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Teddy's new trip
Ziljoe:
--- Quote from: OLD JEDI 72 on January 25, 2025, 11:25:22 AM ---Hi Teddy, I don't know if it's been done before but how about starting a fire with matches only and no accelerant? Then try with a lighter. It should be attempted when and if it's super windy in day or night.
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I don't think there's any reason to be suspicious about the ability to light a fire with limited resources , skilled tourists would have been taught this from knowledge over many generations. They had matches , would know what would burn , not easy for the uneducated in bushcraft perhaps but they had many years of winter conditions between them. I believe there were a number of matches found under the ceder, I don't think it says if they were spent or not ( used or unused) . Perhaps some of the missing diaries were used as tinder? They seem pocket sized note books?
GlennM:
Before partying Lyuda gave a souvenir to Yuri Yudin, a small Teddy Bear. He kept the fluffy toy until the end of his days. After his death April 29, 2013, the Teddy Bear was passed to Kuntsevich, head of the Daytlov foundation at the time. Kuntsevich himself passed away on 11 August 2021.
Other DP9 members had teddy bears. Teddy, you too should have several small teddy bears in your rucksack. One should be kept as your personal legacy item. The others, being symbolic and travelled to 1079, might be used in future fund raisers.
OLD JEDI 72:
--- Quote from: Ziljoe on January 26, 2025, 01:37:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: OLD JEDI 72 on January 25, 2025, 11:25:22 AM ---Hi Teddy, I don't know if it's been done before but how about starting a fire with matches only and no accelerant? Then try with a lighter. It should be attempted when and if it's super windy in day or night.
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I don't think there's any reason to be suspicious about the ability to light a fire with limited resources , skilled tourists would have been taught this from knowledge over many generations. They had matches , would know what would burn , not easy for the uneducated in bushcraft perhaps but they had many years of winter conditions between them. I believe there were a number of matches found under the ceder, I don't think it says if they were spent or not ( used or unused) . Perhaps some of the missing diaries were used as tinder? They seem pocket sized note books?
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"Suspicious about the ability." You ain't just whistling Dixie! You're really reaching on the tinder possibility though. Why would any members of the gang have ripped them out in the first place? And before you speak of education or "uneducation" in survival, remember it's 1959.
I like the tree idea, Teddy. With it clobbering the ravine 4 from above when they were building and gathering for the fire. I don't agree the tent was there but I'm starting to think the gang was standing in that spot gathering wood for the two Yuri's.
Ziljoe:
--- Quote from: OLD JEDI 72 on January 29, 2025, 04:40:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ziljoe on January 26, 2025, 01:37:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: OLD JEDI 72 on January 25, 2025, 11:25:22 AM ---Hi Teddy, I don't know if it's been done before but how about starting a fire with matches only and no accelerant? Then try with a lighter. It should be attempted when and if it's super windy in day or night.
--- End quote ---
I don't think there's any reason to be suspicious about the ability to light a fire with limited resources , skilled tourists would have been taught this from knowledge over many generations. They had matches , would know what would burn , not easy for the uneducated in bushcraft perhaps but they had many years of winter conditions between them. I believe there were a number of matches found under the ceder, I don't think it says if they were spent or not ( used or unused) . Perhaps some of the missing diaries were used as tinder? They seem pocket sized note books?
--- End quote ---
"Suspicious about the ability." You ain't just whistling Dixie! You're really reaching on the tinder possibility though. Why would any members of the gang have ripped them out in the first place? And before you speak of education or "uneducation" in survival, remember it's 1959.
I like the tree idea, Teddy. With it clobbering the ravine 4 from above when they were building and gathering for the fire. I don't agree the tent was there but I'm starting to think the gang was standing in that spot gathering wood for the two Yuri's.
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Calm Doon cowboy, you seem to be a rootin 'n' a tootin .
A simple Google will bring you to various tinder options , it's been discussed before , there's nothing odd about the starting of a fire where they were. I'm not sure what you mean by gang , or ripped them out , if you mean the suggestion of diaries, then some of these books ( diaries )were pocket sized. It would be useful tinder as some of them already had newspaper clippings etc in their pockets. Likewise, the trees etc have various resources.
Here's a nice gentleman in winter in February talking about how to start a fire with some resin.
https://youtu.be/7bgijLMMtpc?si=8U_3bQk9XRldVzXE
The ceder would be probably the best option for resources.
This guy shows us where to find the resin and climbs a tree !
https://youtu.be/Gq7pyVxLP1s?si=KMVZAtIFAjWUSGQy
This guy cuts right into the dead branch next to the trunk , this is where the best fat wood is.
https://youtu.be/v7EoZBFi9xs?si=vDGl4m5aS79LUbQz
I'm not sure what you mean by remembering it's 1959 , it's neither here or there , it's the skill of the people that have had to live in those conditions passing skills on for years . For those that are interested in outdoors , it is wise to invest in learning these skills that are essential to day to day living.
Many of us live in warm houses like yourself, most flick a switch for heat or buy firestarters from the supermarket.
The Dyatlov group would have known a few tricks and not solely relied on some sort of accelerant .
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