I do not subscribe to the Ball Lightning Theory, or the Gas Theory. They all left the safety of the Tent leaving most of their belongings in the Tent to go into an exposed situation on a mountain side. They travel a mile or so to the edge of the forest. They start a fire. They climb a tree. They may have tried to build a Den. Is the Ball Lightning chasing them around for several hours ! ? DUBININA had some very severe injuries and they could not have been caused by Ball Lightning. Animal Mutilations are just that, animals that have been mutilated by something and that something is not Ball Lightning. Too many witnesses have been involved in Animal Mutilation Cases and I have found NO MENTION of Ball Lightning as being the cause.
I do not subscribe to the Ball Lightning Theory, or the Gas Theory. They all left the safety of the Tent leaving most of their belongings in the Tent to go into an exposed situation on a mountain side. They travel a mile or so to the edge of the forest. They start a fire. They climb a tree. They may have tried to build a Den. Is the Ball Lightning chasing them around for several hours ! ? DUBININA had some very severe injuries and they could not have been caused by Ball Lightning. Animal Mutilations are just that, animals that have been mutilated by something and that something is not Ball Lightning. Too many witnesses have been involved in Animal Mutilation Cases and I have found NO MENTION of Ball Lightning as being the cause.
It is true that after leaving the tent they lived a few more hours. I do not think the lighting ball was chasing them. If it were, they would run away and would not be organized. It could happen that more lighting ball were created in the given time interval. Or the lighting ball caused them to leave the tent, and then some accompanying physical and dangerous phenomenon that eventually formed killed the four at the ravine. The entire Ural region is strange, there are strange phenomena during many years. All the time I say, people and scientists still do not know about many physical phenomena on Earth. Something has driven them out of the tent, but it is clear from their behavior that outside the tent they did not feel threatened but unfortunately, the reality was different.
I do not subscribe to the Ball Lightning Theory, or the Gas Theory. They all left the safety of the Tent leaving most of their belongings in the Tent to go into an exposed situation on a mountain side. They travel a mile or so to the edge of the forest. They start a fire. They climb a tree. They may have tried to build a Den. Is the Ball Lightning chasing them around for several hours ! ? DUBININA had some very severe injuries and they could not have been caused by Ball Lightning. Animal Mutilations are just that, animals that have been mutilated by something and that something is not Ball Lightning. Too many witnesses have been involved in Animal Mutilation Cases and I have found NO MENTION of Ball Lightning as being the cause.
It is true that after leaving the tent they lived a few more hours. I do not think the lighting ball was chasing them. If it were, they would run away and would not be organized. It could happen that more lighting ball were created in the given time interval. Or the lighting ball caused them to leave the tent, and then some accompanying physical and dangerous phenomenon that eventually formed killed the four at the ravine. The entire Ural region is strange, there are strange phenomena during many years. All the time I say, people and scientists still do not know about many physical phenomena on Earth. Something has driven them out of the tent, but it is clear from their behavior that outside the tent they did not feel threatened but unfortunately, the reality was different.
But how do you know that they did not feel threatened outside the TENT ! ?
The colour of the deceased faces and hands but not bodies at their funerals (versus at the morgue).
Lyudmila's face.
The plume could be quite hot at source. The condition of the snow, sastrugi around the tent as reported by rescuers and as photographed (hotspot) suggests that the snow on this area of the hill had it's temperature raised close to melting.
After an autopsy was performed in Ivdel, the corpses were sent to the Sverdlovsk military morgue, where they conducted a second autopsy to determine the causes of death.
In the morgue, for the identification of the bodies of Igor Dyatlov and Rustem Slobodin, the tenth participant of the campaign, Yuri Yudin, arrived. He noticed the dark brown color of the opened and processed corpse of Igor Dyatlov, the color of the raw corpse of Rustem Slobodin was ordinary. Later, the children present at the funeral will speak about the unusual dark color of all the corpses.
In the acts of the FMS, the skin color of the corpses is described as reddish-purple, after the morgue, the skin color of the corpses changed and acquired a brown tint that was noticed at the funeral. Methanol in the digestive tract converts a dangerous poison - formaldehyde, This poison was in dead bodies. To neutralize formaldehyde use potassium permanganate (potassium permanganate). When formaldehyde interacts with potassium permanganate, a vigorous reaction takes place, accompanied by high temperature, as a result of which the formaldehyde boils and evaporates quickly. The skin color becomes yellow-brown.
For the treatment of corpses, in order to oxidize the methyl alcohol and evaporate formaldehyde from the bodies, apparently, potassium permanganate (manganese potassium) was used. After being treated with manganese, the corpses acquired a brownish color, this unusual dark color surprised those present at the funeral.
