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Book "1079"
Ziljoe:
--- Quote from: ahabmyth on May 22, 2025, 01:41:27 AM ---The theory about a tree causing the injuries can be thrown out of the window I think.
From what I have seen there is'nt any tree around at this elevation. Probably looking at 1klm from the top before any scrub like trees are found.
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I think you might have miss understood teddy's book and explanation.
Teddy proposes that the hickers followed their original route . They did not pitch their tent on the slope where it was later found.That is ,they went over the pass which is to the east of boot rock. They got to the ceder with skis and their tent and this is where they pitched the tent . The tent is designed to be hung between two trees .
Where the two Yuri's were found, next to the ceder there is another large ceder that had fallen. From checking the growth rings, teddy found that the tree fell in 1958-59 but did not have a full growth ring for 1959 . Plus the tree can be seen on the ground in the 1959 search photos in late February.
Coincidence,perhaps..... but there is more to it and it will take a bit of reading to understand which is worth the investment.
bertie:
Ahabmyth, why on earth are you posting in the book thread, when you have no idea what this book is about?
Go and find something more constructive to do.
GlennM:
Bertie, perhaps you could, in a nutshell explain to our forum friend the two theories regarding the tent ?
ahabmyth:
So I gather the main gist of this topic is the fact that the tent was not on the mountain but in the treeline and that authorities had moved the tent up to the mountain level that we see in "most" of photographic evidence. And that the tent being specifically made to be hung between two trees with the assumption that the Cedar and the Fallen Cedar were the trees used to facilitate the erection of the tent.This would also demand that the task of erecting the tent meant that practically all of the 9 were there, when a small contingent of 4 was tasked with finding more firewood the concept of them all falling in the ravine without being heard dosnt make sense as the Cedar and the rest of the group were found only 260ft away and screams for help would easily be heard. Again this would indicate that the rest of the group had already set off up the mountain leaving the 2 too keep the fire going (without fuel) possibly hearing screams for help but being unable to help due to the cold.
Not being as familiar with this subject as many others I need to fire some questions at you.1.Have the roots of the fallen tree been found to be near enough for the other end of the tent to be supported.ie more than 9-10mtrs between them.
2. Was the heater still in its box and unused on the fateful night.
3.What could have been the excuse for not having a bigger fire if all the hikers had made it to this spot.
4. What would be the reason for climbing the tree and snapping off branches for the fire when they had 7 others looking for fuel (speaking of which ,unless already drunk the Vodka would have been great for starting a fire ).
5.Why were not many more footprints ie compacted snow found around the Cedar and treed areas.
6.Why were the bodies of the three found going up the mountain.( Zina actually made it through the rocky area )and maybe had the flashlight that was found in sight.
7.Why was Igor the most experienced in the group in the 3 found going up the mountain. Whatever the reason he lacked the skill to keep up with the other 2 (although I suppose he was tired after carrying the tent maybe).
8. OK I havnt read the book which may have answered many of these questions ( I am not a book person ) and I must congratulate all of you for not divulging what was a probably good theory of what happened.
9. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE - It is mentioned and seen that many times these types of tent are erected using skis. Now unless the ground is really soft you wouldnt have a cat in hells chance of penetrating the soil and holding them firm enough with snow wouldnt IMHO be possible so how do they do it. Small tent maybe but this tent was 4mtrs long, and I know IGOR wanted to test something for erecting ( I love this word). But may have given this a miss due to the harshness of the weather.
11.I cant get my head around this tree theory. Thinking ok the last slice of the fallen tree was rotten, but in 1959 it would have had a lot more normal wood inside (its been 60 years). However the snapping of the roots and indeed the tree itself if it is still attached the roots would have made a terrifying noise which certainly would have inspired concern in the tent even over the sounds of the howling gale. But again was the damage done to the hikers enough to warrant them leaving what was left of the tent.
12. Anybody know if the rope of the tent snapped or ripped off the attaching eyelets. Ok enough for now. cry2 cry2 cry2 .
GlennM:
Ahabmyth, congratulations on making a brief summary of the 1079 theory. Every one of your numbered questions has been addresses in the forum at sometime or another. The important difference is that in Teddy's 1079 theory, the unknown compelling force is the treefall. Alternately, on the slope where the tent was discovered, the unknown compelling force is unidentified and an open question.
One would expect that a fallen tree would leave evidence upon the tent, and those injured inside would leave evidence upon the tent inside.There is nothing in the case files to suggest a tree fell on the tent, nor blood stains within the tent. The tent was kept for a long time before being discarded. In all that time, no one pursued that line of inquiry and looked form supporting evidence.
There is also a question about crushed material items not being found.
In either situation, slope or woods, there are actions you would expect reasonable people to do. In each case, there is nothing we can point to that says, " because of this one partical truth, be it a person, place or thing, the tragedy had to have happened this certain way". This is why sometimes we take the grand view and other times we pick nits. Do not dispair, the Jack the Ripper mystery is older.
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