Theories Discussion > KGB / Radiation / Military involvement
air/space craft accident leading to military attack
Aspen:
Hi Wizzy, I appreciate your making that distinction. However, I don't see any reason at all for the military to kill these young people over a failed test. If the hikers happened to see something, and later brought up the matter to authorities, the military only need to say that they were 'only doing routine work on a project'. Which they do all the time. End of the story.
It would be completely illogical for the military to go out of its way to kill potential witnesses to a failed military test.
As for those who died from the Chernobyl incident, they died from nuclear exposure, not from direct action from the military. There is a world of difference.
wizzy:
if the news of a failed test, complete with potential pictures of an aicraft exploding, and testimonies of 9 intelligent learned university students made it out of russia, the image of the country would have suffered, particularly in that day and age of rush to space for technological supremacy.
lots of people in chernobyll (thousnads) died because of the INACTION of the autorities, that rather than admitting the incident, said it was not dangerous, and didn't evacuate a lot of civilians in time, causing their death.
i mentioned it because it proves that the russin government would rather have thousands of civilians die, rather than soiling the image of the country, it speaks a lot about the value they gave to human life... what is the death of 9 hikers against the image of mother russia? nothing.
the decision to stall the evacuation, and minimize the incident is as criminal as killing them with a bullet to the head.
Aspen:
The purpose of military tests is to find out deficiencies. Such tests sometimes go wrong. It is the nature of a test, nothing to get excited about.
Moreover, it is doubtful that the military would conduct a test in darkness. I think we all agree that the incident that drove the Dyatlov group out of their tent occurred at night. Another poster on this site (sorry, can’t remember who) with a military background pointed out that military tests are conducted in daylight so they can clearly see the performance of the equipment they are testing.
In the case of the Chernobyl incident, it is understood that the government initially failed to warn the population of the dangerous level of radiation. But there are many examples of other governmental bureaucracies that tried to cover up their failures, fully knowing that it will jeopardize others’ lives. In Canada there is the tainted blood scandal. In the USA, following the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Centre, the government initially claimed the dust was safe, when in fact they knew it contained significant amounts of asbestos which contaminated thousands of people, especially the first responders, who have yet to obtain support and compensation, and many have already died from this. These cover ups are about failing to inform and/or protect. This is vastly different from the military killing their own countrymen because they may have seen something.
gypsy:
--- Quote from: Aspen on June 26, 2019, 01:13:22 AM ---Moreover, it is doubtful that the military would conduct a test in darkness. I think we all agree that the incident that drove the Dyatlov group out of their tent occurred at night. Another poster on this site (sorry, can’t remember who) with a military background pointed out that military tests are conducted in daylight so they can clearly see the performance of the equipment they are testing.
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Agreed to an extent. On the other hand, there are areas of miltary tactics that are indeed rehearsed and conducted during night, e.g. navigation, paratrooper landings, night bombing (test usually not performed with real warheads, just marking flares and missiles without a real warhead), range tests or even biological/chemical weapons (in that case it makes sense to hide these kind activities from broad daylight)
I speculated before that if a military incident/test was supposed to take place, it had something to do with technology not to be known by the NATO states. The USSR/KGB was fully aware of the spyplanes monitoring the land. Hence we have a reason to test something at night in the remote area of Ural mountains. And as you said before, anything could have gone wrong.
Yes, most of the tests are conducted during daytime, but there are exceptions so we cannot rule this option out based on day/night premise.
Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: WAB on March 22, 2019, 05:50:37 AM ---If it so, please list those signs and the facts which speak about intervention of other people. If such arguments are not present, it will be too fantasy sign. If the person cannot explain to itself (and another) that occurs, it not occasion for this purpose what consider that there was malicious intention of other people.
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The signs and fact is told by the bodies and the autopsy reports.
The injuries suffered by the members of the Dyatlov group are consistent with attack by other humans.
There were no avalanches in the area.
There were no heights from which they could suffer lethal falls. Also, the injury patterns are not what is seen in fall accidents.
In conclusion, there were no kinds of natural phenomena that could force these nine resourceful people out from their tent without proper winter clothing.
There is every indication that the nine were forced out from their tent, then left to die in the cold. Because the temperature was too high, the victims did not perish soon. Then the attackers had to hunt down their victims, and dispatch them one by one. The injuries leave no doubt here.
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