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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 20, 2025, 09:13:40 AM »

Who's to say they would transport a fully assembled missile to a dark site? The huge underground complex you speak of could hold a factory for production of missiles. Also the Urals would be a great place because it would be a hardened facility due to the mountains and hard ground approach. And if this theoretical silo existed, you shouldn't assume it was there to nuke the USA but perhaps Britain, France and Germany? As far as locals go, wasn't their last stop spent at an abandoned village with one intact cottage out of 20ish?
The orbs were spotted by another hiking group that same night from 20 miles away. And if memory serves correct, again a few weeks or months later. I'll have to find it again but somewhere on this site is a thread or photo that shows a dude holding up what looks like rocket insulation.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2025, 05:41:19 AM »

Hi old jedi.

The problem for there being a missile silo in the region is transportation of the actual missile , they work , mining, under ground facilities are huge, I would suspect all the locals would have seen such things. Zina actually says the code word for a missile silo at Northern 2 in her diary. ( Another reason to classify the case files?).

The Soviet Union already has test ranges , launch sites in other areas . It is the range of the rockets at the time that's the restricting reason to not place a silo in that part of the Urals. The west's missiles don't have the range either so there's no point in building a silo there. The reasons for silos, as I understand it , was to protect the missiles from nuclear attack and for the missiles to be activated quicker as it took a long time to return fire . The nuclear missiles were put into east Germany in 1959-60.

Regarding the feet, after you have hiked in the cold you will need to take your boots off , any moisture or sweat will need dried out , perhaps a change of socks and to dry out used ones. It could have been as warm as -2 C in the tent and or the time of the incident is when they are getting dressed or undressed .

I don't remember the exact distances of the sightings of orbs, the Mansi would have been the closest but they don't report explosions . Depending on what version of orbs you have read will depend on the interpretation I guess. The lights(orbs) seen in the sky seem more likely to be from rockets reaching above the sunrise /sunset shadow on earth.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 20, 2025, 03:49:09 AM »

I don't think they would have had missile silos in the area, for two reasons. 1) the logistical range of missiles at that time , and 2) silo's weren't fully implemented until the 60s. The silos cam to fruition due to the time it would take to launch a m issle in the event of a nuclear war.

I have read somewhere that Dyatlov was high on foot hygiene, there is good reason for this but there is no evidence that he did this in the tent.

The witnesses that saw lights in the sky would not be able to know how close or far away the fire balls were. There are numerous mountains in-between. An explosion by a geologist would be vary different  and certainly not at night at that time of year. I suppose there might of been a geological explosion but that's a different thing.

Interesting art work. Sometimes a picture is easier. 

Hi Ziljoe. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss silos in the area, they are the perfect location.  Minimum people like South Dakota, for example, and by your statement, they weren't FULLY implemented until the 60s. So they had to start somewhere; maybe this was the beginning of it. If anything, I'm more inclined to believe the rockets are related to their space programme. The cold temps would also be perfect to try and utilize natural cooling for the heat generated from boosters as well as any nuclear power situation.

Next, you say there was no evidence to support Igor's foot fetish in the tent. So why were many of them shoeless, and some footprints made by socks? That's pretty good circumstantial evidence. 

As far as explosions viewed from afar, I agree, but multiple explosions from thrown dynamite or Molotov Cocktails could look like anything viewed from 20 miles away due to the distance, temperature differences, wind, and elevation.  The explosions could have looked like, oh, I dunno, orbs? 

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 19, 2025, 06:57:16 PM »

I don't think they would have had missile silos in the area, for two reasons. 1) the logistical range of missiles at that time , and 2) silo's weren't fully implemented until the 60s. The silos cam to fruition due to the time it would take to launch a m issle in the event of a nuclear war.

I have read somewhere that Dyatlov was high on foot hygiene, there is good reason for this but there is no evidence that he did this in the tent.

The witnesses that saw lights in the sky would not be able to know how close or far away the fire balls were. There are numerous mountains in-between. An explosion by a geologist would be vary different  and certainly not at night at that time of year. I suppose there might of been a geological explosion but that's a different thing.

Interesting art work. Sometimes a picture is easier. 

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 19, 2025, 04:29:01 PM »

If they had missle silos in the area they would most certainly cover up any lung damage. I've always felt there was a fight. Why would they be forced by Igor to wash their feet, take off their shoes etc during a cold overnight with no heat? I think someone said something nasty to Igor and he was the one to cast everyone out to stay in the woods. I don't think it was that cold yet but a temperature inversion hit fast. I feel he cast out 3-4 people and the rest followed and that infuriated him even more. This photo would explain how witnesses miles away saw fireballs. It's easy to imagine geologists would have explosives.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by GlennM on April 19, 2025, 03:29:40 PM »

The last one was rich!  If a parachute bomb, there would be some 'splaining to do.  At one time ,I pondered a missile detonation in the area which could produce a nitric acid type vapor cloud. The brown cast to the hikers skin is consistent with a nitric acid burn, but significantly, the vapor,would be breathed in. That damage would be revealed at autopsy, but was not.

I toyed around with the idea of a low altitude Soviet jet pass. A single pass would get them all out of the tent, but not down the slope. The jet(s) would have to return. This would convince the group to bug out for safety's sake. Nothing ever came from that line of thought.

I am certain they got caught in bad weather and their tent failed them.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 19, 2025, 12:51:39 PM »

And just for sh15$ and giggles, enjoy this freebie at no extra charge! 

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 19, 2025, 12:49:26 PM »

A very nice contribution to the forum. Appreciated.! For me, it makes clear that a fireball is insufficient reason for hikers to abandon the tent.

Yet, if that,was the reason, it would be for them to get out of harm's way,  or collect souvenirs. They were ill prepared for either option.

Thanks, much appreciated. I dunno, parachute mines would be a great reason to get out of there. And exhaust from a solid fuel booster rocket. I couldn't get these to look quite right like they came from behind over their heads.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by GlennM on April 19, 2025, 10:38:27 AM »

A very nice contribution to the forum. Appreciated.! For me, it makes clear that a fireball is insufficient reason for hikers to abandon the tent.

Yet, if that,was the reason, it would be for them to get out of harm's way,  or collect souvenirs. They were ill prepared for either option.

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General Discussion / Re: Fireballs Could Be Many Things

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on April 18, 2025, 09:27:38 PM »