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amashilu:
Did the Mansi make fires?

The Mansi hunted this area. I have read a few times that they had regular resting spots, and that the cedar may have been one of these resting spots. When they stopped for an overnight rest, did they make a fire?

The 9 hikers could have made a roaring bonfire, but did not. The fire that was made at the cedar was small and weak and only lasted about 90 minutes before dying out.

Hunter:
1. Hunting in those places is a very general concept. They could hunt 20 kilometers from the site of the tragedy. For them, this is not a distance.
2. The place for rest and a fire is very inconvenient.
3. The tourists could not make a large fire - they did not have the necessary tools. The saw and suitable axes were left in the tent.

Ziljoe:
I think if it was the Mansi that made the fire the searchers would have found bigger logs, wood shavings from Saws or axes .

Plus the chum thing that we have the photo of is possibly a wood store and a sign post . I did read ages ago that the Mansi stored wood like this to dry . The chum location seems to be just north of where Zina was found .

Tha advantage of the snow when searching is that it leaves a trail to activities at that moment in time. It is the thaw in May that's shows this level of twigs and debris being dragged to the ravine along with items of clothing. No other traces are recorded, no tin cans, no bones of animals , no other attempts to cut trees , just the 14 or so branches that were used for the den flooring and the broken branches off the Cedar.

It is reported by another that there was considerable melted snow ( gone hard I think) around the fire and that the Yuri's were lying on fir branches . It would be logical to assume this was for insulation from the snow.

As hunter says , they did not have serious tools to  process the wood and climbing a tree to get the weathered branches makes some sense for the hikers but not for Mansi or any outsider's, they would have tools and build a big fire. From building this fire , there would be signs in the snow that this happened. There is nothing there but the broken cedar branches which are burnt through, some branches lying on the lower branches of the cedar that didn't reach the ground and some used as flooring at the cedar.

It is this that confuses me as to why they didn't drag those branches to the den for more insulation and make the fire next to the den.

Given the state of the two Yuri's, their burns , the socks lying around and removal of the lower clothing I can't but help think they got wet which is a small possibility as the ravine comes before the cedar .

For me the activity at the cedar looks like a desperate attempt to warm up and/or dry clothing .

Hunter:
There are many things that surprise me about the tragedy. I can logically explain the division of the group into the one that went to the tent and those who stayed below. The division of those who stayed below into two groups. But I can’t find a logical explanation for how it happened that the Yuras froze to death by the fire and died before the four in the ravine? And where were the four in the ravine while the Yuras were freezing?

amashilu:
It's not clear that the Yuris actually died where they were found, lying side by side. There is speculation that they died elsewhere and were brought to their final resting place and positioned.

I have questions about Yuri K's terrible leg burns and whether the fire at the cedar was large enough or strong enough to cause these burns.

"There is a burn across the entire surface of the left anticnemion with a size of 31 x 10 cm with parchment density. In the lower third of the left shin is of a brown-black color with charred tissue and and bursting skin, then in the middle third and upper third the burn surface is bright red and light brown ..."

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