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Charles:
Charles replaced his posts with the text "nothing here" before deleting his account from the forum.
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GlennM:
Those dead at the cedar were laid out by respect from the living. Those in the ravine were situated for warmth and shelter. Those proceeding back to the tent fell inline as they succumbed. I personally attribute no symbolism, nor occult meaning to their arrangement. On the other hand, if it was murder and mayhem, I'd expect the criminal investigation would indicated it. I would argue that careful murderers hide their crime. I would argue careless murderers would not care where the victims fell, nor would they pose the remains.Does treating this tragedy as a conspiracy result in giving the surviving relatives some false hope that they will be paid for their loss? Since it is unlikely that conspiracy hypotheses will  be proven, this is going to endure like Jack the Ripper.

As far as I can tell, only the findings from tissue samples are missing. My guess is that when found, they will be unremarkable.

Игорь Б.:
Доказано, что двое у кедра лежали головами к ветру.
Доказано, что трое на склоне лежали на прямой к палатке.
Доказано, что трое в ручье лежали укрывшись куртками.
Доказано, что тело Дубининой перевернулось и сползло с уступа.

Ziljoe:
I don't think anyone is implying panic, as for films , much of our representations in all walks of life are influenced by them, just like your love and passion clips etc. The same could be said for any genre of film. Life is much more humdrum.

As for the ravine four, the injuries are consistent with a snow collapse breaking the ribs, and skull fracture. Lying down next to each other for warmth is good practice, especially if there was  space available , perhaps from a naturally formed snow cave.  The bodies wouldn't curl up in a ball in that situation because it would appear that was the postion they were in when it the roof potentially collapsed. If you do some research you will see how bodies come to rest from exposure to the cold.

I don't think anyone mentioned a stampede. Maybe panic is the wrong word, alarmed , fright, fear may be more appropriate. Obviously ,the reason to leave the tent is an important factor in how we look at the events that followed.

To ask the question if they panicked is sensible. They may have got a fright, heard or saw a gun shot, gas canister, snow slip, wind or Wolverine. 

An open mind is useful instead of having a predetermined conclusion and forcing the evidence to fit. But carry on. I'm interested in this violence , order and geometry thing...

Ziljoe:
Charles, as I said maybe panic is the wrong word, it fits with , fright, alarm, spooked etc. It's the unknown. But I was referring to your "true panic" . However the previous discussion was if the panicked in the sense that they ran down hill and as I understand it , other members were putting there thoughts forward and discussing why they left the tent. I think it was mostly concluded that they made a decision to move towards the ceder , not by panic but it seemed the best option. It's you that uses the phrase true panic and stampeded.

"So the hikers panicked at the tent, a true panic, the one corresponding to a stampede when herds run for their lives, then they experienced extreme suffering, and finally they died and laid as in a cemetery, and found time to pay some respect to the dead... Another fairytale?"

Anyway get back to your geometry thing....I canna wait ....

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