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March 26, 2023, 08:12:19 AM
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amashilu

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If this has been discussed before, I haven't seen it, although I'm sure it must have been. If you know where such a discussion took place, I'd appreciate a link.

Also, are you aware of any other photos of the tent as it was when it was discovered, besides this one?

Okay, question:  Why is the snow on top of the tent so "choppy and bunchy," for lack of a better word? It does not look like snow that has fallen, blown by the wind, or otherwise come down or settled naturally. The snow everywhere else is smooth and drifted. See pictures.

Statement from Maslennikov about the tent before the search team started digging: "The snow was not much, only drifted by the blizzards in the period of February."

"The north part was covered with 15-20 cm of snow. It was concluded from general appearance and density that it was not a result of an avalanche but blown by the wind." (dyatlovpass.com/1959-search?flip=1#the-tent)

Snow that is blown by the wind does not look like this.



This of course can't be snow that was shoveled by rescuers or searchers because they would not put snow on top of the tent.

Here is a photo of snow that fell or blew naturally the same day: (I know it is under the cedar, where there are more obstacles to depth, but then I am only talking about the nature of natural snow vs. hard bunchy choppy snow.


 
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March 26, 2023, 08:55:58 AM
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If I was looking at the photo and not knowing the background, I would say it looks like somebody had dug up and thrown a load of snow on top of the tent. 
 
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March 26, 2023, 09:42:25 AM
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That's what it looks like to me also. That's pretty much what my own snow pile looks like after I've shoveled the driveway!

Possibly some of the people who discovered the tent took ice axes and shovels and beat the snow on top of the tent, in order to break it up into chunks and make it easier to remove? Again though, that seems reckless and uncaring of what might still be within.
 
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March 26, 2023, 10:06:58 AM
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Great observation. I hadn't previously noticed that part. The snow on the tent appears to have been deliberately placed, rather than being the result of natural forces like wind or snowfall. One possibility is that the tent was relocated to its current position at the last minute, and snow was added to the top to make it look like it had been there all along. However, it's worth noting that this theory raises questions, as moving the tent would have required a significant amount of effort given that all of the group's belongings were inside.

Another possibility is that someone used the tent multiple times and removed the snow while using it to prevent it from getting too cold. Later, when it was time to leave and stage the scene for the search team, the person added snow to the tent to make it appear as though it had been covered by natural forces.
 

March 27, 2023, 09:35:55 AM
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One of many reasons I believe the tent was planted there to be found as part of the cover up is exactly that. the snow looks like it was  shoveled onto the tent. nothing natural about that
 
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March 27, 2023, 01:12:52 PM
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The tent was found on the 26th/27th of February. Those that found it say they dug the firm snow off the tent, they found , depending on which statement , things in various states.

The photo of the lumpy snow is at least a day, if not 2 days after the discovery of the tent on the 28th. After the inside of the tent of the tent had been looked at. (Here we can speculate who cut what and how they broke up the firm snow) .

We must also remember that it's 3 weeks after the night that the dp9 died. Within these three weeks, snow would have fallen or been blowed.

To summarize, the snow on top of that tent has already been broken up, the day before. There is also the possibility that those that first dug up the tent on the 26/27th , threw some snow back on the tent in case of wind.

What we see in the photo is after the discovery , not the moment of discovery.

@tenne , there are lots of real life experiments, use russian language in your searchs.
 
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March 27, 2023, 04:25:51 PM
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The tent was found on the 26th/27th of February. Those that found it say they dug the firm snow off the tent, they found , depending on which statement , things in various states.

The photo of the lumpy snow is at least a day, if not 2 days after the discovery of the tent on the 28th. After the inside of the tent of the tent had been looked at. (Here we can speculate who cut what and how they broke up the firm snow) .

We must also remember that it's 3 weeks after the night that the dp9 died. Within these three weeks, snow would have fallen or been blowed.

To summarize, the snow on top of that tent has already been broken up, the day before. There is also the possibility that those that first dug up the tent on the 26/27th , threw some snow back on the tent in case of wind.

What we see in the photo is after the discovery , not the moment of discovery.

@tenne , there are lots of real life experiments, use russian language in your searchs.

I meant on this forum, where people who have never done anything even close to what the 9 were doing pretend to know what they are talking about
 

March 27, 2023, 05:19:04 PM
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The tent was found on the 26th/27th of February. Those that found it say they dug the firm snow off the tent, they found , depending on which statement , things in various states.

