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January 25, 2023, 06:49:36 AM
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This is an excerpt from the foreword in "1079"
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Krivonischenko worked in Mayak, where on September 29, 1957, the Soviets nuked themselves, and that Zina came from a village in the contaminated zone. Other theories propose tests in Novaya Zemlya as an explanation, and then there is the exoticism of Rakitin's version that someone in the group was carrying a pure beta isotope. But the basic question remains: why would Ivanov order a radioactive test for people who died in the mountains with no apparent signs of foul play, only to close the case the day after the results came out?
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The radioactive contamination could easily be explained with the Kyshtym disaster. It has no bearing on the incident in the mountain.
 
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January 25, 2023, 07:27:36 AM
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An errant missile?
 

January 25, 2023, 07:36:15 AM
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An errant missile?
https://dyatlovpass.com/prosecutors-investigation
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There still was a rocket!

Supporters of the technogenic version of Dyatlov’s tragedy are sure that the hikers death is somehow connected to an unsuccessful rocket tests. They refer to the launch of a rocket on February 2 from the Kapustin Yar training ground. It is known that this flight ended in an accident, but the details of the accident are classified.

The prosecutors managed to establish that there really was a launch. Only according to the now declassified data of the Ministry of Defense, it had no relation to the tragedy at the pass, because the rocket flew in a completely different direction and fell near the city of Emba in the Akhtyubinsk region of the Republic of Kazakhstan, covering a distance of 1,500 km.
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January 25, 2023, 05:03:32 PM
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Could it be that Ivanov suspected the hikers of prospecting?
 

January 26, 2023, 01:03:51 AM
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My personal opinion is that Ivanov had a "thing" about energy (hence his article), and since the fashion of the day were new weapons using nuclear power, resulting in radiation, he requested the tests.

And here is what Igor Pavlov wrote to me:
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У меня немного другая мысль. Мне кажется, что на самом деле никто не знал, что же случилось с группой Дятлова (кроме местных, которые провели инсценировку). Официальная версия - ураган (озвучено комиссией обкома). Иванов никогда бы не пошел против решения партии и, тем более, никогда бы не стал проверять версии советских испытаний. За это скорее всего наказали бы. Мой сценарий такой:
- Иванов вел не только дело дятловцев. По воспоминаниям его вызвали с перевала то ли в Москву, то ли в Свердловск. И после этого он перестал интересоваться расследованием.
- Это подтверждается тем, что в это время практически все допросы вел Романов. Т.е скорее всего Иванову поручили расследование какого-то другого дела. А Романов "доделывал" дело дятловцев, решение по которому формально уже было принято (ураган).
- Что же мог расследовать Иванов? Все допросы, которые он вел, начиная с конца марта (примерно, т.е после вызова), так или иначе связаны с наблюдением каких-то явлений в небе. Плюс еще в УД есть протокол допроса, который вел прокурор другого района про огненные шары (уже после закрытия УД). Мне кажется, что Иванову поручили расследование того, что же такое эти огненные шары. Т.е скорее всего их не связывали с пусками советских ракет. По сути их рассматривали, как НЛО. И не могли понять их природу.
- Как я уже писал раньше, в сети есть информация о том, что именно при расследовании случаев появления НЛО в США и проводились тесты на радиацию.

Т.е я думаю, что в то время в СССР было какое-то расследование случаев появления неопознанных явлений в разных районах. Иванов в числе других прокуроров занимался сбором информации. И тест на радиацию он скорее всего провел по собственной инициативе. Но не по делу об испытании советских ракет, а по делу о непонятных объектах. В итоге, скорее всего, это расследование ничего не дало, природа шаров так и не была раскрыта. А Иванов заподозрил, что туристы могли погибнуть именно из-за шаров. И приобщил документы, которые оказались не нужны в Москве (или копии документов, отправленных в Москву), к делу дятловцев. Не исключено, что эти документы были изъяты из УД именно потому, что проходили по другому делу.
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I have a slightly different idea. It seems to me that in fact no one knew what happened to the Dyatlov group (except for the locals who staged it). The official version was a hurricane (voiced by the commission of the regional committee). Ivanov would never go against the party's decision and, moreover, he would never check the version of the Soviet tests. He would most likely be punished for it. My script is like this:
- Ivanov led not only the case of the Dyatlov group. According to his recollections (of other people not Ivanov himself), he was summoned from the pass either to Moscow or to Sverdlovsk. And after that, he stopped being interested in the investigation.
- This is confirmed by the fact that at that time almost all interrogations were conducted by Romanov. That is, most likely Ivanov was assigned to investigate some other case. And Romanov "finished" the case of the Dyatlov group, the decision on which had already been formally made (hurricane).
- What could Ivanov investigate? All the interrogations that he conducted, starting from the end of March (approximately, that is, after the summons), were somehow connected with the sights of light phenomena in the sky. Plus, there is also an interrogation protocol in the case files, which was kept by the prosecutor of another district about fireballs (after the case was closed). It seems to me that Ivanov was assigned to investigate what these fireballs were. That is, most likely they were not associated with the launches of Soviet missiles. In fact, they were treated like UFOs. And they could not understand their nature.
- There is information on the net that it was during the investigation of cases of UFO sightings in the United States that radiation tests were carried out.

