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General Discussion / Re: About radioactivity.

« Last post by mja Mahé on April 21, 2025, 06:55:28 AM »

Good morning.

  Sorry, I've had problems with my Dyatlov Pass Forum password.

 I come back about the symbol on the tree. I think that these are relative with amerindians symbols. I know that the genetic migration up to United States was through the Bering strait and and it's for this reason that I do this relation between Mansis and native american peoples.
In a first time I want to explain the symbol on the tree relative with the arrow of the native americans : protection.
Do you think also like me that's for this reason that Yuri Yudin gave up the group after had examine these symbols???
Here is a screenshot of some native american symbols. My choice is in a first time for the arrow and you'll can see some similar and relative symbols with this one of the tree but it seem really that Yuri Yudin has had a real protection and the story of the Dyatlov Pass learn to you that It was not the fact for the other members of the group!




Source of the image : https://xn--kateyaartamrindien-lwb.com/fr/blog/les-symboles-amerindiens-n21

Friendly.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 21, 2025, 06:54:43 AM »

Something that nags at me is that I think it was from Igor's diary, but he said that the wind sounded like a jet engine and was warm.  Could it be that simple? What if he was actually hearing...wait for it... a jet engine?  I'm not sure how silos or prototype silos in the USSR would have worked but it stands to reason there would be several outflow vents pointed down any given mountain side. Bad weather or a storm would be the perfect cover to warm up and test fire the rocket to check guidance systems and range etc. I admit I envision a James Bond-type hidden installation, but if Ian Fleming was writing fiction about espionage in the early 50's and art imitates life, then I am pretty sure the Soviets had some type of Top Secret Installation that the Regular Army, for example, may not have even known about.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2025, 06:38:53 PM »

When I see newsreels of Soviet military parades, it seems clear that the Russians put  emphasis on mobile launchers as opposed to fixed installations.

That is my thinking. The first missiles didn't have the range to be fired from as far away as  Dyatlov pass. They were mobile and also above ground . They could take several hours to get ready from an incoming attack , the silos were an escalation to be ready to retaliate at a quicker time frame . Whilst potentially receiving a nuclear attack , the silos would still be operational.

As I understand it , it was missiles first and their range , then the nuclear war head capability, then silos .

The problem I envisage with a silo at the Dyatlov pass or within that region is the distance for the range of striking capability of the missiles at that moment of time in 1959. At some point they would have to design and build a silo and test it , not the missile but the launch from the underground silo. When the silos were eventually built and operational, they consisted of 3 silos and a HQ. Fuel, operating room , living quarters and all the logistics that would come from an independent silo base.

Both sides of the cold war didn't have the data of accuracy of the missiles . Cities were the main targets along with known military air fields . Accuracy was not the Achilles heel at that time , it was the speed and cost of being able to retaliate. I think both sides had missiles on stand by but the fueling and cooling , along of a lot of stuff I don't fully understand was the problem. Every day was a cost in labour and man power to nurse these missiles to be ready or on stand by.

Mobile units have an advantage because they could pop up anywhere , the negative is they weren't a push button instant solution..

http://www.astronautix.com/r/r-14u.html

 "Development of the modernized R-14U (universal) version, which could also be launched from 'Chusovaya' complex silos, was authorized on 30 May 1960. The authority to design the silo was issued two weeks later. The first test launch from a surface pad was conducted on 12 January 1962, followed by a series of launches from the silos from 11 February 1962 to October 1963.

In the silo-launched version, each regiment consisted of two divisions, each division being a single emplacement with a technical point and three silos. The launch complex was designed by TsKB TM under the direction of Nikolai Krivoshein. The hardened command and control technical point was modified from that for the R-12U, with each silo placed at least 100 m from the other about the technical point. Each silo was 30 m deep, had an inner diameter of 4.0 to 4.5 m, and was hardened to withstand overpressures of 2 kg/cm2. The silo design was accepted for military service on 15 June 1963.