The photo of the lumpy snow is at least a day, if not 2 days after the discovery of the tent on the 28th. After the inside of the tent of the tent had been looked at. (Here we can speculate who cut what and how they broke up the firm snow) .

We must also remember that it's 3 weeks after the night that the dp9 died. Within these three weeks, snow would have fallen or been blowed.

To summarize, the snow on top of that tent has already been broken up, the day before. There is also the possibility that those that first dug up the tent on the 26/27th , threw some snow back on the tent in case of wind.

What we see in the photo is after the discovery , not the moment of discovery.

@tenne , there are lots of real life experiments, use russian language in your searchs.

I meant on this forum, where people who have never done anything even close to what the 9 were doing pretend to know what they are talking about

Who on this forum is pretending to know what they are talking about?
 

March 27, 2023, 08:52:09 PM
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Эксперимент Алексеенкова. Палатка при ветре за 1 сутки с 9 на 10 февраля. Можно представить, что будет  с ветхой палаткой за месяц трепания на ветру..
Alyeksyeyenkov experiment from February 9 to 10. Tent in the wind for 1 day. Can you imagine what will happen to the tent in a month.
 

March 28, 2023, 04:11:24 AM
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amashilu

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Good video, Anna. That snow does look like you would expect wind-blown snow to look.
 

March 28, 2023, 04:43:09 AM
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Ziljoe


The tent was found on the 26th.


 This photo is the 28th of February.


This photo shows snow dug up from around Rustem.



They had dug snow from the tent the days before the photo of the 28th and entered it. So the photo does not represent the tent as it was found , it shows the tent after 2 days of searchers ......searching .

I would speculate that the snow had been taken off or broken off(we can see the same effect of snow on rustems photo) . Then loosely thrown back on top on the night of the 27th to weigh down the tent for the night in case of wind. The photo of the 28th looks to be before midday, if I understand the orientation and shadows correctly, at least 4 of the hikers have been found by the time of this photo. A lot of work had been done. It would never look like fresh blown snow.

 

March 28, 2023, 04:47:42 AM
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That's what it looks like to me also. That's pretty much what my own snow pile looks like after I've shoveled the driveway!

Possibly some of the people who discovered the tent took ice axes and shovels and beat the snow on top of the tent, in order to break it up into chunks and make it easier to remove? Again though, that seems reckless and uncaring of what might still be within.

It is reported that they took an ice axe and skis to enter the tent, from the top. They had to check for bodies in the tent on the 26th . The snow was reported as firn.
 
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March 29, 2023, 06:13:50 AM
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They had to check for bodies in the tent on the 26th . The snow was reported as firn.
Чтоб проверить наличие тел в палатке не обязательно было рубить палатку ледорубом.. Вход был открыт. У меня есть подозрение, что разрубить палатку - это было задание свыше. Иначе объяснить нельзя. И сам Шаравин не дает по этому поводу никаких объяснений.
To check the presence of bodies in the tent, it was not necessary to chop the tent with an ice pick.. The entrance was open. I have a suspicion that cutting the tent was a task from above. There is no other way to explain it. And Sharavin himself does not give any explanations about this.
 
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March 29, 2023, 09:25:21 AM
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They had to check for bodies in the tent on the 26th . The snow was reported as firn.
Чтоб проверить наличие тел в палатке не обязательно было рубить палатку ледорубом.. Вход был открыт. У меня есть подозрение, что разрубить палатку - это было задание свыше. Иначе объяснить нельзя. И сам Шаравин не дает по этому поводу никаких объяснений.
To check the presence of bodies in the tent, it was not necessary to chop the tent with an ice pick.. The entrance was open. I have a suspicion that cutting the tent was a task from above. There is no other way to explain it. And Sharavin himself does not give any explanations about this.

Sharavin says a number of things that may contradict , however , regarding the snow on the tent, both Sharavin and Slobtsov , who discover the tent on the 26th of February say that there was hard snow on the tent. That they entered the tent and not from the entrance.

The entrance was blocked ,as we can see in the photos and as reported, 3/4 collapsed by the snow which was hard. It is not practical to  enter a collapsed tent to Search for potential bodies , if not for the basic compromise of being on one's hands and knees to come face to face , or place ones hand on a dead person. Below is some of Sharavin and Slobtsov recollections.




In the following interview (MSh) is Sharavin.
 

https://dyatlovpass.com/sharavin-1

Quotes below.
 
