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Being able to walk 1 mile with fatal trauma

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Osi:
We can read from the photographs that Semyon, Lyutmila, Tibo and Rüstem strengthened their bonds of friendship. I think the same sincerity is experienced in tent sharing. At the northeastern end of the tent; I assume that Yuri 1, Yuri 2, Zina, Dyatlov and Kolovetov got into a sleeping position with their formation, Liyutmila, Semyon, Tibo and Rustem got into a sitting position at the exit of the tent, they would soon get ready to go into a sleeping position, and Rustem even took off one of his shoes. Although I have repeatedly argued that the injuries of the last 4 were related to the collapse or fall in the valley (no one can go that far with these injuries, (I am convinced by those who argue that he cannot)) I have a strong feeling that May 4th met his fatal fate in the tent. I can be convinced that several people were carried into the forest, willingly or  unwillingly, by their friends, even if they were mortally traumatized. I can be convinced that Zolo and Tibo were resilient enough to leave footprints when being carried. did they walk calmly and without falling apart? To answer the question: We assume that the environment is dark and the terrain is rough and slippery. To add one more important reason; of the injured; We can assume that it was carried by 2 or a single person with their arms on their shoulders. If it is necessary to make a match; The semi-conscious Liyutmila was being shouldered by one person. There are no footprints. Tibo could walk with the help of 2 people until he reached the cedar. Zolotaryov was walking with the support of 1 person and leaving footprints. Only two people move freely and lead the way into the forest. Then they join the group to help. The first thing is to identify a snow cave. Cedar and fire are gone for now. Tibo, who is completely unconscious, is laid in the innermost part of the cave where May 4 is located. Zolotaryov is next to him. Since Lyutmila shows signs of life, he is laid at the entrance of the cave for easier first aid. This cave, which is on a water bed, does not give any confidence and they feel the need to build a more modern house a little further into the cave. 2 yuri donate their clothes to Lyutmila and the house, confident that they can light a fire. Zina and Dyatlov move to the tent to replenish the inadequate equipment. 2 After Yuri dies, Kolovatov returns to the cave, lies down next to Tibo in the innermost part, and falls asleep, dreaming of reaching the morning. Rustam; After everyone quiets down, they head towards the hillside.

GlennM:
I believe you are advancing the idea that the serious injuries happened at the tent. If this is so, I would expect to see evidence of the objects that did the damage. I would expect the trail of footprints to show dragging. It seems natural to me to expect a sling or drag cloth would be used to evacuate the injured. The tent canvas was a ready resource.

I support the idea that they were compelled to leave the tent. I think a snow slide and the fear of a greater slide compelled them to shelter in the woods overnight. Once there, I like the idea that they found the ravine and attempted to make shelter, but failed at it.

Osi:
Dp group; I think they came together when faced with an overwhelming force that they could not overcome. It is an inconsistency that, as a result of possibilities such as rocket explosion, rocket gas, alien attack, some people receive the same type of injuries while others show no signs of injury. Human-made and alien-made things do not choose men. It is consistent with the crushing power of a plate that less-clothed people are least affected by the damage of a striking plate if they lie down to sleep, while those who are better insulated suffer more damage. Since they were standing and sitting, they could not escape the crushing force. It was previously said that the sliding plate was blown away and lost.

Arjan:
Thought experiment
The kind of thought experiment Einstein had with Bohr on Quantum Mechanics in the 20s of last century.

Let's assume that no outsiders have entered and/or manipulated the scenery as found by both search parties
Let's assume that the autopsy reports and the photos made in the mortuary and by both search parties are genuine.
Let's assume that the opinion of experts stating that Lyudmila had been able 15 minutes or less, after she had been fatally injured.

As a consequence of these three assumption, it is highly likely that:
- Lyudmila had not been able to walk any distance at all (if any steps at all!), she may well have lost consciousness for the last time by the medical shock resulting from trauma.
- Lyudmila had died on - or near - the place where she had been found by the second search party in May

Secundaire details supporting these consequences are:
- the footprint near the tent don't show any sign of a wounded person being carried by other group members.

Based on these three assumptions, I am pretty certain that Lyudmila had seen the last time in her life:
- the stream wherein she had found lying by the second search party

GlennM:
The issue is whether she and Zolo received crushed ribs prior to death or after. If prior, then what cause? There is no evidence of a blast radius. There is no evidence of cornice collapse, there is no evidence of a treefall, there is no evidence of physical combat. There is no evidence either body was posed.

Lyuda's posture indicates exhaustion or diffuculty in breathing. In her case, one does not find relief being immersed in flowing water. That is for burns! Further, we do not know if she climbed up or slid down to that final posture.

On the other hand, if Lyuda's and Zolo's injuries are owing to the crush of months of snow, then it is a miracle the other two in the ravine were spared similar bone injuries. It seems more likely they , Lyuda and Zolo were together. That also suggests they were alive when injured.

 If they all were sheltered in the ravine when Zolo and Lyuda got hurt, the humane response from others would be to rescue and  treat both of them by propping them up or laying each on a pallet as the rescuers instincts dictated.

Circling back to the causes, what is clear to me is there is no residual trace for the cause of the crushing injuries. Therefore, the cause must be transient. Of all the elements present, water in the form of snow is most abundant. An embankment provided elevation. I am going to support the idea of a collapsed cornice injuring those two who may have first ventured out alone to find shelter from the wind.

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