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June 08, 2020, 12:10:02 AM
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Gorojanin



More like because it is so ridiculous, that it does not even fit for a theory. Don`t you think, that since you are the only one imagining forgery and falsifications, the problem is in you? There are a lot of absurd speculations about the Pass, but yours simply goes beyond. Sorry, but a murderous Yeti piloting a fire orb sounds better.
No one could say anything sane against concrete and clear facts.
 

June 08, 2020, 06:22:57 AM
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More like because it is so ridiculous, that it does not even fit for a theory. Don`t you think, that since you are the only one imagining forgery and falsifications, the problem is in you? There are a lot of absurd speculations about the Pass, but yours simply goes beyond. Sorry, but a murderous Yeti piloting a fire orb sounds better.
No one could say anything sane against concrete and clear facts.

That applies to you in full force. Non of the "facts" you state are actual facts, and I can`t really see anything "sane" here. Only vague interpretations, clearly not supported by photographic knowledge. But whatever makes you happy. It is good to see that you are at least consistent, since you seek "forgery" in pretty much everything, or at least in every incident photo. Good luck with that, Gorojanin.  thumb1 
"Truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize it." Mark Twain
 

June 08, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
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Gorojanin



That applies to you in full force. Non of the "facts" you state are actual facts, and I can`t really see anything "sane" here. Only vague interpretations, clearly not supported by photographic knowledge. But whatever makes you happy. It is good to see that you are at least consistent, since you seek "forgery" in pretty much everything, or at least in every incident photo. Good luck with that, Gorojanin.  thumb1

I  really see  or  I can`t really see are not facts.   thanky1
 

June 10, 2020, 12:34:52 PM
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Sarapuk, Could more falling snow have hidden the tracks closer to the tree line? I say this because there were no footprints from the cedar tree to the Zina, Igor and Slobodin bodies going uphill. It took 2 more days to find them after the Georgy and Yuri.

Did Zina, Igor and Rustem actually walk back up towards the tent or did they walk-crawl or just crawl back up?
 

June 13, 2020, 11:29:59 PM
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Gorojanin


Sarapuk, Could more falling snow have hidden the tracks closer to the tree line? I say this because there were no footprints from the cedar tree to the Zina, Igor and Slobodin bodies going uphill. It took 2 more days to find them after the Georgy and Yuri.

Did Zina, Igor and Rustem actually walk back up towards the tent or did they walk-crawl or just crawl back up?

New publication . Unfortunately, it has not been translated yet. In short, the essence. Tracks on the pass, allegedly belonging to members of the Dyatlov group, disappeared from the wind for two days. The tracks in the forest near the cedar disappeared in one day. Therefore, all traces recorded in the criminal case could only be left by the bearers of props.
 

June 14, 2020, 12:48:31 AM
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In rereading some of the information on this forum, I noticed that (for the group) there were supposed to be three cameras.  I am not sure if that means that the school  provided the group items or if it just means that (in the case of the cameras) three individuals were supposed to bring cameras. Does anybody know the answer?

There was a strip of negatives with Zolotarev's name scratched on it. In one of the books I have, it mentions that they gave cameras back to the hikers families and they got two of them mixed up.  So if one of those cameras was Zolotarev's  then maybe the wrong name was scratched on the film also.

Yes, I know that the second paragraph seems to answer the question in the first.  But then it also means that everything they had with them they also owned which would make this hiking a very expensive hobby.  I assumed that they and their families were fairly poor.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2021, 02:05:10 AM by Teddy »
 

June 16, 2020, 04:42:18 AM
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Gorojanin


In rereading some of the information on this forum, I noticed that (for the group) there were supposed to be three cameras.  I am not sure if that means that the school  provided the group items or if it just means that (in the case of the cameras) three individuals were supposed to bring cameras. Does anybody know the answer?

There was a strip of negatives with Zolotarev's name scratched on it. In one of the books I have, it mentions that they gave cameras back to the hikers families and they got two of them mixed up.  So if one of those cameras was Zolotarev's  then maybe the wrong name was scratched on the film also.