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YK: In addition, our UPI specialists assumed that there could be neutron radiation, i.e. neutron weapon testing is basically the same factors. Then we must assume that they were all already taken out of the tent. Cut and taken out. Here Korotaev even says that it is cut from the inside.

MSh: The fact that [the tent] was cut from inside we could see even before the [official] examination, while taking the tent apart.

YK: You take a knife stick and pull towards you...

MSh: Outside, it would have been thrust once and dragged, and there were several attempts, several cuts from the inside, such weak punctures in the tent fabric were observed and then only a cut. We found this when examining the section still in place, and then the examination confirmed this. This this is not a gap, so it goes obliquely of the fibers, and the gap is either vertically or horizontally, where it is weaker there. We cut down part of the tent with an ice ax, i.e. we cut from the top through the bottom. We did damage, you could say it was necessary .. we had to find out if there was somebody inside, but I think that it could be done differently, it wasn't necessary to cut the tent. We could remove the snow. By the way this was done before the footprints were found. After we cut down the tent, they began to inspect and saw the tracks of footprints.

AK: And you got into the tent through your hole or?

MSh: Yes, through your own, not through the entrance. We didn't even try to go through the entrance.

YK: There [the entrance], all the more, was covered with a sheet.

MSh: Maybe we would have behaved differently if the ice axe was not perched there at the entrance, the tent was encapsulated with firn snow, we saw the ax, we needed to get inside the tent, of course, we grabbed an ice axe and started chopping. We did not have an ax or even a knife. Because we carried nothing but dry rations.

YK: So on the surface [of the tent] that is drawn there in the case, part of it are your holes?

MSh: Yes of course. There are two slots obliquely and down, these holes were made with a knife, but on the ridge of the tent, in the center, for example, there is another big hole - we cut it. There, there’s still some sort of lost flap, this is what inflicted...

AK: There was no snow inside the tent?

MSh: Yes, there was no snow.

AK: Despite the holes and the wind?

MSh: The cut was on the leeward side, and so it fell, as it were, on the holes...



From SLOBTSOV WITNESS TESTIMONY sheet 298
https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300

The tent of Dyatlov group was discovered by our group on the afternoon of February 26, 1959.
When we approached the tent, they found out: the entrance of the tent came from under the snow, and the rest of the tent was under snow. Around the tent in the snow stood ski poles and spare skis - 1 pair. The snow on the tent was 15-20 cm thick, it was clear that the snow was fluffy on top of the tent, it was hard. ( the snow was accumulated by the wind on top of the tent, and then hardened by the cold into a crust - ed. note).

Near the entrance of the tent on the snow
an ice ax was stuck, on the canvas of the tent, in the snow lay a pocket flashlight, Chinese make, which, as it was subsequently established, belonged to Dyatlov. It was strange that while there was a layer of snow let say 5-10 cm thick under the flashlight, there was no snow on top of it, and it was snowed slightly on either side. I took the flashlight first and found that it was not turned on. When I turned on it lit. I did not notice that day, but then I heard from other people involved in the search that there was a trace of urine in the snow near the tent.
In the immediate vicinity of the tent there were no footprints. Approximately 15-20 m from the tent in the direction where the bodies were subsequently discovered, footprints of the people's feet coming from the tent were visible on the snow, and it was evident that the tracks were left by the feet of a person without shoes in felt boots (valenki). The tracks protruded above the surrounding surface of the snow, for near the tracks the snow was blown out by the wind.
From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered. I do not remember and did not pay attention to how many people were the footprints from, but it should be noted that the tracks were initially together, next to each other, and the distant tracks diverged, but now I don't remember how they parted.
On February 26, 1959, we removed the snow from over the tent and made sure that there were no people inside, and we didn't touch the items that were in the tent. I was with student Sharavin. The items were taken out of the tent on February 27 and 28, 1959, when student Brusnitsyn and other searchers were present.

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When on 26.2.59 I looked in the tent I saw the following: the tent itself was torn, there was food in a bucket near the entrance, there was a liquid in a flask - alcohol or vodka, there were food supplies in bags at the feet, the blankets were unfolded, under the blankets spread out were quilted jackets, storm jackets, and under them backpacks were laid on the floor. At the entrance hung Slobodin's jacket, in whose breast pocket were found about 800 rubles. In the tent, apparently, a sheet was hung, which was torn and part of it protruded outward.
 