After many years, Vladimir Ivanovich would be the first to tell that he, a very young investigator, remembered how high-level KGB officers were present at the scene of the death of the same people as he, who warned about the special mode of investigation, how they took a subscription from not disclosing secrets for a period of 25 years, how journalists were not allowed to the search site, how innocent Mansi were interrogated in the cold, how terrible injuries were found in the dead, how barrels of alcohol were brought and forced physicians after the examination Oops wash in alcohol, and much, much more. Then, in tens of years, Vladimir Ivanovich will be interested in the fate of his first case, which has remained undisclosed for him.
Sud.med.ekspert regional bureau of forensic revived
Prosecutor Sverdlovsk Region State Counselor of Justice 3rd Class Klinov
prosecutor criminologist regional prosecutor ml. Counselor of Justice Ivanov, witnesses: Gordo, Naskichev
Revived put on the document print forensic scientist.
The deed was done, the true cause of death is hidden ...
The role of the orderly in the Ivdel morgue, due to the lack of such, had to be performed by Vladimir Ivanovich Korotaev.
He worked with corpses in order to transfer the organs of the dead to Sverdlovsk for histology (the conclusion of which is not in the file).
He, a 22-year-old investigator, was then surprised by one fact - after opening each corpse, everyone went to wash themselves with ethyl alcohol. For this, a barrel of alcohol was brought to the morgue.
Oxidation of methanol in the body occurs with the formation of stronger poisons - formaldehyde and formic acid. The antagonist (neutralizer, antidote) of methanol is ethanol (ethyl alcohol), which competes with methanol for oxidative enzymes and inhibits the formation of toxic methanol metabolites.
If methanol gets on the body or on the hands, they should be washed off with plenty of water. When methanol gets on spec. clothes, they should be removed, washed in warm water, and the body should be washed in the shower for at least 15 / pminut.
The morgue of the "p / i H-240" part of Ivdel. Korotaev V.I. attended the autopsy tel.
There was no soul in the Ivdel morgue, so they made it easier and more efficient - the methanol labeled with radioactive nuclide, which had frozen bodies impregnated, and which by chance could remain on the bodies of health workers, was neutralized with ethanol.
At that time, Henrietta Eliseevna Churkina, her V. Korotaev, was present in Ivdel. asked to make an examination of the tent.
She drew attention to the strange shade of the clothes of the dead, hung after processing on the street.
I was present at the medical examination of the corpses, which was conducted by Boris the Reborn. I remember well when they took off their clothes and hung them on the ropes, we immediately noticed that she had some strange light purple hue, although it was of very different colors.
I asked Boris: “Don't you think that clothes are processed with something?” He agreed.
In order to eliminate the possibility of erroneous use of methanol as an alcoholic drink, it is added with chemical ink or other dye of a dark color, which dissolves well in methanol, at the rate of 2-3 liters per 1000 liters of methanol.
All information from Ivdel stopped, all lived only rumors.
But, I guess that dont fit the piloted fireball narrative. whist1Nope, the morgue technicians washing themselves with dyed alcohol doesn't fit with anyone's narrative... Presumably they didn't experience dark orange brown hands? thanky1
I guess someone didnt read what I posted in its entirety. rolleyes1Yes it's part of my narrative that the nitric acid slowly converts the keratin in the skin to a dark orange colour but only when the bodies are thawed. It's a key component of my narrative that only the exposed parts of the body (face and hands) would adopt this colour which is exactly as described by the relatives. Usage of morgue chemicals would not have been so particular. Also look at Lyudmila's morgue photo, before an autopsy took place the face is described as yellow- brown.
You know ass well as I do the bodies were NOT found having a orange/brown tone.
Dont be mad because the FACTS do not fit your narrative.
only the exposed parts of the body (face and hands) would adopt this colour which is exactly as described by the relatives.
Usage of morgue chemicals would not have been so particular.
before an autopsy took place the face is described as yellow- brown.
it's part of my narrative that the nitric acid slowly converts the keratin in the skin to a dark orange colour but only when the bodies are thawed
I have watched some programmes about UFOs similar to this where an explanation was provided based on geological tremors. The strange noises are characteristic of such tremors and the event creates a huge electrical field that causes ionisation of the atmosphere and strange lights being seen.
I have watched some programmes about UFOs similar to this where an explanation was provided based on geological tremors. The strange noises are characteristic of such tremors and the event creates a huge electrical field that causes ionisation of the atmosphere and strange lights being seen.
In my experience, the photographer 99.9% of the time naturally captures their subject in the center of the frame. In this case the search group was the subject, so I would HIGHLY doubt there was anything significant happening above them as you allude to. I also HIGHLY doubt that if there was, that they would just be calmly standing there NOT even looking at it. I would also say, I have seen MANY old black/white photos in every scenario imaginable having dark spots like this. Usually the culprit is something like a finger, glove, hat, strap etc hanging out close to the lense, OR an error in the development process.Or it's a black cloud and the snow immediately in front of the photographer is darkened by something.
Enjoy, and thanks fo thumb1 r looking.
Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
In my experience, the photographer 99.9% of the time naturally captures their subject in the center of the frame. In this case the search group was the subject, so I would HIGHLY doubt there was anything significant happening above them as you allude to. I also HIGHLY doubt that if there was, that they would just be calmly standing there NOT even looking at it. I would also say, I have seen MANY old black/white photos in every scenario imaginable having dark spots like this. Usually the culprit is something like a finger, glove, hat, strap etc hanging out close to the lense, OR an error in the development process.Or it's a black cloud and the snow immediately in front of the photographer is darkened by something.
Enjoy, and thanks fo thumb1 r looking.
It would be nice if we had the negative....
Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
Are you talking geomagnetic storms created by solar activity? Or just aurora type storms? Or are tou talking geologically generated electric fields?
If there was a significant build of electrical charge and this charge was concentrated around a point or many many points, then there is a possibility that the charge can dissipate into the air and in doing so carry sufficient energy to cause chemical reactions and form ozone and possibly nitrogen dioxide. I have observed this effect myself using Piezo electric generators. The effect is quite interesting when observed in the dark. It creates a stream of illuminated (blue) charged particles that flow away from the point and you can smell the ozone.
If such a charge could be generated in geological structures and find a way for the charge to created ions in the air, then this could result in chemical reactions such as ozone and possibly nitrogen dioxide. It would also create a localised light show. This is suppose to have been observed during earth tremors.
It would be interesting to know what the geological make up of the area is?
I don't think the dark patch on the above photograph has anything to do with it though.
Looks like a typical high altitude 4 engine jet aircraft to me. There is a reason why there are 2 trails coming off each wing. The planes shiny fuselage is lit up by the setting sun and is traveling away from the viewer.it's an interesting argument for the second and third link but is clearly false for the first which sets the standard. In particular the contrails rotating around each other. Also they're quite thick but quite short. Quite different behaviour from normal contrails. But the first link blows any doubt out of the water. That is not an aircraft...
You'll like this link - http://contrailscience.com/short-sunlit-contrails-look-like-ufos/Looks like a typical high altitude 4 engine jet aircraft to me. There is a reason why there are 2 trails coming off each wing. The planes shiny fuselage is lit up by the setting sun and is traveling away from the viewer.it's an interesting argument for the second and third link but is clearly false for the first which sets the standard. In particular the contrails rotating around each other. Also they're quite thick but quite short. Quite different behaviour from normal contrails. But the first link blows any doubt out of the water. That is not an aircraft...
Your literally looking right up its azz, of course its going to look big as the furthest back from the plane has expanded. Think of a long conical taper.It's interesting because both conventional planes, meteorites, fireballs are all leaving a trail of hot vapour behind them to possibly reflect the setting sun.
I dunno what your first link is, but the dark smoke makes me think its not simply water vapor or similar. Burning junk makes dark dirty smoke. It looks a lot like all the Nibiru or "planet X" pics people wonk about.
(http://www.bobfletcherinvestigations.com/uploads/3/7/6/4/37643205/6496201.jpg?463)
I can't resist a post with these links :-
Fire orb over Canada - https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/beyond-science/2014/2448116.html
Fire orb over Mexico - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4s3evMGF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4s3evMGF0)
Fire orb over Brazil - https://www.zikazoom.com/zika-science/ufo-2017-falling-ufo-fireball-caught-on-camera-over-brazil/ (https://www.zikazoom.com/zika-science/ufo-2017-falling-ufo-fireball-caught-on-camera-over-brazil/)
You'll like this link - http://contrailscience.com/short-sunlit-contrails-look-like-ufos/Looks like a typical high altitude 4 engine jet aircraft to me. There is a reason why there are 2 trails coming off each wing. The planes shiny fuselage is lit up by the setting sun and is traveling away from the viewer.it's an interesting argument for the second and third link but is clearly false for the first which sets the standard. In particular the contrails rotating around each other. Also they're quite thick but quite short. Quite different behaviour from normal contrails. But the first link blows any doubt out of the water. That is not an aircraft...
Why are you posting lots of links of airplanes in the sky ! ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge-gPIgsB9g
You can leave the sound off.
Alternatively just keep repeating "or is it a fireorb?". Works for me....declare1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsnNXSwMxZA
Much better soundtrack, no negative waves just funky plumes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-MqiCAGPo
Soundtrack not so good, no funky music.
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/mystery-fire-ball-ufo-spotted-2383390 (https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/mystery-fire-ball-ufo-spotted-2383390)
At last a link with fire ball in the title.
Click the image to get the second photo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAoHLbQsvrg
1.50 thru to 4.10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbkKAHwyj4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXNnb1fBUUs
I like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDS5wsl2dk
2.43 - 5.09
At least 6 trails.Trails not parallel, appearance is of 3 possibly 4 closely grouped distinct sources each emitting 2 plumes.