Yes, I know that the second paragraph seems to answer the question in the first.  But then it also means that everything they had with them they also owned which would make this hiking a very expensive hobby.  I assumed that they and their families were fairly poor.

In the criminal case, the inspection reports mention 3 cameras with a number and one camera without a number. Films made during the campaign were shot using 5 cameras. According to the receipts, 3 cameras with a number  were returned to relatives, and 1 camera without a number were returned to relatives of Zolotarev. There is no information about Thibault's camera in the criminal case.

No scrawled inscriptions of Zolotarev's name on any film are marked by any document, any certificate.   
« Last Edit: July 27, 2021, 02:05:25 AM by Teddy »
 

June 16, 2020, 05:42:39 AM
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Thanks for the input Gorojanin.
 

June 17, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
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Jean Daniel Reuss



   1) •••   Hi, Gorojanin ! I can admit that some of the photos are the result of transformations in the laboratory, but I think that the corpse transports and stagings...etc., which you describe are needlessly too complicated to be anything other than an excellent subject for a fiction book.

 Indeed, the initially undeveloped films may have been modified because it seems that no one knows exactly how these films that reached Lev Ivanov's office before finally ending up in the archives of Aleksei Koskin and Yuri Kuntsevich were treated.

a) Who was, and what did this "students volunteering in the first search party" do?

https://dyatlovpass.com/loose-photos

"These photos do not belong to any of the films and were introduced in the case file without explanation of their origin...
 one of the students volunteering in the first search party ... developed the film with the intention to do some private investigation into the matter till he was asked by the official investigators to hand over the camera and the film which he did..." - Look particularly at photos N° : 3, 6, 8, 11, 12


b) How were the other films developed ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/cameras

"...Cameras were identified with their serial numbers and number of frames of the films found inside. The photos were brought to a public domain much later, so we need to deduce which film was taken from which camera and who made the photos...."


c)
Quote from: Jean Daniel Reuss  - June 04, 2020, 01:48:52 PM    -   Reply #107

The photos have been retouched or reconstructed NOT to mislead those who use them, but on the contrary to improve the readability and quality of the final images.

During the Stalinist period the specialists of photographic faking were appreciated (and I suppose well rewarded) professionals.
After 1953, the need for government propaganda in falsified photos diminished. So there were unemployed experts in the USSR who might want to demonstrate their competence and skill by making photo montages for art, "sport" or other unimportant reasons.

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   2) •••   All events after January 26 are correct.
That is to say that the 9 hikers were attacked during the night of February 1 to 2, 1959 and finally killed by a few ex-zeks equipped with blunt objects (maces, bludgeons...) made of birch wood and who had followed their clearly visible traces.


From 1953 onwards, the mass releases of zeks who were proven enemies of the regime, consciously wanted by Khrushchev, led to tragedies and even to a "social catastrophe".
As a consequence, whenever possible Khrushchev ordered absolute secrecy to be maintained.

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   3) •••   If you want more precisions, I continue (slowly) to develop my "hypothesis N°2" in the "Altercation on the pass" topic.


Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.
 

June 17, 2020, 11:39:14 AM
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@Jean Daniel Reuss
Hello,
You made very interesting description so far. Still, as I have mentioned earlier, I am not convinced about the chain of events that caused the abandonment of the tent, the abandonment of weapons, the suffering of traumatic injuries and , ultimately, death.

Your thorough and elaborate description of the ex-zeks behaviour is very nice, as is the description of the political context of the time - yet it would require a detailed analysis of the final night (Fev 1st to 2nd) to be fulfilling. I.e. - why were the skiers caught off-guard (there was supposed to be a watchment outside); why didn't they take the knives and axes; how were they followed in the pitch black night by the ex-zeks (how could the attackers see better then them - that would require multiple flashlights); how were the traumatic injuries of SLobodin (symmetrical hits on both temples), Lyubidina (multiple rib fractures without hits to hands, arms, etc), "Zolotaryov" (same as Lyubidina), caused ? (a detailed description); why aren't there more footprints discovered on Fev 26th ? (surely the ex-zeks should have made footprints following the retreating skiers).