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Ziljoe writes:
The tent was found on the 26th.

This photo is the 28th of February.


Captain Chernyshev was interviewed by Lev Ivanov on March 11, 1959. He says:

In my group were: Captain Vlasov, Petty Officer Sidorov, Staff Sergeant Verhovskiy and a civilian Yablonsky. For all these comrades this wasn't their first time in the forest, they are all hunters and trackers. We took food supplies for 7 days.

The group task was to find traces of Dyatlov group. ... In the upper Vishera we were supposed to meet with Slobtsov group.

We flew out on 26.II-59 and landed in a designated area of the route. On the second day ( 27.II-59) a canister was dropped from a plane with change of plan. The information inside was that Dyatlov tent and two bodies were found in the area of the height "1079". We were given instructions to move towards heights "1079" and "880", we were 25 km from there. We didn't see any tracks the the area where we were dropped.

Approximately 4 pm on 27.II the helicopter found us, we boarded and landed in the area where Dyatlov tent was. There was a group of tents already Slobtsov, Karelin, as well as Maslennikov.
On this day Moiseev with dogs went out on a search and found the bodies of Kolmogorova and Dyatlov.

On the second day (28.II.59) were dispatched search groups, and I went with prosecutor Tempalov and up to 10 people to start the excavation of the tent.

The tent was found on the slope of the height "1079", 100-150 m north-east from the top. At first glance, the tent seemed snowbound, but when we looked at it closer, we saw that the tent entrance was supported by the central peg and was well fortified with ropes. The other edge were also kept at their poles, but because the middle of the tent was piled up with snow, and the slopes of the tents on the windward side were severely damaged, the edge had fallen and was under the snow.

It was impossible to get into the tent, as all of it was covered with snow, and the layout of the items inside was revealed only after digging it up. The tent was set properly. The snow was trampled, on the snow were lying the skis with their sliding surface up, on top of them was the floor of the tent. At the very bottom of the tent were laid jackets (on the side of the slope), empty backpacks were spread on the bottom. At the same side of the tent (the slope) each lay their

Captain Chernyshev, March 11, 1959, interviewed by Ivanov
 

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Ziljoe writes:
The tent was found on the 26th.

This photo is the 28th of February.


Captain Chernyshev was interviewed by Lev Ivanov on March 11, 1959. He says:

In my group were: Captain Vlasov, Petty Officer Sidorov, Staff Sergeant Verhovskiy and a civilian Yablonsky. For all these comrades this wasn't their first time in the forest, they are all hunters and trackers. We took food supplies for 7 days.

The group task was to find traces of Dyatlov group. ... In the upper Vishera we were supposed to meet with Slobtsov group.

We flew out on 26.II-59 and landed in a designated area of the route. On the second day ( 27.II-59) a canister was dropped from a plane with change of plan. The information inside was that Dyatlov tent and two bodies were found in the area of the height "1079". We were given instructions to move towards heights "1079" and "880", we were 25 km from there. We didn't see any tracks the the area where we were dropped.

Approximately 4 pm on 27.II the helicopter found us, we boarded and landed in the area where Dyatlov tent was. There was a group of tents already Slobtsov, Karelin, as well as Maslennikov.
On this day Moiseev with dogs went out on a search and found the bodies of Kolmogorova and Dyatlov.

On the second day (28.II.59) were dispatched search groups, and I went with prosecutor Tempalov and up to 10 people to start the excavation of the tent.

The tent was found on the slope of the height "1079", 100-150 m north-east from the top. At first glance, the tent seemed snowbound, but when we looked at it closer, we saw that the tent entrance was supported by the central peg and was well fortified with ropes. The other edge were also kept at their poles, but because the middle of the tent was piled up with snow, and the slopes of the tents on the windward side were severely damaged, the edge had fallen and was under the snow.

It was impossible to get into the tent, as all of it was covered with snow, and the layout of the items inside was revealed only after digging it up. The tent was set properly. The snow was trampled, on the snow were lying the skis with their sliding surface up, on top of them was the floor of the tent. At the very bottom of the tent were laid jackets (on the side of the slope), empty backpacks were spread on the bottom. At the same side of the tent (the slope) each lay their

Captain Chernyshev, March 11, 1959, interviewed by Ivanov

Yes, found on the 26th. Photo 28th. Is there a problem amashila?




 

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Amashilu, are you disagreeing?