Makes a 90degree turn with no change of appearance.No funky music.
I like the testimonies in this link provided by Monika in another thread. - https://sites.google.com/site/mezoelectric/dyatlov-pass-incident-1
Err it made a sharp left hand turn?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDS5wsl2dk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDS5wsl2dk)
2.43 - 5.09
At least 6 trails.Trails not parallel, appearance is of 3 possibly 4 closely grouped distinct sources each emitting 2 plumes.
Makes a 90degree turn with no change of appearance.No funky music.
Probably Space Junk or Meteors or whatever breaking up.
Introducing the M triangle :-I like the testimonies in this link provided by Monika in another thread. - https://sites.google.com/site/mezoelectric/dyatlov-pass-incident-1 (https://sites.google.com/site/mezoelectric/dyatlov-pass-incident-1)
Yes its an interesting article. And its worth studying. It may well be that some parts of the Earth are susceptible to strange and unknown or unexplainable forces. Like the so called Bermuda Triangle. But its a difficult one to investigate because when one of these occurrences occure there is no one around with any scientific equipment that could measure or analyse what is going on. Apparently in March there will be some kind of scientific investigation at The Dyatlov Pass, but will this go any way to explaining the mysterious lights in the sky. I doubt that any lights will make themselves available for the investigation.
Err it made a sharp left hand turn?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDS5wsl2dk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDS5wsl2dk)
2.43 - 5.09
At least 6 trails.Trails not parallel, appearance is of 3 possibly 4 closely grouped distinct sources each emitting 2 plumes.
Makes a 90degree turn with no change of appearance.No funky music.
Probably Space Junk or Meteors or whatever breaking up.
Hell, I have a 'S' triangle in my backyard.Ah but mine is in the DP's backyard...
[Feel free to educate me on how space junk/meteors traveling at thousands of mph calmly change direction by say 90 degrees...
Well actually thats possible, nothing out of the ordinary with that.
Hell, I have a 'S' triangle in my backyard.Ah but mine is in the DP's backyard...
Are these candidates for fire orbs?The "funky plumes" vid is probably a plane hidden by an opaque atmosphere (love the soundtrack and title though kewl1 ). But the others don't really fit as planes? The recurring pattern is that the plumes are ejected at an angle to the direction of travel.. The last vid had at least 3 pairs each with unique angles? This makes it highly unlikely that they're man made? The only object I can think of that copies this behaviour is a comet but these are clearly within Earth's atmosphere. Once you've excluded all the other theories the one that is left is the answer?
It is logical that high flying UFOs will get photographed more frequently. As said before the NO2/N2O theory doesn't require any swooping. They exit the tent and are prevented from returning by an acrid toxic cloud which is also imo the best explanation for Chivruay. The "fire orb theory as seriously considered by the man central to the investigation and witness to all the evidence" suggests that BL was involved in the ravine deaths either by mechanical force, by explosion and possibly including a process similar to cattle mutilation.Hell, I have a 'S' triangle in my backyard.Ah but mine is in the DP's backyard...
Except everything you show is high altitude UFO and IFO events. Nothing that swoops down hillsides and selectively targets its victims three separate times at three separate locations.
[Feel free to educate me on how space junk/meteors traveling at thousands of mph calmly change direction by say 90 degrees...
Well actually thats possible, nothing out of the ordinary with that.
Are these candidates for fire orbs?
Are these candidates for fire orbs?The "funky plumes" vid is probably a plane hidden by an opaque atmosphere (love the soundtrack and title though kewl1 ). But the others don't really fit as planes? The recurring pattern is that the plumes are ejected at an angle to the direction of travel.. The last vid had at least 3 pairs each with unique angles? This makes it highly unlikely that they're man made? The only object I can think of that copies this behaviour is a comet but these are clearly within Earth's atmosphere. Once you've excluded all the other theories the one that is left is the answer?
It is logical that high flying UFOs will get photographed more frequently. As said before the NO2/N2O theory doesn't require any swooping. They exit the tent and are prevented from returning by an acrid toxic cloud which is also imo the best explanation for Chivruay. The "fire orb theory as seriously considered by the man central to the investigation and witness to all the evidence" suggests that BL was involved in the ravine deaths either by mechanical force, by explosion and possibly including a process similar to cattle mutilation.Hell, I have a 'S' triangle in my backyard.Ah but mine is in the DP's backyard...
Except everything you show is high altitude UFO and IFO events. Nothing that swoops down hillsides and selectively targets its victims three separate times at three separate locations.
Further wrt to "swooping", UFO accounts regularly state that the objects have approached and followed the witness(s) sometimes with negative outcomes (the assumption being that fatal outcomes get reported less...).
