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Osi:
Thank you, Glenen. However, I don't understand what kind of parsing you mean, and I'm not sure I can make an edit that will meet your expectations. In any case, distorted expressions appear due to translation and it bothers me a lot. I am sad.

GlennM:
In emergency triage we assess the 4 B's. They are Breathing, Bleeding, Broken bones, Burns.
Which of these would result in the evacuation of the tent? The answer is Breathing. What would compromise the ability of 9 people in two stitched together tents with a partition to breathe? A collapse by an overburden of sealing snow. How could it happen? Windblown buildup on the windward and leeward side of the tent leading to stifling conditions within. Partial collapse reduces breathable space. Lack of oxygen induces panic. Panic is reinforced by the suspicion of being trapped when a cut is made and the way is blocked by a wall of snow. Immediate action is required. The choices are: to get out, then remain and clear the tent, No. The tent has been ruined and the weather has not changed, that is futile. Or, make for Boot rock. No, Only shelter, not heat is available. Make for the woods. Yes, shelter and heat are available. Footprints suggest neither remaining at the tent, nor retreating to Boot rock were considered. They underestimated the distance to the woods and it cost them dearly.

Axelrod:
I repeat my thought once again. There are 2 versions (a large avalanche or a snow layer) and there are dozens of other versions (at least 98), including the Yeti. It is quite possible that the reason for the occurrence was some other version. In this case, the question arises, is the avalanche version possible in principle in this place&&

That is, is the avalanche version an event that can systematically occur in this palce?

The most difficult situation, when an avalanche, but did not occured...Either it could have been an avalanche, or it could have been a Yeti attack or Mansi attack, or fireball attack - and an avalanche was chosen instead of a Yeti/Mansi/Fireballs attack the best explanation... Or the avalanche is impossible there and was specially invented to explain the incident with the Dyatlov group?

GlennM:
I believe that a reasonable person would not support an avalanche owing to the lack of physical evidence. Similarly, the fringe element theories of Yeti, aliens and the rest are purely for a short laugh and a short reality check. Evidence for human interference with the hikers is also completely lacking. There is not even trace evidence of an intrusion. If it were rocketry, there would be physical and chemical residue, not to mention a blast radius. There was none.

What there was is a tent set on a windwept slope with scoured snow on the windward and leeward side of the tent. Too, a significant accumulation of snow was on and immediately around the tent. Since it is unlikely the hikers would take the extra time after digging a levelling deck to put additional effort into handling the excavated snow, it remained in place, being more compact. Any storm blown spindrift snow is going to accumulate around obstructions to its flow. That is what the cut ledge, tent profile and excavated snow spoils were. It was not an avalanche at all, but it was in fact snow that compromised their safety and forced them out tragically.

Ziljoe:
There is the possibility of snow build up on a hard crust in the area. If the conditions were right , I believe there is the possibility of something like this.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mubalfqg6Gw?si=QQBC0tbYDWaezraG

It is subtle but could be alarming if it happened whilst inside a tent. Also it looks like they dug a trench to level and place their tent .

There's two types of snow surface recorded regarding the foot prints. , The raised foot prints close to the tent , where it's reported that there's enough definition to make out toes and soles. The wind blows the surrounding snow away over the three weeks leaving raised pillars. Then we have the recorded foot prints where they broke through a lare of ice snow and soft snow was below making holes so to speak. We seem to have a  two types prints suggesting different scenarios on the same slope .

We can argue the details but there was some type of fresh snow on that evening, it might have been blown in from other exposed slopes or falling from the sky but there were two types of snow layer.

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