Factual Information > Expeditions to the Dyatlov Pass
Ski trip-expedition-2023 to the Dyatlov Pass from 12.03.23-24.03.23
Ziljoe:
Thank you for the videos Олег Таймень.
I like to see the terrain and what might be possible.
Manti:
--- Quote from: Олег Таймень on March 31, 2023, 09:44:54 PM ---On March 17, they trampled down tracks 50-70 meters below the place of the tent.
On March 19, these footprints were filmed:
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2 day old footprints that look as eroded as the ones attributed to the Dyatlov group. I wonder how they would look after a month, probably completely blown away and not identifiable as a footprint any more.
Ziljoe:
--- Quote from: Manti on May 03, 2023, 02:49:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Олег Таймень on March 31, 2023, 09:44:54 PM ---On March 17, they trampled down tracks 50-70 meters below the place of the tent.
On March 19, these footprints were filmed:
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2 day old footprints that look as eroded as the ones attributed to the Dyatlov group. I wonder how they would look after a month, probably completely blown away and not identifiable as a footprint any more.
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They say raised foot prints can last for months under the right conditions.
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/04/raised-footprints-in-snow.html
"What actually happens is when you step in the snow, the snow gets compressed and hardens, and then the wind blows the loose snow away leaving the once sunken footprints standing hard and proud on the surface. Eventually, the hardened snow gets eroded as well, but it takes weeks or even months. Raised snow footprints can last quite a while before all traces of the footprints are eroded away.
Because it requires more than a gale to blow away snow, raised footprints are often taken as an indicator of windslab and in mountain slopes, as potential avalanche danger"
Manti:
Under the right conditions, sure. Are the conditions right on the slope of Kholat? Doesn't seem like it.
Anyway, I have been watching Олег's excellent videos and I am getting the sense that nothing the Dyatlov group did made any sense:
* They set up the tent in the most unsuitable place. It is the windiest, there is no firewood and the ground is hard ice, not snow. The forest is visible from there as a dark blob even in a blizzard
* They went to the forest without skis, even though deep snow that you sink into waist deep begins around the treeline
* They (some of them) went to the cedar which is on the other side if the stream, risking falling through the snow and getting wet. Again, waist deep snow all around the cedar area so they'd have had to crawl.
* They climbed the cedar, supposedly, to break off branches for a fire. There is abundant dry wood and bark closeby at arm height as Олег shows.
* Legend says they built a snow den in the snowbank of the stream. You not only risk getting wet but also are lying on rocks which are cold? As Oleg shows there is just no space for the flooring even if you dig a den
* They died 6-8 hours after their last meal, even though in the forest there's a lot of suitable firewood and they had matches and there is no apparent reason why they couldn't have sustained a fire All of these are nicely demonstrated in the videos. I'm not sure what to think now... they weren't running away from anything because in the forest you crawl at snail speed, the slope is icy so you slip if you are in socks/felt boots and try to run.
Ziljoe:
--- Quote from: Manti on May 03, 2023, 07:00:03 PM ---Under the right conditions, sure. Are the conditions right on the slope of Kholat? Doesn't seem like it.
Anyway, I have been watching Олег's excellent videos and I am getting the sense that nothing the Dyatlov group did made any sense:
* They set up the tent in the most unsuitable place. It is the windiest, there is no firewood and the ground is hard ice, not snow. The forest is visible from there as a dark blob even in a blizzard
* They went to the forest without skis, even though deep snow that you sink into waist deep begins around the treeline
* They (some of them) went to the cedar which is on the other side if the stream, risking falling through the snow and getting wet. Again, waist deep snow all around the cedar area so they'd have had to crawl.
* They climbed the cedar, supposedly, to break off branches for a fire. There is abundant dry wood and bark closeby at arm height as Олег shows.
* Legend says they built a snow den in the snowbank of the stream. You not only risk getting wet but also are lying on rocks which are cold? As Oleg shows there is just no space for the flooring even if you dig a den
* They died 6-8 hours after their last meal, even though in the forest there's a lot of suitable firewood and they had matches and there is no apparent reason why they couldn't have sustained a fire All of these are nicely demonstrated in the videos. I'm not sure what to think now... they weren't running away from anything because in the forest you crawl at snail speed, the slope is icy so you slip if you are in socks/felt boots and try to run.
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Good points and raises good counter questions for me.
* They set up the tent in the most unsuitable place. It is the windiest, there is no firewood and the ground is hard ice, not snow. The forest is visible from there as a dark blob even in a blizzardThe things I consider , maybe they had no choice but to pitch the tent there because of the weather or the weather was ok but they intended to go for wood after. We can see the hikers dig a hole in the slope and other videos show it being done. The day before there was a lot of wind so there may have been fresh snow drifts .
* They went to the forest without skis, even though deep snow that you sink into waist deep begins around the treeline
This seems to be the case. They seem to have had no choice.
* They (some of them) went to the cedar which is on the other side if the stream, risking falling through the snow and getting wet. Again, waist deep snow all around the cedar area so they'd have had to crawl.
The ceder seems to be the place with least snow, so they could at least stand. Even if snow is waste deep they had to try something. Maybe they did fall through the snow and get wet?. Could it be that the two Yuri's were separated by the ravine 4 falling and the other 3 then stuck on the other side and having to return to the tent? .
* They climbed the cedar, supposedly, to break off branches for a fire. There is abundant dry wood and bark closeby at arm height as Олег shows.
I'm not sure about the wood and this raises a question
* Legend says they built a snow den in the snowbank of the stream. You not only risk getting wet but also are lying on rocks which are cold? As Oleg shows there is just no space for the flooring even if you dig a den
It seems the den existed as per the photos, and there was space there. There is questions about the location of the ravine so I don't know which is the correct location . I agree that lying on rocks would not be a chosen option and not a planned survival strategy.
* They died 6-8 hours after their last meal, even though in the forest there's a lot of suitable firewood and they had matches and there is no apparent reason why they couldn't have sustained a fire
It is speculative that they died 6-8 hours after their last meal due to the process of understanding cold on the body. The firewood will be different quality every year. If damp and frozen then it will not burn, I believe this is why the Mansi stack their wood on their trails. However, even if poor wood , it is reasonable that there would have been a pile of unburned branches found by the searcher's.
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