"machine gun fire, or bombs, etc.". Duh? rolleyes1 rolleyes1 rolleyes1It is logical that high flying UFOs will get photographed more frequently. As said before the NO2/N2O theory doesn't require any swooping. They exit the tent and are prevented from returning by an acrid toxic cloud which is also imo the best explanation for Chivruay. The "fire orb theory as seriously considered by the man central to the investigation and witness to all the evidence" suggests that BL was involved in the ravine deaths either by mechanical force, by explosion and possibly including a process similar to cattle mutilation.Hell, I have a 'S' triangle in my backyard.Ah but mine is in the DP's backyard...
Except everything you show is high altitude UFO and IFO events. Nothing that swoops down hillsides and selectively targets its victims three separate times at three separate locations.
Further wrt to "swooping", UFO accounts regularly state that the objects have approached and followed the witness(s) sometimes with negative outcomes (the assumption being that fatal outcomes get reported less...).
I would have thought that low flying UFO's would be more likely to be witnessed and photographed. Havnt we touched upon this ACRID TOXIC CLOUD before and the reason why its highly unlikely. For people to completely abandon a safe refuge and put themselves in extreme danger the thing causing this action would need to be such that it virtually scared the living daylights out of them. Poison gas was used in the Trenches in WW1 as you know. People didnt just pop up out of those Trenches and run wildly over no mans land etc. Why ? Because they knew they would die virtually instantly by machine gun fire, or bombs, etc. So they stayed calm despite the terrible injuries being caused by the POISON GAS. You are saying that the Dyatlov Group faced with a similar POISON GAS situation decided to PANIC ! As for the FIRE ORBS, again, you seriously believe that Ball Lightning was involved in the Ravine deaths. And you mention possibly by a process similar to Cattle Mutilation. Scientists are still debating the Ball Lightning phenomenon, and there is nothing to suggest that whatever it is is responsible for Cattle Mutilations. How wrong can your theory be ! ?
One for the "low flying" skeptics
(https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/photo-optimized1.jpg)
https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/2-see-triangular-ufo-with-orange-plume-above-it/
The photo doesnt tell us much.I think it tells us that it's low flying...
The photo doesnt tell us much.I think it tells us that it's low flying...
Looks like sunlight sneaking through a gap in the clouds.(https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/sketch-optimized.jpg)
You can tell its dusk..... Ever taken off in an aircraft at cloudy dusk and seen what it looks like above the clouds?We saw an orange light flying across the skies very slowly. It looked like that the top of it was on fire had an orange plume swaying back and forth with straight laser beam lights coming straight out the top of it. It was very strange. Here is a picture and close up. The photo was taken in Milford, Ohio in Clermont County last Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:35 PM. The object was heading north.
I see several smaller areas in that photo that look similar...... sunset light coming through small gaps in thin clouds.
Sound like someone saw sunwrays and light shining through a void in the clouds that traveled at the peed of...... clouds.Nonsense.
https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
and the witness reported feeling nauseous.https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state (https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state)(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
That could be a drone with a flashlight controlled by local kids.
and the witness reported feeling nauseous.https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state (https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state)(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
That could be a drone with a flashlight controlled by local kids.
I'm not claiming an outer space origin. I'm claiming an electro magnetic origin. Like lightning but contained in a ball. Some people even use the term ball lightning.and the witness reported feeling nauseous.https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state (https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state)(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
That could be a drone with a flashlight controlled by local kids.
There are too many possible causes of nausea to establish a direct connection to the lights. If we say so for the sake of the argument, photosensitivity may even trigger seizures in certain people. That still could be a drone with a flashlight... or something else of course. The balance of probability is on the drone's side when compared to some outer space origin of that light.
I'm not claiming an outer space origin. I'm claiming an electro magnetic origin. Like lightning but contained in a ball. Some people even use the term ball lightning.and the witness reported feeling nauseous.https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state (https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state)(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
That could be a drone with a flashlight controlled by local kids.
There are too many possible causes of nausea to establish a direct connection to the lights. If we say so for the sake of the argument, photosensitivity may even trigger seizures in certain people. That still could be a drone with a flashlight... or something else of course. The balance of probability is on the drone's side when compared to some outer space origin of that light.
Hey is that why i'm posting on a thread called.....
Wait for it......
Drum roll.
The Real Ball Lightning theory!!
Full reportI'm not claiming an outer space origin. I'm claiming an electro magnetic origin. Like lightning but contained in a ball. Some people even use the term ball lightning.and the witness reported feeling nauseous.https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state (https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state)(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
That could be a drone with a flashlight controlled by local kids.
There are too many possible causes of nausea to establish a direct connection to the lights. If we say so for the sake of the argument, photosensitivity may even trigger seizures in certain people. That still could be a drone with a flashlight... or something else of course. The balance of probability is on the drone's side when compared to some outer space origin of that light.
Hey is that why i'm posting on a thread called.....
Wait for it......
Drum roll.
The Real Ball Lightning theory!!
