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sarapuk:
But again I say, Poisoning or Drug Trips are hardly likely to help to explain how the Dyatlov Group met their demises, especially the ones with serious injuries.

Manti:

--- Quote from: CalzagheChick on May 07, 2018, 03:29:25 AM ---There was no individualistic mentality. To be communist, to be Soviet, you were not an individual at all but rather a piece of a larger picture and that larger picture was the concern--not individual woes/needs/wants.

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I would like to highlight two passages from their diaries:

This is from Yudin talking about the workers at the camp they stayed at:
"Read everything that they can get their hands on and do they sing ... Quietly, from the heart. The songs are old, long forgotten or never heard. Here they are ... It's so good!
Why don't we sing such good, already forgotten songs. And in general, we don't sing about the soul in places where there are some outsiders, it's not singing, not soulful, loud."

He seemed to be really fond of these songs.

This one is from the group diary, this entry written by Doroshenko:

"The boys started copying some songs. One man sang beautifully. We heard a number of illegal prison songs (Article 58 counter-revolutionary crimes)."

While he says the singing was beautiful, he also highlights these songs are illegal.

Everyone else's diary talks of the songs fondly. This I think points to certain levels of individualism and also, not most of them not being very "soviet". Or perhaps they just didn't know the songs were illegal.

 

--- Quote from: CalzagheChick on May 07, 2018, 03:29:25 AM ---These students, although accustomed already in their short lives to hard work, being poor,

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Some of them were in fact from upper middle-class families in Yekaterinburg, and one of them had a very well paid job in Moscow.

I don't disagree with the gist of what you write though.

Charles:

--- Quote from: CalzagheChick on May 07, 2018, 03:29:25 AM ---Drug culture would be against everything they'd been raised to believe in. It was against their very government. It was against their very patriotic duty. These students, although accustomed already in their short lives to hard work, being poor, and not having much more to aspire to than those things were still very proud to be Soviet communists.
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Hello CalzagheChick,

About drug culture in communist countries, see :


--- Quote ---A Communist LSD Trip
The Story of Czechoslovak Acid

The history of Czechoslovak LSD is one of the greatest phenomena of the second half of the 20th century. How come for almost a quarter of a century, in a communist state, thousands of people, including many popular artists such as Karel Gott, were able to use psychedelic drugs entirely legally?

In the autumn of 1952 (...) several young psychiatrists in Prague ingested for the first time a mysterious substance that had been sent from a laboratory in Basel. This is how the Czechoslovak adventure with LSD began.

The first to take advantage of this opportunity were artists, especially painters and graphic designers. Roubíček had acquaintances in the circles of artistic bohemia. So, he came up with the idea to invite some of them to take part in the experiment. In return, they were to express through visual means what other volunteers could only talk about.

Up until the end of the 1950s, studies involving the use of LSD had already been carried out in several psychiatric clinics in Czechoslovakia, with several dozen volunteers participating. However, this number was soon to reach hundreds or even thousands. In 1961, Prague’s pharmacists succeeded in creating a Czechoslovak equivalent of LSD. From that point onwards, psychiatrists there had access to virtually unlimited quantities of the substance.

Four years later, Spofa's pharmaceutical plant in Komarovo began a steady production of LSD under a local name, Lysergamid. In the first decade, millions of units of LSD were produced and distributed free of charge to Czechoslovak clinics and psychiatric hospitals.

https://przekroj.pl/en/society/a-communist-lsd-trip-aleksander-kaczorowski
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See also :

Abuse of Drugs other than Alcohol and Tobacco in the Soviet Union:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/152045

Charles:
Experimenting LSD in communist Czechoslovakia, the fascinating Looking for Toxin X (1962) :



Communist countries, including Soviet Union, liked a lot chemistry and molecules which better matched their materialistic doctrine than Freud's Psychoanalysis, banned as a "bourgeois" psychology.

The approach to drugs in communist countries, especially among the scientific elite, was certainly not of pure rejection, but something more complex.

In my opinion, it is not unthinkable that Daytlov group could have a tried some drug obtained from a colleague at university or anywhere. There is a higher probability they used a drug than they asked for forgiveness after rude words, argument or unpleasant behavior... as Yuri Yudin was the only one who ever wrote about reconciliation in his diary: the word "amnesty", just once.


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