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January 16, 2023, 07:51:09 AM
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Three powerful arguments against killing a group of tourists by a group of other people:
1. The dead have no gunshot or stab wounds.
2. Two out of nine participants suffered major injuries (rib injuries). Such an effort cannot be applied by a person or a group of persons.
Two more participants died from freezing. They were not subjected to physical force causing injury.
3. Professionals from military unit 6602, engaged in the search for fugitive prisoners and local foresters, did not determine that, in addition to the Dyatlov group, there are traces of movement to the pass and from it of some other group .. Traces of the Dyatlov group and their camps were easily found. Traces of movement and parking of the other group were not found.
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All three arguments together are powerful evidence of the non-involvement of suspected prisoners, poachers, miners, shamans, etc.


The above is mistaken.

1. The dead had no knife cuts or bullet wounds, because that would have proved that the nine had been murdered. Special police forces like the KGB are experts in making a killing look like an "accident," a "suicide" or "natural death." If the orchestrators of the killing wanted to avoid political unrest from the killings, it was imperative to kill them in such a way as to make it look like an accident.

2. The assumption that the crushed rib cages could not be caused by human attack is terribly mistaken. On the contrary, I have learned these very techiques which were likely used: Powerful elbow strikes from a trained close combat expert. I was also told that police forces in several countries use elbow strikes against the rib cage in order to forcefully incapacitate a person. My sensei Alain Sailly demonstrated and explained this use of elbow strikes.

3. The killings took place during the night between February 1 and February 2. The first search and rescue teams did not arrive at the area until February 26. The attackers almost certainly used skis, after a likely landing of a helicopter nearby. After almost one month, ski tracks would disappear partly or entirely. So it is not at all strange that traces of others were not found. That is what could be expected.

The bodies do not lie, and the injuries all indicate a carefully planned murder executed in such a way as to make it look like an accident.

The Dyatlov Pass tragedy was a murder, which in all likelihood was orchestrated and performed by the Soviet state.

Most significantly, the case was cut short - it was dictated from above that the tragedy must be said to be due to an accident:

https://dyatlovpass.com/investigation-materials-3?rbid=18461

Why would the state authorities demand a conclusion that it was an unfortunate accident?

It is all too clear, as if the injuries were not sufficiently telling.
 

January 16, 2023, 08:09:28 AM
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The bodies do not lie, and the injuries all indicate a carefully planned murder executed in such a way as to make it look like an accident.

The Dyatlov Pass tragedy was a murder, which in all likelihood was orchestrated and performed by the Soviet state.

Давайте, Вы перейдете от гипноза - к ответу на вопрос.
Зачем СССР нужны были только мертвые туристы группы Дятлова? Чем они мешали будучи живыми?
Я Вам его задаю во-второй раз и  у Вас - так нет ответа?

Let's move on from hypnosis to answering a question.
Why did the USSR need only dead tourists from the Dyatlov group? How did they get in the way of being alive?
I ask you for the second time and you - so there is no answer?
Between was and was not - the river of time. You have to be able to swim - not only in the water ...
 

January 18, 2023, 03:54:11 AM
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3. The killings took place during the night between February 1 and February 2. The first search and rescue teams did not arrive at the area until February 26. The attackers almost certainly used skis, after a likely landing of a helicopter nearby. After almost one month, ski tracks would disappear partly or entirely. So it is not at all strange that traces of others were not found. That is what could be expected.


The ski trail of the Dyatlov group is well preserved in the forest zone. Therefore, all other traces could not have disappeared. Fantasies from your head are untenable
Лыжный след группы Дятлова сохранился хорошо в лесной зоне. Поэтому, все другие следы не могли исчезнуть. Фантазии из вашей головы несостоятельны
Шапокляк сдвинутая старуха

The most documented version of the "Battle Mole Ricochet" at the link: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=6#p11
 

January 18, 2023, 03:57:52 AM
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1. The dead had no knife cuts or bullet wounds, because that would have proved that the nine had been murdered. Special police forces like the KGB are experts in making a killing look like an "accident," a "suicide" or "natural death." If the orchestrators of the killing wanted to avoid political unrest from the killings, it was imperative to kill them in such a way as to make it look like an accident.

2. The assumption that the crushed rib cages could not be caused by human attack is terribly mistaken. On the contrary, I have learned these very techiques which were likely used: Powerful elbow strikes from a trained close combat expert. I was also told that police forces in several countries use elbow strikes against the rib cage in order to forcefully incapacitate a person. My sensei Alain Sailly demonstrated and explained this use of elbow strikes.


