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Teddy's new trip
Teddy:
Roughly, this is where the tent was found. In the circle is a snowmobile for a scale.
The ravine where the bodies were found.
My point is that if a camera is mounted at the top of the Boot rock, no matter what direction it is pointed at, you will se nothing. Most of the time there is whiteout. At night is pitch black. If something moves in the distance this won't trigger a motion detector, it would be too far away.
So where do you suggest this camera is mounted?
Teddy:
--- Quote from: GlennM on January 07, 2025, 02:36:08 PM ---Teddy, as you well know there is a lot of discussion about the steepness of the slope the tent may have been pitched on. Also, those who believe it was always on 1079 dispute the angle of the slope. There is the angle of the hillside, but there is a much steeper angle of the tent had a foundation cut into a ledge in the snow.
Perhaps if your smart phone has an inclinometer built in, you could download an app that would permit you to find both the natural angle of the slope as well as the steeper angle from the floor of the ledge to the peak of 1079.
Perhaps with your information, forum members can rule avalanches and slab slides in or out of consideration. Tks.
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Added to the list.
GlennM:
Teddy, will the Mansi comfirm they make snow dens? If yes, do they make them in the area near the cedar? I am thinking that if 1079 means "nothing goes there", then why would they hunt where nothing goes there?
If they actually do go there, will they show the group personally or in pictures of one of their constructions? Will they give an indication of what tools are needed and the amount of time necessary make one? Can they elaborate on whether they use cut branches to make a raised floor? I ask this for the benefit of the forum. I wonder if the DP9 used an existing shelter, missed an existing shelter, or made a shelter because there was none at the ravine.
As you know, the bodies of the ravine 4 were not at the platform of sticks in the den. Perhaps today's Mansi can help us understand what their parents and grandparents did to survive their hunts away from home.
Teddy:
--- Quote from: GlennM on January 11, 2025, 07:40:37 AM ---I am thinking that if 1079 means "nothing goes there", then why would they hunt where nothing goes there?
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1079 = Kholat Syakhl = Dead Mountain
There is a myth that Otorten means "Don't Go There".
Отортэн is the distorted name of Вот-Тар-тан-Сяхыл (Mt Vot-Tar-tan-Syakhyl) meaning "Mountain that blows the wind" or "Mountain from which the wind blows". The Mansi emphasize that the winds very often blow from the side of this mountain (A.K. Matveev "The Peaks of the Stone Belt" 1990). Peak with this name is located several kilometers to the north and is inferior in height to what we know as Mt Otorten. Mansi have a different name for Otorten, Лунт-Хусап (Lunt-Khusap) meaning "Goose Nest" or Лунт-Хусап-Сяхыл (Lunt-Khusap-Syakhyl) meaning "Goose Nest Mountain". There is a Mansi legend that after the global flood, one goose survived on the peak of this mountain. The lake with the same name is located at the foot of the steep southeast slope of Mt Otorten. The lake with the same name is located at the foot of the steep southeast slope of Mount Otorten. It is from Lunt-Khusap-Tur Lake ("Goose Nest Lake") that the Lozva River originates.
Teddy:
--- Quote from: GlennM on January 11, 2025, 07:40:37 AM ---Perhaps today's Mansi can help us understand what their parents and grandparents did to survive their hunts away from home.
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Valery Anyamov will be with us. I will make sure we discuss what do Mansi do when hunting in the winter.
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