Best,

 

June 17, 2020, 11:52:36 AM
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Gorojanin



   1) •••   Hi, Gorojanin ! I can admit that some of the photos are the result of transformations in the laboratory, but I think that the corpse transports and stagings...etc., which you describe are needlessly too complicated to be anything other than an excellent subject for a fiction book.

 Indeed, the initially undeveloped films may have been modified because it seems that no one knows exactly how these films that reached Lev Ivanov's office before finally ending up in the archives of Aleksei Koskin and Yuri Kuntsevich were treated.

Neither Ivanov, nor Koskin, nor Kuntsevich will be able to make a montage that is connected compositionally and plot-wise with the rest of the photos. Photomontages were made in the same place and at the same time as the other photos.

Students did not develop the film, but printed photos from the developed films.

a) Who was, and what did this "students volunteering in the first search party" do?

https://dyatlovpass.com/loose-photos

"These photos do not belong to any of the films and were introduced in the case file without explanation of their origin...
 one of the students volunteering in the first search party ... developed the film with the intention to do some private investigation into the matter till he was asked by the official investigators to hand over the camera and the film which he did..." - Look particularly at photos N° : 3, 6, 8, 11, 12

Hhe film from Dyatlov’s camera was transferred by Ivanov’s daughter against receipt to the Kuntsevich Foundation, but was allegedly lost by him. The reason for the alleged loss is undoubtedly the extremely low level of execution of fake shots on this film.


b) How were the other films developed ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/cameras

"...Cameras were identified with their serial numbers and number of frames of the films found inside. The photos were brought to a public domain much later, so we need to deduce which film was taken from which camera and who made the photos...."


I believe that here the photos are accurately distributed across the films -  http://9001.lt/1959/ .


Quote from: Jean Daniel Reuss  - June 04, 2020, 01:48:52 PM    -   Reply #107
c)

The photos have been retouched or reconstructed NOT to mislead those who use them, but on the contrary to improve the readability and quality of the final images.

During the Stalinist period the specialists of photographic faking were appreciated (and I suppose well rewarded) professionals.
After 1953, the need for government propaganda in falsified photos diminished. So there were unemployed experts in the USSR who might want to demonstrate their competence and skill by making photo montages for art, "sport" or other unimportant reasons.

The level of performance of photomontage of shooting of participants of Dyatlov's group is available to the Amateur photographer at home.  In the 1960s, in school photo clubs, children were shown techniques that were used in the photomontage of photos members of the Dyatlov group.

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   2) •••   All events after January 26 are correct.
That is to say that the 9 hikers were attacked during the night of February 1 to 2, 1959 and finally killed by a few ex-zeks equipped with blunt objects (maces, bludgeons...) made of birch wood and who had followed their clearly visible traces.

From 1953 onwards, the mass releases of zeks who were proven enemies of the regime, consciously wanted by Khrushchev, led to tragedies and even to a "social catastrophe".
As a consequence, whenever possible Khrushchev ordered absolute secrecy to be maintained.

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   3) •••   If you want more precisions, I continue (slowly) to develop my "hypothesis N°2" in the "Altercation on the pass" topic.


I do not discuss fairy tales and fantasies of researchers of the Dyatlov pass.
No fairy tale can explain even the single fact of Thibault-Вrignol's monthly beard and moustache.


 

June 17, 2020, 01:11:05 PM
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alecsandros


No fairy tale can explain even the single fact of Thibault-Вrignol's monthly beard and moustache.
Some say that hair continues to grow after bodily death.
Others say that the skin of the skull retracts during decomposition, and the hair becomes more proeminent because of it.
 

June 17, 2020, 03:29:12 PM
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Gorojanin


No fairy tale can explain even the single fact of Thibault-Вrignol's monthly beard and moustache.
Some say that hair continues to grow after bodily death.
Others say that the skin of the skull retracts during decomposition, and the hair becomes more proeminent because of it.

Even those rare medical speakers who allow some growth after death speak of growth within hours, no more than a tenth of a millimeter. The depth of the hair under the skin of the upper lip is 1-2. 5 mm.

The length of the mustache in 1 cm is impossible due to skin drying. 1 cm grows within 26-31 days.