Analyzing this text, I conclude: your sensei is the same couch expert as you are. You are two specialists in the softness level of sofa upholstery.
Анализируя этот текст, делаю вывод: ваш сэнсэй такой же диванный эксперт, как и вы. Вы два специалиста по уровню мягкости обшивки диванов.
Шапокляк сдвинутая старуха

The most documented version of the "Battle Mole Ricochet" at the link: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=6#p11
 

January 18, 2023, 04:51:10 AM
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You write about a fracture of 1-2 ribs. Injuries to a large number of ribs in one line cannot be caused by a person. Here you need a lot of force, comparable to hitting a car or a fallen tree. My opinion, as an option, is that these injuries were received on the third ridge of stones, where a large icing forms on the slope of Halatchakhl. On this ice there is evidence of search engines


This is incorrect.

Repeated hard elbow strikes to the rib cage create precisely this kind of injury. A trained person can easily generate the necessary force.
 

January 18, 2023, 04:58:36 AM
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The bodies do not lie, and the injuries all indicate a carefully planned murder executed in such a way as to make it look like an accident.

The Dyatlov Pass tragedy was a murder, which in all likelihood was orchestrated and performed by the Soviet state.

Давайте, Вы перейдете от гипноза - к ответу на вопрос.
Зачем СССР нужны были только мертвые туристы группы Дятлова? Чем они мешали будучи живыми?
Я Вам его задаю во-второй раз и  у Вас - так нет ответа?

Let's move on from hypnosis to answering a question.
Why did the USSR need only dead tourists from the Dyatlov group? How did they get in the way of being alive?
I ask you for the second time and you - so there is no answer?


The most likely explanation was that the nine unfortunates entered an area where they observed something no ordinary citizens were supposed to know about. However, that is a question that cannot be answered with certainty unless someone involved speaks.

What we do know, is that nine members of the Dyatlov group were killed, and that they were killed in such a way as to make it look like an accident.
 

January 18, 2023, 05:04:26 AM
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The most likely explanation was that the nine unfortunates entered an area where they observed something no ordinary citizens were supposed to know about. However, that is a question that cannot be answered with certainty unless someone involved speaks.

What we do know, is that nine members of the Dyatlov group were killed, and that they were killed in such a way as to make it look like an accident.
Мне не интересны Ваши бла-бла. Я спрашиваю перечислить всё что могло быть из таких опасных наблюдений.
Если у Вас нет вариантов таких опасных явлений, наблюдение которых - карается смертью, то просто прекратите свой гипноз.
Возьмите паузу. Или изучите тему глубже, или научитесь быть профессиональным гипнотизером. Суггестия - конечно страшная сила, но у Вас - её нет.

I'm not interested in your blah blah. I ask you to list everything that could be from such dangerous observations.
If you do not have options for such dangerous phenomena, the observation of which is punishable by death, then simply stop your hypnosis.
Take a break. Either study the topic in depth, or learn to be a professional hypnotist. Suggestion is, of course, a terrible force, but you don't have it.
Between was and was not - the river of time. You have to be able to swim - not only in the water ...
 
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January 18, 2023, 05:25:25 AM
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Analyzing this text, I conclude: your sensei is the same couch expert as you are. You are two specialists in the softness level of sofa upholstery.
Анализируя этот текст, делаю вывод: ваш сэнсэй такой же диванный эксперт, как и вы. Вы два специалиста по уровню мягкости обшивки диванов.
Все было вот так
Everything was like this



Between was and was not - the river of time. You have to be able to swim - not only in the water ...
 
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January 18, 2023, 10:04:37 AM
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Analyzing this text, I conclude: your sensei is the same couch expert as you are. You are two specialists in the softness level of sofa upholstery.
Анализируя этот текст, делаю вывод: ваш сэнсэй такой же диванный эксперт, как и вы. Вы два специалиста по уровню мягкости обшивки диванов.
Все было вот так
Everything was like this

Yes. Finnish special forces who happened to pass by
Да. Финский спецназ, который случайно проходил мимо
Шапокляк сдвинутая старуха

The most documented version of the "Battle Mole Ricochet" at the link: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=6#p11
 

January 20, 2023, 01:22:22 AM
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Yes. Finnish special forces who happened to pass by
Да. Финский спецназ, который случайно проходил мимо
Не, то были поляки, которых завел в лесные дебри - Иван Сусанин. Они как раз смогли к 1959 году, выйдя в 1619 году и пространствовав гораздо дольше уходящих из Египта евреев, - выйти более менее к людям.
Ими оказались советские туристы из Свердловска. С.А.Золотарев - кумекал по-польски. Он указал им дальнейший путь на Колыму.

No, they were Poles, whom Ivan Susanin led into the wilds of the forest. They just managed by 1959, having left in 1619 and having spent much longer than the Jews leaving Egypt, to go more or less to the people.
They were Soviet tourists from Sverdlovsk. S.A. Zolotarev - cumekal in Polish. He showed them the way forward to Kolyma.
Between was and was not - the river of time. You have to be able to swim - not only in the water ...