Drone is still more plausible explanation for the light in the picture. I am only judging by the picture as we don't have more data. Nausea of the witness is inconclusive at best.
To sum up, we have witnesses who claim to have seen a flying object with bright lights, in urban-populated area, at low altitude, with (almost) no noise, hovering and wobbling. To me, the description fits a drone with high-power LED lights controlled by somebody in the area for fun. This can be easily built from stuff on ebay.The light was very bright, nearly blinding, so they stopped to view the craft better and described it as very large, totally silent with blinking lights that flew over their car and then toward the nearby mountain and over it.”
It would be more interesting if that happened in remote area but I prefer to be sceptical about this one. Let alone the connection of lights in the sky with unexplained deaths, unless they are attributed to explosives, chemical weapons, space junk etc...
Link below is an eshop with aerial LEDs for drones, there are some videos, too.
https://www.stratusleds.com/aerial-leds/ (https://www.stratusleds.com/aerial-leds/)
To sum up, we have witnesses who claim to have seen a flying object with bright lights, in urban-populated area, at low altitude, with (almost) no noise, hovering and wobbling. To me, the description fits a drone with high-power LED lights controlled by somebody in the area for fun. This can be easily built from stuff on ebay.The light was very bright, nearly blinding, so they stopped to view the craft better and described it as very large, totally silent with blinking lights that flew over their car and then toward the nearby mountain and over it.”
It would be more interesting if that happened in remote area but I prefer to be sceptical about this one. Let alone the connection of lights in the sky with unexplained deaths, unless they are attributed to explosives, chemical weapons, space junk etc...
Link below is an eshop with aerial LEDs for drones, there are some videos, too.
https://www.stratusleds.com/aerial-leds/ (https://www.stratusleds.com/aerial-leds/)
Interesting video, thanks.To sum up, we have witnesses who claim to have seen a flying object with bright lights, in urban-populated area, at low altitude, with (almost) no noise, hovering and wobbling. To me, the description fits a drone with high-power LED lights controlled by somebody in the area for fun. This can be easily built from stuff on ebay.The light was very bright, nearly blinding, so they stopped to view the craft better and described it as very large, totally silent with blinking lights that flew over their car and then toward the nearby mountain and over it.”
It would be more interesting if that happened in remote area but I prefer to be sceptical about this one. Let alone the connection of lights in the sky with unexplained deaths, unless they are attributed to explosives, chemical weapons, space junk etc...
Link below is an eshop with aerial LEDs for drones, there are some videos, too.
https://www.stratusleds.com/aerial-leds/ (https://www.stratusleds.com/aerial-leds/)
Yes, no problem with that. Fog lights for cars have standard power of 100-160W In most countries it is actually illegal to use in urban area or close to other cars in traffic because they could blind drivers going the other way. It is possible to buy a LED of 1000W of power attachable to a drone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1xYyGom1g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1xYyGom1g)) It is 10 times more powerful than a standard automotive fog lights and you can find many other videos of drones equiped with powerful LEDs that most people would describe in the same manner.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039908/Out-world-Incredible-video-appears-UFO-arriving-earth-wormhole.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039908/Out-world-Incredible-video-appears-UFO-arriving-earth-wormhole.html)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/16/09/3B6F726C00000578-4039908-image-a-1_1481879375593.jpg)
Let's not say "UFO arriving at earth in a worm hole".
Instead lets say "Discharging ion stream creating a blue/violet glow from excited nitrogen" Hmm.
Well i can post reports of "ufos" that fit the visual requirements, i can't confirm that NO2 is there, just that they look right, e.g. NO2 is orange at modest temperatures and dark brown to black at higher temps so all i can do is post photos and videos that fit :-
Is there an example of this happening near the earth surface? I mean that the NO2 theory is fairy consistent but we need to establish a connection between the ion streams in the pictures and the poisoning of people out in the open. I think it's possible to take it from the other end a first find out the concentration level of poisonous gas to be "weaponized" a then find out what energy is required to reach that level, considering it is not in a closed chamber.
Looks like sunlight sneaking through a gap in the clouds.
https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
I'm not claiming an outer space origin. I'm claiming an electro magnetic origin. Like lightning but contained in a ball. Some people even use the term ball lightning.and the witness reported feeling nauseous.https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state (https://www.mufon.com/cases-of-interest-blog/tennessee-a-top-six-ufo-sighting-state)(https://www.mufon.com/uploads/2/5/2/2/25220163/published/case-85762.jpg?1534295769)
Another low flying orb, this one is interesting because Ivanov spoke of "heat rays".
That could be a drone with a flashlight controlled by local kids.
There are too many possible causes of nausea to establish a direct connection to the lights. If we say so for the sake of the argument, photosensitivity may even trigger seizures in certain people. That still could be a drone with a flashlight... or something else of course. The balance of probability is on the drone's side when compared to some outer space origin of that light.
Hey is that why i'm posting on a thread called.....
