
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
There is nothing unusual in the geology of the area in question. Certainly nothing that could contribute to any theory of an electro magnetic nature of such force to have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident. The Authorities are supposed to be sending geologists to the area in March. But I have no doubt that the basic geology is already known.
Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations)
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
I think the shape of the Ural mountains and Kholat is the key here rather than the geology. Strong westerly winds have little to get in their way before hitting the Urals. The wind above 1200 metres has no obstruction at all but at Kholat the westerly ridge directs the wind at ground level straight up vertically into the higher altitude horizontal winds creating enormous turbulence. With high winds at 100mph plus in a snow storm you then have excellent conditions for constant high levels of ion production. Then in 1959 with stronger geo magnetism this ionisation creates quite a light show (probably including fire orbs and plane1 and plane2). But the important bit is the constant or possibly just regular discharging. Note it doesn't have to be cloud to ground, it could be cloud to cloud. But it's producing N2O and NO2 and nitric acid and they just camped downwind - in the wrong place at the wrong time. It may be that these gases and aerosols are ionised and attracted to the tent which is an earth point in an otherwise well insulated hillside in a metre of snow. So any of the relevant molecues that hit the tent stick to it building up levels of exposure.
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations)
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
There is nothing unusual in the geology of the area in question. Certainly nothing that could contribute to any theory of an electro magnetic nature of such force to have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident. The Authorities are supposed to be sending geologists to the area in March. But I have no doubt that the basic geology is already known.
Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations)
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
I think the shape of the Ural mountains and Kholat is the key here rather than the geology. Strong westerly winds have little to get in their way before hitting the Urals. The wind above 1200 metres has no obstruction at all but at Kholat the westerly ridge directs the wind at ground level straight up vertically into the higher altitude horizontal winds creating enormous turbulence. With high winds at 100mph plus in a snow storm you then have excellent conditions for constant high levels of ion production. Then in 1959 with stronger geo magnetism this ionisation creates quite a light show (probably including fire orbs and plane1 and plane2). But the important bit is the constant or possibly just regular discharging. Note it doesn't have to be cloud to ground, it could be cloud to cloud. But it's producing N2O and NO2 and nitric acid and they just camped downwind - in the wrong place at the wrong time. It may be that these gases and aerosols are ionised and attracted to the tent which is an earth point in an otherwise well insulated hillside in a metre of snow. So any of the relevant molecues that hit the tent stick to it building up levels of exposure.
The tent wasn't a conductor though. And even if it was it would only produce small amounts around the outside of the tent. Besides NO2 is NO2 whether it is charged or not. It would have to have been formed in high concentrations up wind. That's why I chose the Nuclear test as the source. It creates a large toxic cloud of NO2 that would collapse quickly due to the extreme cold conditions. It also provides a reason why the authorities would request radiation checks to be carried out. That doesn't mean my option is right either, because it requires a nuclear test. If it was NO2 then we are looking for a very high energy event capable of creating a significant concentration of NO2.
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Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations)
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
There is nothing unusual in the geology of the area in question. Certainly nothing that could contribute to any theory of an electro magnetic nature of such force to have been responsible for the Dyatlov Incident. The Authorities are supposed to be sending geologists to the area in March. But I have no doubt that the basic geology is already known.
Natural Magnaton? Yes a neutron star would probably be required?
Ion discharge is a possible answer but how?
Rocket crash is likely to result in fuel and oxidising agent mixing and therefore explosion
So the only remotely credible one you list is the ion flux.
I'd add a natural cross field amplifier to the list, i've got a theory but i'd like to consider it more first.
Here's some others - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Proposed_scientific_explanations)
The ion flux option would require a significant conductor or more likely a very large number of multiple conductors. If there were significant veins of reduced metals in the geology of the area close to the surface then it may be possible for charged air to set up an electrical discharge of ions and produce ozone and NO2. This would certainly create a spectacular light show in the sky ( St Elmos fire on a larger scale). But not ure if it could create a high enough concentration of NO2 to be a significant hazard. Also, the topography of the mountain might not support it. Saying that it would explain the sightings of weird lights around the area by the Mansi.
I think the shape of the Ural mountains and Kholat is the key here rather than the geology. Strong westerly winds have little to get in their way before hitting the Urals. The wind above 1200 metres has no obstruction at all but at Kholat the westerly ridge directs the wind at ground level straight up vertically into the higher altitude horizontal winds creating enormous turbulence. With high winds at 100mph plus in a snow storm you then have excellent conditions for constant high levels of ion production. Then in 1959 with stronger geo magnetism this ionisation creates quite a light show (probably including fire orbs and plane1 and plane2). But the important bit is the constant or possibly just regular discharging. Note it doesn't have to be cloud to ground, it could be cloud to cloud. But it's producing N2O and NO2 and nitric acid and they just camped downwind - in the wrong place at the wrong time. It may be that these gases and aerosols are ionised and attracted to the tent which is an earth point in an otherwise well insulated hillside in a metre of snow. So any of the relevant molecues that hit the tent stick to it building up levels of exposure.
The tent wasn't a conductor though. And even if it was it would only produce small amounts around the outside of the tent. Besides NO2 is NO2 whether it is charged or not. It would have to have been formed in high concentrations up wind. That's why I chose the Nuclear test as the source. It creates a large toxic cloud of NO2 that would collapse quickly due to the extreme cold conditions. It also provides a reason why the authorities would request radiation checks to be carried out. That doesn't mean my option is right either, because it requires a nuclear test. If it was NO2 then we are looking for a very high energy event capable of creating a significant concentration of NO2.
Re Tent as a potential conductor of electricity. Any METAL POLES ! ? Electricity likes METAL CONDUCTORS.