Thibault in a real photo taken on February 26.



Thibault in a photo allegedly taken on February 1.



Thibault at the beginning of a three-week hike in the Altai mountains in 1958.



Thibault at the end of a three-week hike in the Altai mountains in 1958.



 

June 18, 2020, 04:36:04 AM
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Even those rare medical speakers who allow some growth after death speak of growth within hours, no more than a tenth of a millimeter. The depth of the hair under the skin of the upper lip is 1-2. 5 mm.

The length of the mustache in 1 cm is impossible due to skin drying. 1 cm grows within 26-31 days.

I understand.
However, we do not have photos of Thibeaux-Brignolles after death. What we have is text from the autopsy report.

While I do not disregard a possible different timeline for DPI (I try not to diseregard anything logical), we must take into account the possibility of a clerical error in the documents (i.e. 1mm being wrongly written as 1cm). Without photos it is not possible for us to know more, IMHO.
 

June 18, 2020, 09:02:05 AM
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Even those rare medical speakers who allow some growth after death speak of growth within hours, no more than a tenth of a millimeter. The depth of the hair under the skin of the upper lip is 1-2. 5 mm.

The length of the mustache in 1 cm is impossible due to skin drying. 1 cm grows within 26-31 days.

I understand.
However, we do not have photos of Thibeaux-Brignolles after death. What we have is text from the autopsy report.

While I do not disregard a possible different timeline for DPI (I try not to diseregard anything logical), we must take into account the possibility of a clerical error in the documents (i.e. 1mm being wrongly written as 1cm). Without photos it is not possible for us to know more, IMHO.

There is a photograph of Thibault with a mustache and beard after death. Read carefully

The error is excluded. The expert report shows the results of measurements in tenths of a centimeter. And in General, no one will write: "hair up to 1 mm long".
 

June 18, 2020, 09:09:29 AM
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There is a photograph of Thibault with a mustache and beard after death. Read carefully
Yes but that photo is not clear enough to ascertain the length of the facial hair. It does appear to be more then in the last photos alive, but by how much more it can not be measured.
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The error is excluded. The expert report shows the results of measurements in tenths of a centimeter. And in General, no one will write: "hair up to 1 mm long".
There are always errors... Just see that document that is dated Fev 15th (written in fact in April)...
 

June 18, 2020, 09:34:26 AM
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Gorojanin


There is a photograph of Thibault with a mustache and beard after death. Read carefully
Yes but that photo is not clear enough to ascertain the length of the facial hair. It does appear to be more then in the last photos alive, but by how much more it can not be measured.
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The error is excluded. The expert report shows the results of measurements in tenths of a centimeter. And in General, no one will write: "hair up to 1 mm long".
There are always errors... Just see that document that is dated Fev 15th (written in fact in April)...

It is necessary to explain what it is on the face, if not the mustache and beard.

Measure not in photos, but in the morgue with a millimeter ruler, which is included in the mandatory set of tools of the pathologist.

The study was not conducted in February or April, but on may 9, 1959, in compliance with the decree of may 7, 1959.

 

June 18, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
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alecsandros



It is necessary to explain what it is on the face, if not the mustache and beard.
What is it on his face ?
 

June 18, 2020, 11:32:21 AM
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Gorojanin



It is necessary to explain what it is on the face, if not the mustache and beard.
What is it on his face ?

"On the cheeks, chin and upper lip, black hair up to 1 cm long".

 

June 18, 2020, 11:41:23 AM
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alecsandros



"On the cheeks, chin and upper lip, black hair up to 1 cm long".

How do you explain it ?
By moving the time of death to Fev 20th/21st or so ?
 

June 18, 2020, 08:48:19 PM
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Gorojanin



"On the cheeks, chin and upper lip, black hair up to 1 cm long".

How do you explain it ?
By moving the time of death to Fev 20th/21st or so ?

He was killed much later than February 20-21. In March or even early April. The fake photos of the campaign, which were taken in the area of North-2, have photos of Thibault, just shaved.





