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Logical analysis of tent cuts

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Ziljoe:
I would agree with Osi and Glennm on certain conclusions.

It is quite possible that the day before there was build up of snow above the tent on a hard layer of snow. With wind and perhaps more snow , it was enough to simulate an avalanche in the hikers mind .

An attempt at cutting from the inside of a half collapsed tent fits with what was reported about "some" of the tent cuts . The three cuts reported that were cut from the inside seem to relate to being horizontal, and these three cuts may have been one or two actual cuts and not three separate cuts as the later vertical cuts seem to be done afterwards by the searchers. If I remember correctly, there were other attempts at cuts from the inside but they did not penetrate, this also lends itself to an attempt to cut but not being able to get enough purchase or tension on the fabric.

I believe that they couldn't regain anything more from the tent with their concern that they could make things worse or bring down more snow on top of them. Everything to survive the night would be in the forest , wood , shelter and water , plus they had matches.

I'm cautious about the fact that Rustems hat was never blown off his head , it seems that he wore his hat in this style , half on his head, that to me suggests a lack of strong wind, if there had been strong storm winds I would have thought it would have been blown off? .

Also , it would seem they never finished erecting the tent properly for strong winds , or , they had survived the night and had done the first part of dismantling it for the new day. The reason I say this is because there's nothing to support the ridge in the middle . A temporary ski pole might help but I don't think it would be ideal in strong winds and that slope is exposed to strong winds . When setting the tent up for the night , you prepare for the worst case scenario, you don't wait for it to happen then try to deal with it . The case files mention the skis found at the entrance, but they can't of been sticking up as it's the small peak of the tent that's spotted and no mention of seeing standing skis . This bothers me a bit because it may mean the tent has not been set up fully with the skis supporting the ridge. I'm sure there's a statement saying the were lying at the entrance .

I think the ceder was primarily used for its resources of wood , for burning , shelter and insulation. The broken higher branches were green and thrown to the ground for the hikers to sit on as the sat/stood around the fire .

I do suspect they got wet at the ravine and we're trying to dry themselves or feet/socks.The slit in the tree as being a look out is just pure speculation by one of the searchers .

GlennM:
Using the Sudoku analogy supposes one important thing. It supposes all steps are based on logic. This logic may be inductive ( a good guess) or deductive ( only reasonable choice). Sudoku can not be mastered by illogical, non sensical moves.

The DPI has the same challenge. We investigate by putting ourselves mentally in those situations for insight. Many feel that the incident was survivable if sensible procedures were followed. Others imagine incidents where someone within the group acted irrationally. The irrational behavior can not be ascertained with certainty from the case files. If the collapse of the expedition is owing to some sort of insanity, it can not be proven. Do the dead show the result of berserker behavior?

Ziljoe makes a good point about the need for a robust tent setup. The tent`s center should be supported by ropes strung on trees. Ski poles are a poor substitute.  With this in mind, it is understandable that cutting a ledge into a snow bank has utility. It allows them to set at least one upslope ski pole high enough to support the mid section. But, the down slope roped ski pole is at a poor angle. If this kind of external support can not be achieved, then an internal center pole is the alternative. In my opinion, that construction would be more likely to fall in high wind.

Arjan:
Thank you GlennM, for your reply.

The photo below - made by the search party - shows (proves?) that the re-erected tent on one ski (broken?) pole had been standing as emergency bivac nearly one month later.

Thank you Ziljoe, for your reply.

A few days ago I had failed to upload a 50 pages pdf-file including a full timeline for the last two days of the Dyatlov group that - as far as I am aware - resembles all details as found by both search parties.
Of course, under the presumption that these details had not been manipulated to disguise any sensitive details.

With exceptions: While evaluating details on photos printed from the 6 cameras, and details included in the diaries, I always take into account that manipulation may have taken place, with the photos of the departure/farewell of Yuri Yudin as example. The photos of the digging in the snow for making room for the tent shows way to many skis without any bindings.

In this pdf-file that I have tried to upload, 'Annex 1 Weather' concludes:
'There had been a moderate wind. Probably there was no snow storm'.

With two footnotes:
 30, See: https://dyatlovpass.com/investigation-materials-2?rbid=18461
 31, See: https://dyatlovpass.com/burmantovo-weather-february-1959

Coming back on the snow, let's look at this photo taken by the first search party:



Looking into the direction of the ravine/cedar, hardly any snow is visible on the rocks.


In case a pressure wave would hit this stone bands, the snow would melt and would freeze again, causing an icy surface on this surface.
If so, no surprise in the blast theory the group members descending over this icy surface would have walked on socks to have a better grip on the icy surface.

In the description of this theory, I have taken into account, that in literature on mountaineering accidents, rescuers do their utmost - even risk of sacrificing their own lifes - so save wounded companions.
 

GlennM:
Your PDF is still unavailabke?

Arjan:
Of course, yes it is.

Unfortunately I was not able to upload it three days ago to this forum.

Personally I think there is something in it for all who investigate this case, like:
-  'Annex 5 Hypothermia - A Time' that I have included in a post several weeks ago.
- two explanations for a missing tongue that meets human behaviour and logic:
1. 'in the manner of traitors to the Resistance in World War Two' as decribed in 'A treachery of Spies' by Manda Scott p. 5 and Back Cover, with a Biography of three pages at the end,
2. 'Emergency surgery' in order to remove the tongue that blocked the trachea of Lyudmila for breathing. Based on the descriptions of the group members, Yuri Dor and Yuri Kri may well have had the nerves to do so.
As far as I know there are no details found that hint on the first explanation, so I think that the second explanation resembles the details as best. But some of us investigation external or internal human violence may be interested in the first option.

 
Do you know a way to share this pdf with the Forum?

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