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General Discussion / Re: Rustem's hat
« Last post by GlennM on March 07, 2026, 01:54:09 PM »
IRZ couldn't have their clothes because they weren't at the cedar.

We just have to account for those pesky pieces of birch Igor was found with while facing the tent...or not.
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General Discussion / Re: Regarding sticks and poles
« Last post by Javier on March 07, 2026, 01:47:26 PM »
Igor was holding nothing in his hand, only his left elbow was touching the birch. His bent knees indicate that he was placed there.

It seems that there are too many contradictions in this whole matter. Every time I read a response I learn something different. I think this will be a TV series without the final episode.
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General Discussion / Re: What is your version of the facts?
« Last post by Javier on March 07, 2026, 01:31:05 PM »
 So far, I have not read a single logical justification for why the hikers broke the tent from the inside and went out almost naked and barefoot at night, in a place like Siberia at the end of January
 dunno1
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General Discussion / Re: Regarding sticks and poles
« Last post by SURI on March 07, 2026, 10:29:40 AM »
Igor was holding nothing in his hand, only his left elbow was touching the birch. His bent knees indicate that he was placed there.
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General Discussion / Re: Regarding sticks and poles
« Last post by Ziljoe on March 07, 2026, 09:31:55 AM »
Interesting. A couple of points , i don't think igor was clutching anything , its written somewhere but seems to be a later speculation . Too, i would think after a couple of hours their hands would have become useless. ? Just a thought.
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General Discussion / Regarding sticks and poles
« Last post by GlennM on March 07, 2026, 08:34:23 AM »
I don't know anything, but I am guessing each hiker had a pair of ski poles plus a spare pair for the team. That is 20 poles. Let's say they needed all 20 to properly pitch their tent. Then, they left the tent, arguably in a hurry They went down a snowy, icy, rocky slope for around a mile  of what(?) a 25 degree slope and losing 400 or more vertical feet of elevation( ?) How many flights of apartment steps are we talking about? Exact corrections appreciated.

Now, to get down the slippery slope, they could link arms side by side all nine walking abreast, or line up and do follow the leader each grabbing shoulders and shirttails of another. We can naturally except the rugged individualist(s) who hugged themself all the way down. Off they went, or so say the frozen steps. Somebody lost their flashlight on the way down too, curse the luck!

Eventually down in the woods,  someone prouduced a knife, matches too!. From that came firewood , a branch mat and a clothes burning fire. At some point, with hands and faces warmed in the glow of the flames, a plan for immediate survival was hatched. Was this before or after dead friends were stripped? I think before. Id like to believe there was group decision making. What next? There is room for original thinking, but there is also room for recalling the basics and past practice. Sheltering in a depression seems original, digging a snow cave is old hat for Zolo. But did the planning just dry up, then and there?  Did they not expect that getting back home was going to take more effort?

There is no way I can imagine Igor, Rustem and Zina in the wooded area and committing to reversing their course back to the tent...without their walking stick! Think about it. Igor was clutching branches, proof he died after reaching the treeline (and not on his way down from the tent, as some suppose) 

Who is going to walk uphill in knee deep snow,ice and rock without the benefit of a stout knife cut, or even a hand broken walking stick?  Somebody who reads this is going to opine, "they couldn't hold on" ( there were bitten knuckles after all, evudence it was really, really cold). I say, they had pockets for their hands. They could make rags for gloves. They could make cloth strip straps for cedar, pine or birch walking sticks tied tight by hands and teeth. Yet, not a single victim was associated with a walking stick! It boggles my mind!. Put yourself in IRZ's situation. You look uphill seeing an inclined slope of bare white ground. Maybe you wipe snow off your eyelashes from time to time. The watches give you a sense of distance, the slope, a sense of direction,  even if the tent itself is less than a black spot somewhere above your head.. You start back.  It is an insult to their intelligence to think someone said, " Hey, this would  be easier with a stick " , then fall to the ground and perish.

Maybe they were waiting for a plane.  Maybe Igor died with a handful of branches to make a smoking signal fire. I think not. Just burn a tree!  Rustem and Zina must have not supported the plan. They moved off, without a walking stick between them.




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General Discussion / Re: Rustem's hat
« Last post by SURI on March 07, 2026, 07:59:47 AM »
IRZ were in fact returning to the tent in arguably better weather than when they left.
Yes, they were returning back, but weather conditions were probably the same as during descent. IRZ started climb not long after they arrived to the Cedar tree, when all other members of the group were still alive. Otherwise, IRZ would have taken their clothes and boots. For sure, Rustem would have put one more valenok on (borrow it from Thibo's body) -- climbing the slope in one valenok is very inconvenient.

IRZ couldn't have their clothes because they weren't at the cedar.
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General Discussion / Re: Rustem's hat
« Last post by Osi on March 07, 2026, 12:09:22 AM »
Regarding Igor's position, in contrast to explanations suggesting he was defying an attack, I can say that: Igor, as the group leader, was aware of his responsibility to find and reach the tent. Perhaps he set out with Zina, or Zina was following him meters behind. That doesn't really matter. Igor may have tried to protect Zina's back with the open flap of his jacket and they may have walked arm in arm for a while. That's also not a significant issue. When Igor couldn't bear it any longer halfway and lay face down on the ground, he may have been forced to get up by Zina, whom we assume was next to him or behind him, by being turned onto his back and pulled by his arms. When Igor gave up and didn't react, he must have been left like that. It's as if he's pushing away someone who's trying to strangle him.
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General Discussion / Re: Rustem's hat
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on March 06, 2026, 11:31:37 PM »
IRZ were in fact returning to the tent in arguably better weather than when they left.
Yes, they were returning back, but weather conditions were probably the same as during descent. IRZ started climb not long after they arrived to the Cedar tree, when all other members of the group were still alive. Otherwise, IRZ would have taken their clothes and boots. For sure, Rustem would have put one more valenok on (borrow it from Thibo's body) -- climbing the slope in one valenok is very inconvenient.
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General Discussion / Re: Watch this
« Last post by SURI on March 06, 2026, 11:30:21 PM »
I'm pleased that the two watch explanation works well with Yuri's rolled-up left sleeve. If he took off his watch himself, he would have his sleeve buttoned up. Evening exit works well with Evening Otorten. And Evening Otorten works well with the overall scene.
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