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February 14, 2022, 11:56:30 AM
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Only 8 ski boots were found at all venues, including the tent inventory. There should have been 9 ski boots. Semyon and Tibo left their wet ski boots in the tent on their way into the forest. They wore Valenki. Because 7 pairs of valenki were found in the tent. Who was wearing the 9th boot that wasn't in the tent? We know that there are no boots in and around the tent. Then who was the 3rd person who went to the forest with Semyon and Tibo?... And how did he lose his boots there? Presumably, this person fell from a very high place into an icy creek. He was seriously injured. His feet watered. His friends pulled him out of the creek and covered his feet with cloth to avoid hypothermia. And they forgot the boots in the creek bed. Judging from the wounds she received and the bandages on her legs...was this unfortunate person Lyutmila?
 

February 14, 2022, 12:34:37 PM
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Radio message sent by the search team:
“2 March – At 18.30 hrs the group of Slobtsov and the Mansi, Kourikov, found Dyatlov’s depot 400 m from the rescue camp. In the storage were nineteen items of food with a total weight of 55 kg. Also found were some medical supplies and Dyatlov’s warm outer boots, plus one pair of spare ski boots, a mandolin, a set of batteries and a lamp, and a mounting set. The storage depot was found 500 meters below the top edge of the forest, in the upper sources of Auspiya river.”
 

February 14, 2022, 12:46:34 PM
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I know that boat. It was Dyatlov's spare boat. (male boat) I meant the boat that wasn't at the scene. Tent, cedar, den and slope.
 

February 14, 2022, 05:05:55 PM
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There should have been 9 ski boots. Semyon and Tibo left their wet ski boots in the tent on their way into the forest. They wore Valenki.
Semyon was found wearing boots, this is in the case files.

And how did he lose his boots there? Presumably, this person fell from a very high place into an icy creek. He was seriously injured.
There is no creek and there was no high place around it anywhere in that area. Please look at maps of the incident area (modern maps, satellite images, etc.) and read the the case files.
 

February 14, 2022, 10:10:48 PM
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Valenki or burqa ..doesn't matter, but not ski boots.
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February 14, 2022, 10:20:59 PM
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There should have been 9 ski boots. Semyon and Tibo left their wet ski boots in the tent on their way into the forest. They wore Valenki.
Semyon was found wearing boots, this is in the case files.

And how did he lose his boots there? Presumably, this person fell from a very high place into an icy creek. He was seriously injured.
There is no creek and there was no high place around it anywhere in that area. Please look at maps of the incident area (modern maps, satellite images, etc.) and read the the case files.
In modern photographs taken in summer, there are valleys of 2-3 meters in the upper springs of Lozvan, with a slope of 40 degrees. When it snows, this height rises to 6 -7 meters. I trust my knowledge of geography, cartography and terrain.
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February 15, 2022, 08:08:41 AM
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Valenki or burqa ..doesn't matter, but not ski boots.

Please read the case files. He was found in boots. Not valenki.
 

February 15, 2022, 09:06:27 AM
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Ok . Manti. I do not know about ski sports and equipment. Please inform me. Semyon ; Was he skiing in his Burka boots found at the crime scene?
Dyatlovpass.com
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March 3, 1959 at Ivdel airport all things from the location where the tent was found were spread out and protocoled: 9 parka, 8 quilted jackets (vatnik), 1 fur jacket, 2 fur sleeveless vests, 4 shell pants, 1 cotton pants, 4 Scarf, 13 pairs of gloves (fur, cloth and leather), 8 pairs of ski boots, 7 pcs boots (valenki), 2 pairs of slippers, 8 pairs of gaiters, 3 skating caps, 1 fur hat, 2 felt beret, 3 compass, 1 pocket watch, 2 Finnish knives (Tibo's and Krivo's) in their parkas, Kolevatov's Finnish knife in black leather sheath, 3 axes (2 large and 1 small in a leather case), 19 pcs overboots, 2 buckets, 2 pot, 2 flasks, 1 first aid kit. There was also a significant number of small items (socks, foot clothes, masks, toothbrushes) taken out of the backpacks, making it difficult to determine who did they belong to.
Special boots with supporting mechanism are produced for skiing. You cannot ski with ordinary boots. This website is my only source. and 8 ski boots are listed here.
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February 15, 2022, 01:29:50 PM
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Well, I have to apologize.. it looks like I'm wrong: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-349-351?rbid=17743
Zolotaryov was found in felt boots.
 