 

June 19, 2020, 04:47:42 AM
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He was killed much later than February 20-21. In March or even early April. The fake photos of the campaign, which were taken in the area of North-2, have photos of Thibault, just shaved.
What happened to him in the mean time ? (between Fev 1st and early April) ? Why was he (and the others presumably) abducted ?
 

June 19, 2020, 03:10:31 PM
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Gorojanin


He was killed much later than February 20-21. In March or even early April. The fake photos of the campaign, which were taken in the area of North-2, have photos of Thibault, just shaved.
What happened to him in the mean time ? (between Fev 1st and early April) ? Why was he (and the others presumably) abducted ?
I have a post about it. We are discussing this post. Read it.
 

June 21, 2020, 12:47:44 PM
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@Jean Daniel Reuss  ......Your thorough and elaborate description of the ex-zeks behaviour is very nice, as is the description of the political context of the time - yet it would require a detailed analysis of the final night (Fev 1st to 2nd) to be fulfilling. I.e. - why were the skiers caught off-guard (there was supposed to be a watchment outside); why didn't they take the knives and axes; how were they followed in the pitch black night by the ex-zeks (how could the attackers see better then them - that would require multiple flashlights); how were the traumatic injuries of SLobodin (symmetrical hits on both temples), Lyubidina (multiple rib fractures without hits to hands, arms, etc), "Zolotaryov" (same as Lyubidina), caused ? (a detailed description); why aren't there more footprints discovered on Fev 26th ? (surely the ex-zeks should have made footprints following the retreating skiers).

IMHO, the DPI belongs to the category of terrorist attacks, as there have been thousands of others around the world since 1945, perpetrated by ex-zeks who considered themselves to be anti-Soviet and anti-communist warriors infiltrated into the heart of the enemy's structure.

An explanation of the DPI is difficult because it would require serious background knowledge of the history of Russia and its surrounding countries, and also of international geopolitics.

For example, it is not easy to find information on the nationalities of the ex-zeks, who lived and worked in the Vizhay region and who were the attackers.
Were they: Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Poles, Czechoslovakians, Hungarians, Romanians, Moldovans, Ukrainians, Koreans, Germans, Bulgarians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians... or from other countries ?

    What makes the DPI so original is that the weapons used successfully were simple clubs or blugdeons, fashioned from birch trunks.

So I intend to develop my explanations in the topic: "Altercation on the pass" (and not in the "Murdered" topic, nor in the "General Discussion" topic).

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The final night (Feb 1st to 2nd) is not the most difficult chapter to reconstruct approximately.

why were the skiers caught off-guard (there was supposed to be a watchment outside)?

    ••   I do not think there were any hikers posted or watching outside the tent.
To illustrate the importance of harsh weather Morski placed a video ("Murdered > My short take on murder") :



Some hikers stayed fully dressed so that they could intervene outside the tent for a few minutes. For example, to drive in stakes or tent supports, to reinforce loose anchorages in the wind..


why did not they take the knives and axes ?

    ••   The knives in question were folding knives, apparently without a safety lock.
I do not know if the hikers were trained in the fighting with knife which implies a fast and precise style, unsuited to the outside conditions (darkness, wind, cold...).
The axes and the ice axe would have been more effective to defend themselves... It is likely that the hikers underestimated the risks of an attack. Or did they think that setting up the tent on a treeless surface was a sufficient protection


how were they followed in the pitch black night by the ex-zeks (how could the attackers see better then them - that would require multiple flashlights) ?

     ••   I think that on the slope of the Klolat Syakhl the violent hand-to-hand combat where Kolmogorova, Slobodin, Dyatlov (in that order) fell stunned, wounded and then froze to death took place in complete darkness.
The flaslights were not used and the moon was not yet up. No one could see anything but vague dark outlines standing out against the lighter background of the snow.
Loss of balance and falls were frequent on both parts because the snow-covered ground was uneven and slippery.
The attackers could not see better than the hikers, but they had better footwear. Thus the attackers could move faster (rather less slowly) which was a decisive advantage for the attackers as they kept the initiative to go on the offensive or break off the fight.

