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Why a fire at the cedar didn't work.

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GlennM:
We believe a fire was made at the cedar to warm the hikers. There are a couple things that worked against them in that regard. First, by stopping and sitting by the fire, the body is not expending energy to produce body heat. Secondly, only the side of the body facing the fire gets warmed. The cold on the otherside ( back ) is stealing heat and accelerating hypothermia. If the hikers had cut the tent and brought canvas with them, they could have reflected the heat of the fire to their backs and kept warm in order to survive the night.

OLD JEDI 72:

--- Quote from: GlennM on January 22, 2025, 08:38:05 PM ---We believe a fire was made at the cedar to warm the hikers. There are a couple things that worked against them in that regard. First, by stopping and sitting by the fire, the body is not expending energy to produce body heat. Secondly, only the side of the body facing the fire gets warmed. The cold on the otherside ( back ) is stealing heat and accelerating hypothermia. If the hikers had cut the tent and brought canvas with them, they could have reflected the heat of the fire to their backs and kept warm in order to survive the night.

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It's very obvious you are correct. I wonder how the fire was even started in the first place. Katabatic winds, jet engine winds, blowing snow, burning live green branches on top of snow. In my mind there is no way to even get a fire started without an accelerant with those conditions, the most obvious being high proof vodka they potentially stole from the drunk man on the train and that was kept separate from the "medicinal" vodka. It would make more sense one of them was carrying a bottle of booze than say a can of gasoline or lighter fluid when they didn't even take proper clothes down the hill. I like the theory written on here by Aleksandr Surkov called Zolotaryov's Meltdown. I don't necessarily think it's true, but I think it's close to what happened. One of them had a meltdown in my opinion and I think a few shots of high proof booze taken by kids (lightweight drinkers) and petty trifles caused it. The so-called fireballs could have been them igniting the fire by the cedar after the sh@# hit the fan in the tent.

GlennM:
OJ72 thanks for the reply. Zolo's meltdown is an interesting take on the event. Like everything else, it fits what will fit and ignores that which does not fit.

The vodka that you mention interests me. There is no substantiation to this but if the kids swiped the bottle and if the bottle had methanol along with ethanol, then who knows what anyone who drank it would do to preserve themselves?

It seems clear from the autopsy and case files that what ever affected the group, it affected them face first. There is no reason to suspect they were individually or collectively attacked from behind. It also suggests that they were not helpless in their situation. There was defensive and protective behavior to ward off cold, shelter and rescue themselves.  Nature is indifferent.

Arjan:
The autopsy report of Alexander states: 'Canvas one-piece khaki pants with elastic support. In the right pants pocket is a soaked pack of matches'

Very probably all group members had been masters in making campfires. At least Alexander had a pack of matches with him while being at the ravine/cedar area, so he had been able to light a fire.

The problem for group members in the ravine/cedar area is, the wood near the cedar had not dried sufficiently to be used for a 'hot efficient burning' campfire.

They had not have time to pre-heat 'wet wood' near a campfire started before.

Very probably the campfire near the cedar had not produced sufficient heat due to the sublevel firewood collected around the cedar.

Osi:
In cases of death from cold, there are two situations expected for the person. 1)Paradoxical undressing 2)Final refuge
Doroshenko and Kriveshenko; They had to warm up their friends who were working to dig a snow pit. On their knees, they blew into the fire at -25 degrees. They must have been trying for about half an hour. The wet branches did not burn strongly. Their body temperatures gradually dropped and they began to undress. They lost their lives minutes after undressing. I think the other 7 people suffered partial sweating due to overexertion. I think that Zinaida, RĂ¼stem and Igor met a sudden death within 10-15 minutes after leaving the cedar, depending on their distance. There was no specific time period for the paradoxical undressing to occur. Dyatlov's embrace of the dwarf birch tree is the ultimate search for shelter. Zina and Rustem were also found under the snow, as if they had dug their sleeping place under a primitive consciousness.
In conclusion; Since they realized that fire does not burn and cannot be lit, they focused on different alternatives.

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