I think that at that time in the USSR there was some kind of investigation into cases of the appearance of unidentified phenomena in different areas. Ivanov, among other prosecutors, was collecting information. And he most likely conducted the radiation test on his own initiative. But not in the context of testing Soviet missiles, but because they didn't know what they were. In the end, most likely, this investigation did not give anything, the nature of the fireballs was never disclosed. And Ivanov suspected that the hikers could have died precisely because of the fireballs. So he attached documents that were not needed in Moscow (or copies of documents sent to Moscow) to the case of the Dyatlov group. It is possible that these documents were withdrawn from the Department of Justice precisely because they were related to another case.
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... What are these documents to be continued
 

January 26, 2023, 02:15:26 AM
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"1079. The Overwhelming Force of Dyatlov Pass" "1079. Die Urkraft des Dyatlov Passes" "1079. La fuerza abrumadora del Paso de Dyatlov"

 

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Please download the book for FREE and RATE it.

I know most of you already have the book but if you haven't rate it please do so. Tell friends. I have never asked for help, now I do. Give me some feedback that it is worth my time to keep going, that I am doing something important and I don't refer to the book only but the site and forum as well. The book is only a continuation of my findings in a different format. In the book there is nothing about me, it is about the incident entirely. It may seem boring to some but Igor and I chose this format on purpose, it reads like a cold case file, not as a beach novel. It is not entertaining and it was never meant to be. It is the only way to discuss this case, with facts. Our theory is in the last chapter, I do not care if you like it or not. I don't claim to have solved the case, we offer a solution, an explanation. But the book should be read as a chronology of events comprised by information we know. It is a navigation map between all the documents putting them into a time frame. Igor Pavlov sat for 10 years on this information and waited to see if a new finding would contradict or compliment his theory. This book is his legacy and I am its keeper. This is me reaching out for help. The Kindle download will appear in your Amazon profile under Orders › Digital Orders, find the book › Write a product review and if you have met the "minimum eligibility requirements to write a review" which is to buy other stuff for $50 in the last year then you will be able to rate. It says "to write a review" but you don't have to. You can just rate it. Thank you!

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January 26, 2023, 10:50:50 AM
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Teddy, you can't let discouraging people discourage you. What you have done is nothing short of amazing, and everyone on this forum appreciates you. This is the go-to site for information on the DPI the world over, and it only exists thanks to you. We are grateful to you for investigating, gathering, and organizing the information, and building this site and forum, which we all use — for free — thanks to you. We don't express our gratitude to you enough, and we should not, and do not, take you for granted.
 
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January 26, 2023, 11:05:47 AM
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I take this as positive encouragement from everyone that supports me. You don't need to write more replies, just thank amashilu if you agree with the statement and we can move on. I feel better already.  thanky1
We can get on with the case. You know what to do about the book.

There are two articles that came out today about the location of the labaz. I was there, my name is at the bottom of the article. You can ask me questions but most probably I will get back to you after the conference because I am no where with my report. I will translate and publish the article about the labaz as well, just giving you a heads up.

https://uralstalker.com/mestoraspolozhenie-labaza-turistov-gruppy-dyatlova/
 
https://dzen.ru/a/Y9EDKAtwGUiAsL7d

I cleaned up a little bit. Don't be surprised some posts are missing. They were not about the case but my own insecurities.
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January 27, 2023, 09:39:39 PM
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Igor Pavlov sat for 10 years on this information and waited to see if a new finding would contradict or compliment his theory.

У меня совершенно другой взгляд на то,  чем была Ваша работа с Игорем Павловым   - над этой книгой. Эта Ваша книга - сюжет для новой книги. Книги - С большой буквы. Я Вам пояснила это в личной переписке.
Это презентуемая Вами книга - ступенька для написания действительно человеческой и замечательной истории. Мы все тут люди и сердца стучат - только на настоящее...

I have a completely different view of what your work with Igor Pavlov was - on this book. This book of yours is the plot for a new book. Books - With a capital letter. I explained this to you in a private message.
This book you are presenting is a stepping stone for writing a truly human and wonderful story. We are all people here and our hearts are beating - only for the real ...
Between was and was not - the river of time. You have to be able to swim - not only in the water ...
 
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March 02, 2023, 08:34:05 AM
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Prof. Momchil Panayotov is a member of the Dendrology department of University of Forestry, Sofia, Bulgaria. The gist is that the dead cedar's last discernible ring is from 1948, although we could be missing some material that rotted on the outer side of the trunk, which could translate to years. The second important observation is that the tree is completely rotten in the middle. The tree could have stopped forming rings but stood until it fell from the harsh weather. This could have happened in 1958-59 according to the expert. He can't tell when exactly it hit the ground. The mountain ash clearly showed that something happened to it in 1959. Camping always leaves traces on the trees. We could find the Dyatlov group campsite on this horrific night, as well as the geologists' camp which must have been nearby. The last reassuring news is that due to the cold climate trees in Ural can be preserved on the ground for centuries.
Screenshots for Part 2 of this interview →
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March 02, 2023, 11:52:11 AM
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Being smashed by a tree is the only theory I've come across that could actually cause those crushed ribs and that literally flattened skull.
 
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