Hello Ziljoe,
I've said a few times that once the little smelly guy does his spray, he's off, gone and no more part of the chain of events
Why would he disappear? He was succesful at his first meeting with the hikers and his confidence was high after that victory. He was very likely to follow through and he to seize the opportunity to spray the coward Russian hikers a second time in the same day. We know that wolverines are tenacious and they don't back easily. He had a first victory over 9 hikers, the ennemy was retreating in panic and after the tent he repeated the error to concentrate in a poorly defended position: the wolverine came and sprayed the 4 who had to evacuate the den in panic... Same cause, same effect... And the wolverine didn't enter the natural cave because his instinct told him these caves are fragile and can easily collapse. There is no reason to dismiss the smelly guy after the tent. It is not very kind of you by the way: calling the wolverine to explain the evacuation of the tent then dismissing him. You have also to explain the evacuation of the den. And the wolverine couln't do the job? And who knows if there was not a second wolverine? One at the tent to explain the evacuation, another one at the den to explain again the evacuation? If you want to dismiss the individual, you can't dismiss the specy.
what happened around the den , ceder and ravine is difficult to determine. But the lack of frostbite and other anomalies suggest the ravine 4 were not exposed to the cold for aslong as the others or died first.
Because they were killed at the beginning.
All the bodies of the ravine 4 are found under snow and the searchers were concerned about them being swept by the stream. The size could have been enough for them to crawl into and kick some space with their feet?
Yes these young Russian engineers firstly evacuated their tent because of the smell and chose death by cold. But they miraculously found a snow cave and they kicked in the walls of the cave to undermine them... These guys were dangerously stupid...
We don't know the exact layer of snow on the ground at the ravine 4 but the injuries suggest that yes it was close enough for a collapse to case those injuries, it is consistent with landcslide trama etc.
A lot of snow is needed to explain the broken ribs but bare rocks are needed to explain the skull fractures... you can't escape contradiction.
All these efforts of yours just seem to be classified under the category of anathemization of violence... too many efforts and complications for a result which is not convincing at all. Violence gives better explanations but it is violence.
Hi Charles,
I'll try to explain with my limited ability and knowledge.
The Wolverine would leave after the encounter. The Wolverine may spray it's food stash or territory with its marking spray. Common amoungst many animals.
When the Wolverine sprays it's defence spray it is different. It is not an attack spray to win victory, only to subdue it's attackers and flee. It's a toxic spray , so it may make its escape and avoid combat. The Wolverine is not afraid of fighting a bear or a wolf , if food resources are short it may do this. ( Some videos are on the web) . But if it' sprays it's defence spray that is it. He will move on to avoid it's perceived threat. The food or whatever the confrontation was , is not worth the effort.
I do not want to get Igor b's hypothesis wrong and it is my interpretation. But the basics are simple.
It's not about being stupid Russians or anything but limited risks. You must give the hikers the respect that they may not know what would happen to them with this spray, look at it from their perspective in 1959.they may have been concerned and thought it was to dangerous to go near the tent because of their reactions to the spray.
We have the dilated pupils , the search dogs reaction getting off the helicopter, the staining of clothes, hard compacted snow of a different density of surrounding snow over the ravine 4 .
For whatever reason they left the tent and if we swap the Wolverine out and replace it with , yeti, avalanche , people with a gun, UFO or a number of theories, they had to survive the the cold in some other way. It is logical to try a fire or some how dig a snow hole to battle the extreme cold.
Freezing of fluids in the skull is one possible reason for the fracture, another is the collapse of snow in a snow cave, hole.
I'm not trying to denounce violence as the cause. I'm am interested and respect Igor b's long journey to his conclusion on many of contradictions surrounding this mystery .
I do not rule out foul play or any theory , they all have valid points.
The top 3 for me and they are
1) Wolverine by Igor b , because or the explanation of the injuries.
2) teddy's because it looks at from a different perspective and looks at the communication and gives an explanation for the injuries
3) some kind of outsider involvement but there are many at this moment and fail to explain any detail.
Hope this helps.
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