About 3 hours after leaving the tent Doroshenko was stunned by surprise, because being dazzled by the light of the fire, he could not see that the attackers were approaching while they could see Doroshenko clearly.


how were the traumatic injuries of SLobodin (symmetrical hits on both temples) ?

      ••  Once the victim, unconscious or slowed down in his movements by the first blows received, is lying on the ground, it is sufficient to continue hitting.
In Slobodin's case, it was enough to hit him one or more times on the left temple, then turn his head and continue hitting the right temple.


Lyubidina (multiple rib fractures without hits to hands, arms, etc), "Zolotaryov" (same as Lyubidina), caused ?

    ••   There is no difficulty in breaking human bones with a heavy club, as the energy corresponding to the blows is more than sufficient.
Approximately, we have 4 kg falling from a height of 3 m (120 joules) to which we must add double the muscular energy produced by a set of large muscles.

The energy of a single blow from a birch club is of the order of 400 joules.

In the case of the four of the den found on May 5, (and who could not defend themselves with fists), because their corpses were rotten external injuries were not discernable.


why are not there more footprints discovered on Fev 26th ?

    ••  On the slope of the Kholat Syakhl almost all traces of footsteps and fights had been erased on February 26, 1959 because the wind had often blown strongly since February 2.

See also:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=614.0
General Discussion > Experiment with raised tracks
 Teddy ,  April 11, 2020, 12:03:49 AM

On the other hand, in the valley of the Auspiya river the trace of the 9 hikers' skis was still visible when the rescuers on the ground searched for them.

Naturally, after their victory, the attackers returned to North-2 following carefully the ski tracks that the hikers had come from North-2.



Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.
 

June 22, 2020, 11:13:24 AM
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IMHO, the DPI belongs to the category of terrorist attacks, as there have been thousands of others around the world since 1945, perpetrated by ex-zeks who considered themselves to be anti-Soviet and anti-communist warriors infiltrated into the heart of the enemy's structure...

How do these stories about bandits and mythical events at the pass on February 1-2 explain the photomontage and forgery of the campaign? They don't explain it in any way. There are other themes for these stories.
 

June 23, 2020, 02:17:38 AM
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IMHO, the DPI belongs to the category of terrorist attacks, as there have been thousands of others around the world since 1945, perpetrated by ex-zeks who considered themselves to be anti-Soviet and anti-communist warriors infiltrated into the heart of the enemy's structure.
Hello,
I'll reply in the topic "altercation at the pass"

Best Regards,
 

June 26, 2020, 01:47:30 PM
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Gorojanin


Added a little bit to the image.

 

July 01, 2020, 09:56:17 PM
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I'm a Canadian forester; and that's not true, the forest does not accumulate snow.  The branches even block snow from falling on the forest floor.  You have not spent more time in the bush than I have.
 

July 01, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
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Gorojanin


I'm a Canadian forester; and that's not true, the forest does not accumulate snow.  The branches even block snow from falling on the forest floor.  You have not spent more time in the bush than I have.

This is the photo album of the party searches the Dyatlov group Askinazi  - http://samlib.ru/p/piskarewa_m_l/fotoreportazh2.shtml

This is a slope in early may. Author's explanation: So by the beginning of may, the kurumniki were opened, through which the children ran. The tent was located approximately in the upper-left corner.



This is the tent of participants in the search for a Dyatlov group of  in the forest. Explanation of the author: the Tent was not on the ground, but on the lapnik. Meter of snow, and it's in the woods! The stream can be filled in with a depth of 3-3.5 meters in a couple of days. That's why they couldn't find the flooring before us. By our time, the snow has shrunk (without melting), about half a meter and bared spruce debris.



 

July 01, 2020, 10:37:22 PM
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Gorojanin


Another small addition to the main article.
Inexhaustible on mistakes session "with a horse on Lozva".

Athletes choose their skis according to their height: height plus 25 cm. But such that the Kolmogorova`s skis , the smallest in the group, were twice as large as those of Dubinina`s skis, and longer than those of Doroshenko`s skis, the tallest in the group, in principle can not be. The photographer is absolutely not familiar with skis and sticks.
Skis were measured from the ski toe to the ankle. All skiers stand in the same ski track.