Wait for it......
Drum roll.
The Real Ball Lightning theory!!
It's official, fire balls are common - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3118671/Mapping-90-years-UFO-sightings-Fireballs-commonly-seen-egg-shaped-craft-rarer-Maine-hotspot.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039908/Out-world-Incredible-video-appears-UFO-arriving-earth-wormhole.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039908/Out-world-Incredible-video-appears-UFO-arriving-earth-wormhole.html)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/16/09/3B6F726C00000578-4039908-image-a-1_1481879375593.jpg)
Let's not say "UFO arriving at earth in a worm hole".
Instead lets say "Discharging ion stream creating a blue/violet glow from excited nitrogen" Hmm.
Well i can post reports of "ufos" that fit the visual requirements, i can't confirm that NO2 is there, just that they look right, e.g. NO2 is orange at modest temperatures and dark brown to black at higher temps so all i can do is post photos and videos that fit :-
Is there an example of this happening near the earth surface? I mean that the NO2 theory is fairy consistent but we need to establish a connection between the ion streams in the pictures and the poisoning of people out in the open. I think it's possible to take it from the other end a first find out the concentration level of poisonous gas to be "weaponized" a then find out what energy is required to reach that level, considering it is not in a closed chamber.
Posted this before -
http://ufosightingshotspot.blogspot.com/2014/07/bow-hunter-captured-strange-ufo-in.html
Just found this -
https://wakonda666.blogspot.com/2018/07/very-weird-ufo-caught-over-asbyrgi.html
The pattern is of objects that are of white, orange, black colours. Black for hot NO2, orange for cooler NO2, white for water vapour.
All the "plume" photos i've posted have shown orange mixed with white. This is my favourite :-
(https://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/30080/images/shotufo.png)
Note how the plumes seem to be ejected from the "poles" as if under the control of an electric or magnetic field.
This is near the ground -
https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/2-see-triangular-ufo-with-orange-plume-above-it/ (https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/2-see-triangular-ufo-with-orange-plume-above-it/)
The Chivruay photo might be the best answer to your question :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
I struggle with the plane theory....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJWQeLWkZ4
Click on the text "YouTube" in the bottom left corner an read the comments.I struggle with the plane theory....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJWQeLWkZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJWQeLWkZ4)
So what are the details ! ? Where, when, time, who took the video, with what did they take the video, etc.
If the negative exists it answers the question ditto other copies?Well i can post reports of "ufos" that fit the visual requirements, i can't confirm that NO2 is there, just that they look right, e.g. NO2 is orange at modest temperatures and dark brown to black at higher temps so all i can do is post photos and videos that fit :-
Is there an example of this happening near the earth surface? I mean that the NO2 theory is fairy consistent but we need to establish a connection between the ion streams in the pictures and the poisoning of people out in the open. I think it's possible to take it from the other end a first find out the concentration level of poisonous gas to be "weaponized" a then find out what energy is required to reach that level, considering it is not in a closed chamber.
Posted this before -
http://ufosightingshotspot.blogspot.com/2014/07/bow-hunter-captured-strange-ufo-in.html (http://ufosightingshotspot.blogspot.com/2014/07/bow-hunter-captured-strange-ufo-in.html)
Just found this -
https://wakonda666.blogspot.com/2018/07/very-weird-ufo-caught-over-asbyrgi.html (https://wakonda666.blogspot.com/2018/07/very-weird-ufo-caught-over-asbyrgi.html)
The pattern is of objects that are of white, orange, black colours. Black for hot NO2, orange for cooler NO2, white for water vapour.
All the "plume" photos i've posted have shown orange mixed with white. This is my favourite :-
(https://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/30080/images/shotufo.png)
Note how the plumes seem to be ejected from the "poles" as if under the control of an electric or magnetic field.
This is near the ground -
https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/2-see-triangular-ufo-with-orange-plume-above-it/ (https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/2-see-triangular-ufo-with-orange-plume-above-it/)
The Chivruay photo might be the best answer to your question :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
The CHIVRUAY photo looks distinctly like a common occurrence in old type films taken with the older type of cameras. I used to develop and print such photos and often you would end up with the kind of thing you see in the CHIVRUAY photo.
Wrt the Chivruay photo the wind direction was given as W N W which would fit with the very black section of the top left corner being part of a plume from an upwind object. It wouldn't fit if this very dark section was at any of the other three corners. So you would have to argue for a 1 in 4 coincidence that the worst deterioration fits the plume theory.
N.B. it can be argued that the dark patches of snow fit the NO2 theory as cooled/condensed NO2. I.e. all of the photo could be genuine.
You don't need microwaves to create NO2 and hence nitric acid, simple electrical discharges will suffice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep23ds4cZs4
So if the high winds, strong wind sheer and snow can continually produce lots of ionisation then you can have a lightning factory, producing NO2/HNO3 and the swirling storm mixing the gas into an acid aerosol/mist to be encountered by the group downwind.
