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Hubris and risk taking?

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Ziljoe:
I would think that freezing is what happened after, it would most likely be hypothermia, there is evidence of frostbite on some of the hikers . If the temperature was in the negative and add some wind chill without adequate clothing , I think there is enough to suggest it's the cold. ??

GlennM:
Thank you for your thoughts. So, compromising the tent is obviously an ill considered course of action. It would certainly only be done in an avalanche, but we all tend to agree that a stereotypical avalanche is an impossibility. The slab slide is much more likely and in my opinion, a certainty.  That said, I find it doubtful they knifed their tent, but they did leave it. Again, this goes to hubris, or pride. I do not think they comprehended their trouble until they were at the cedar. Then, they became divided as a group in terms of decision making. One faction wants to regain the tent no matter what. The other wishes to wait out the weather in a snow cave. Surely, all thoughts of Ortoten are gone, but instead, thoughts turn to who to blame for a botched expedition.

Axelrod:
The above conclusions seem strange to me.... The parallel group of Rostov tourists led by Fomenko did not have a tent at all.
Karelin's group had a tent without a bottom. True, their trip was a few days later....

I want to give such a comparison. If you see the skeleton of a dog (or a dinosaur) in the form of scattered bones, it is difficult for you to imagine what a dog is.

You can build yourself a categorical picture that the animal looks like this or that.
But how do you determine how much the dog's ears stick out? You probably imagine them as human ears.

GlennM:
Axelrod, that is a worthy criticism. However,  there is another saying that helps make my point. " You do not have to be a chicken to know how one lays an egg."  I think that if the hikers deliberately tore up their tent, they would then discard it as unrepairable and have to pay for the loss. Since they were travelling economically as possible, I do not believe Igor would condone destruction of the tent. I do think that the ruined expedition had the potential to weaken the hikers chances for a grade 3 certification if they survived. So, to circle back to the thesis of the thread, could the desire to be first around Ortoten in winter have resulted in a decision to take a risk by travelling light on the high ground rather than the taking the forest route?
I think so. For me it is more plausible than faking the location of the tent.

Ziljoe:
It is a refreshing way to view the mystery Glennm . You made me think of the story of Icarus and this may be your very thoughts. Ultimately they flew too close to the sun and did not listen to others advice.

It gives a clearer narrative to the incident than many others.

Hubris can stem from narcissism , and ‘A hubristic leader can create a particular kind of ‘toxicity’ who, by virtue of their destructive behaviours and their dysfunctional personal qualities or characteristics, inflict serious and enduring harm on the individuals, groups, organisations, communities and even the nations that they lead’ (Jean Lipman-Burman)

As you noted, there are strong personalities . We have evidence that over confidence existed  , axelrod made me think about the sewing of the inner sheets and then the sewing or repairs of the tent it's self . That implies that someone( Dyatlov?) never bothered to check the condition of the tent before embarking on their journey, it was assumed it would be ok.

If I remember correctly, it is the same with the planning of the route with the UPI, it's poorly communicated and possibly on purpose as someone may have not signed it off.

As you say Glenn m , the hikers were advised to stay away from 1079 yet they didn't.

The very last entry in the diary on the 31st January is;

"We’re exhausted, but start setting up for the night. Firewood is scarce, mostly damp firs. We build the campfire on the logs, too tired to dig a fire pit. Dinner’s in the tent. Nice and warm. Can’t imagine such comfort on the ridge, with howling wind outside, hundreds of kilometers away from human settlements."
Dyatlov

These are a few examples of hubris that show Dyatlov may have thought he knew better and was willing to take unnecessary risks. ( I have been on trips with people like that. It can be dangerous)

Although none of this gives us the exact reason why they left the tent, it certainly gives us an indication that they were metaphorically speaking ,flying close to the sun and ultimately, maybe got too close ? .



 

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