February 15, 2022, 03:26:03 PM
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Hello Osi,

yes, this question of the types of boots could be important. Thinking about that, I realize that the distribution of boots might tell us something of about the time when they left the tent.

First as Thibeaux and Zolotaryov had 2/2 shoes, Slobodin had 1/2 shoes and the others had 0/2, it is possible to assume that the incident took place in the morning or in the evening precisely when they were leaving the tent for the day or entering the tent for the night.

If in the morning : Thibeaux and Zolotaryov are already outside, maybe close to the door, Slobodin is putting his shoes on, the other are still deep inside the tent. If in the evening, the others are already deep inside the tent, Slobodin is taking his shoes off, Thibeaux and Zolotaryov are waiting outside to enter the tent.

Either in the morning or in the evening, the incident took place at the time when Slobodin had only one shoe on... and he had no time to put the second shoe, he had to leave the tent with only one shoe (!!!). It could have been so sudden, that the hiker who still (or already) had one shoe on, even didn't have enough time to put the second one on...

With the Dyatlov Pass Incident, any element is fascinating... it is pure madness.
 

February 15, 2022, 06:25:51 PM
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Makes sense, but wasn't the tent entrance found buttoned up apart from one button?  If some are waiting to go in/out I'm guessing the entrance would be undone?  Or is this another myth? 
 

February 16, 2022, 10:28:44 AM
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Hello Marieuk,

yes, I have heard about the entrance buttoned up. But " The tent stood sideways to the slope by the entrance to the east, the entrance was unbuttoned". They also say the two guys with shoes on could have been outside because they needed to urinate: they didn't cut the tent to have a pee... In any case, they had to use the entrance. And the camera on Zolotaryov could confort the time of incident at general exiting out at dawn or general entering at dusk.

If two are outside with shoes, one has only one shoe and the others are barefoot, this is the distribution of morning and evening preparations. The shoes were close to the door: they enter, take the shoes off and leave them at the entry, then go deeper in the tent with socks (so Russian)... If they were all barefoot when the incident took place, why only one hikers had 1/2 shoes ? If two hikers had time to put on their shoes, why didn't the rescuers find shoes scattered all over the tent ?

- "to the left of the entrance, this is where almost all the footwear of the hikers was piled up - 7 felt boots (valenki) and 6 pair of boots"

- "in the center of the tent to the right of the entrance were found 2 pair of shoes"

Shoes were carefully arranged. The sister of the lone valenka in the tent was found on Slobodin. Slobodin was changing when the incident happened (and also "At the entrance hung Slobodin's jacket") and he couldn't even put the second shoe on. The other valenka was just there close to him ! Pure madness !!!

PS: In the diaries, the hikers wrote they sewed curtains to make separations. I couldn't find details about where the curtains were installed... if they separated girls from boys, or established a kind of entrance hall with shoes and tools to spare the heat (there is a remark about heat related to the curtains), or both. The process to exit would be: entering the hall and close the curtain, put shoes on, exiting the tent and close entry... And in reverse to enter the tent. A buttoned up entry situating the incident rather in the evening when sparing heat was important than in the morning before to dismantle the tent. And if so, it means that Slobodin could not put his still warm valenka back on... 
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February 16, 2022, 10:55:39 AM
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I think they could have unbuttoned the tent, some people exit, then they button it up again to keep the wind out.

But then those who are outside spotted danger and tell the others to get out immediately. Maybe..
 

February 16, 2022, 07:39:50 PM
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Hi Charles and Manti

Thank you both for explaining.  It makes more sense to me now.  So many little details with different accounts of what actually happened!
 
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