The first R-14U silo division became operational at Priekule, Latvia in 1964. Further complexes were at Nerchinsk and Yasnaya in the far east, Dzhambul in Kazakhstan, Glukhov and Belokorovichi in the Ukraine, and Karmelaya in Lithuania. By 1965 a total of 97 R-14 and R-14U test or operational verification launches had been conducted, and around 100 mobile and silo launchers were operational.

The R-14U, in mixed deployment with mobile launchers, was retired in the late 1970's.


Maximum range: 4,000 km (2,400 mi). Initial Operational Capability: 1960"

I have underlined the word 'Chusovaya' because that is the name for THE silo specific to the r-14u missile. Other missiles had different silo names . ( After rivers I think)

At 2nd northern, zina writes in her diary

"2nd North is an abandoned village, nobody lives here at all, and what beautiful places! It's just Chusovaya. The stones on the banks are some cliffs, limestone, white. Today we go a few km along the Lozva River, and then we pass to the Auspiya river."

Coincidence probably as I think zina did a river hike or some activity there before. However, avoiding conspiracy if I can , the case files talk too much about missiles and the code names , with a small leap of faith , I think it's good reason to make the case files classified.

I am having a stab in the dark here but both sides , west and east had been spying on each other for years. Long ranch missiles and nuclear warheads were a new game in warfare, both sides were paranoid which is understandable given ww2 and the shifting politics in Europe . The US and UK had Communist sympathisers, students were a target by both sides.

Food for thought...

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by GlennM on April 20, 2025, 05:44:40 PM »

When I see newsreels of Soviet military parades, it seems clear that the Russians put  emphasis on mobile launchers as opposed to fixed installations.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 20, 2025, 05:30:31 PM »

I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?

Sure. You can find it here:

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1714.0

I took what I read from that thread and came up with this. The landscape and mountains are correct but the tent direction and skis and ice ax I couldn't get right. This AI is pretty bad a## though. I also fed the picture of the four into the AI from the picture of Yuri K, Lyudmil, Tibo, and Rustem. LD is about to lose her tongue.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2025, 03:26:38 PM »

I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?

Sure. You can find it here:

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1714.0

Thank you, I did have a vague memory of it being mentioned. I will probably have to get the book to get a full understanding. I have another book somewhere from about 2015 that spoke of these weird floating lights that followed people. I am sceptical though , I don't think the last photos show anything that that is of any merit. That's probably more to do with my ignorance though but film cameras are difficult to operate quickly In low light with all the manual adjustments. I have read that he's a digital photographer with experience and he did some sort of manipulation with software. I would have thought only that could be done from working with the original film not photos from a digital screen. Until I see what he's actually proposing then I can't really comment. I did read he's possibly going to do another book and update.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by amashilu on April 20, 2025, 03:12:32 PM »

I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?

Sure. You can find it here:

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1714.0

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2025, 02:09:04 PM »

A smart and useful book about the orbs, published in 2021, by Henning Kuersten: The Dyatlov Pass Mystery: NOT a Cold Case

I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2025, 10:49:19 AM »

If there's a huge underground facility where they could build missiles ( they were quite big) then it would be just as easy to move them there from the other build sites.

I might have some of this wrong as I haven't got the time to check the facts, but I shall try.

2 things first. 1) it seems there are lights in the sky  2) rockets and ICBMs are being tested and constantly evolving , including the testing of missiles to shoot down incoming ICBMs and the likes of the U2 spy plane.

The west are also testing their ICBMs, and by coincidence, the US titan 1 was tested on the 6th of February 1959. Successfully.

When the U2 spy plane was shot down in 1
May 1960 they also shot down one of their own jets ant the Soviet pilot died. This was also classified as the time.

The silos are a later development, silos have specific design need and purpose.

The village of northern 2 where the hikers stayed in a hut is interesting as to what northern 2 was?. It had hot springs and some kind of mining was going on with drilling for cores.

There are 30 record statements of lights in the case files, some different nights. I don't think there are reports of lights on the 1/2 of February.

Yes I believe more recent rocket casing shells were found.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by amashilu on April 20, 2025, 10:21:42 AM »

A smart and useful book about the orbs, published in 2021, by Henning Kuersten: The Dyatlov Pass Mystery: NOT a Cold Case