Now the enclosed volume of the tent will offer some limited protection to the poisonous mist outside, unless you go outside to relieve yourself... So that gives an explanation for the asymmetry of exposure. YuriD dying quite early and others having a range of orange/brown colour, YuriD being substantially darker than Zinaida for instance. One witness noted in the morgue that Rustem's face seemed normal whilst Igor's had darkened.
However the acid is landing on the outside of the tent and weakening the weave, n.b. the canvas will be proofed and should not display bleaching but the wind will be forcing acidic water deeper into the weave, i.e. into the back of the fabric.... So it starts to tear and the air inside the tent is becoming more acrid. The group is starting to panic. YuriD is coughing and wheezing. Dyatlov pushes his jacket into one of the tears to try and seal it. But another opens up, more poisonous air. Strangely it's getting warm. Then there is a big "pulse" and the inside of the tent becomes intolerable, suffocating. People escape as fast as they can, no time to collect stuff they have to get away from this location to be able to breathe. Semyon and Nicolai are elsewhere on the ridge taking photos of the light show over at Kholat. They return via a different route avoiding this mist that smells strange.
You don't need microwaves to create NO2 and hence nitric acid, simple electrical discharges will suffice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep23ds4cZs4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep23ds4cZs4)
So if the high winds, strong wind sheer and snow can continually produce lots of ionisation then you can have a lightning factory, producing NO2/HNO3 and the swirling storm mixing the gas into an acid aerosol/mist to be encountered by the group downwind.
Now the enclosed volume of the tent will offer some limited protection to the poisonous mist outside, unless you go outside to relieve yourself... So that gives an explanation for the asymmetry of exposure. YuriD dying quite early and others having a range of orange/brown colour, YuriD being substantially darker than Zinaida for instance. One witness noted in the morgue that Rustem's face seemed normal whilst Igor's had darkened.
However the acid is landing on the outside of the tent and weakening the weave, n.b. the canvas will be proofed and should not display bleaching but the wind will be forcing acidic water deeper into the weave, i.e. into the back of the fabric.... So it starts to tear and the air inside the tent is becoming more acrid. The group is starting to panic. YuriD is coughing and wheezing. Dyatlov pushes his jacket into one of the tears to try and seal it. But another opens up, more poisonous air. Strangely it's getting warm. Then there is a big "pulse" and the inside of the tent becomes intolerable, suffocating. People escape as fast as they can, no time to collect stuff they have to get away from this location to be able to breathe. Semyon and Nicolai are elsewhere on the ridge taking photos of the light show over at Kholat. They return via a different route avoiding this mist that smells strange.
Presumably they all walked about a mile in very severe weather conditions. Conditions that they knew would endanger their lives if not properly equipped. They would have had time to get their senses together and not just amble off for such a distance. So wouldnt it have been better just to stay fairly local to the TENT rather than amble off all that way. Talk of GAS etc doesnt amount to anything if common sense is thrown out of the TENT. Are you saying that the GAS affected them all that much that they didnt know what they were doing.
At the temperatures on the mountain NO2 would be close to if not a frozen powdery dust. It would only become reactive and corrosive on contact with something warmer. The inside of the tent would be somewhat warmer, and certainly if it got on heir skin, eyes or in their lungs where it turn back to corrosive toxic gas.The lightning (arcing?) would warm things up and also convert snow / water vapour into steam to condense as a mist/aerosol containing dissolved no2 converting to nitric acid. So i don't see the cold as an issue.
I think it is parts per million that is toxic rather than parts per billion.
There still not enough evidence though. Yellow skin, one potential Edema. It's not enough. Where is the toxicology report?You've missed out enlarged aortas. Nitrogen oxides occur naturally in the body, nitric oxide is essential to life and indeed sex (viagra) and can decompose into NO2 so i think this could be a challenge for modern toxicology never mind 1959.'s The pathologist noted foam in YuriD's lungs. The best chance perhaps would be to analyse the skin. But it seems the main nitric acid / keratin reaction occurred after the autopsies and any discoloration during them wasn't identified or confused with decomposition or contamination in the field perhaps.
You don't need microwaves to create NO2 and hence nitric acid, simple electrical discharges will suffice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep23ds4cZs4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep23ds4cZs4)
So if the high winds, strong wind sheer and snow can continually produce lots of ionisation then you can have a lightning factory, producing NO2/HNO3 and the swirling storm mixing the gas into an acid aerosol/mist to be encountered by the group downwind.
Now the enclosed volume of the tent will offer some limited protection to the poisonous mist outside, unless you go outside to relieve yourself... So that gives an explanation for the asymmetry of exposure. YuriD dying quite early and others having a range of orange/brown colour, YuriD being substantially darker than Zinaida for instance. One witness noted in the morgue that Rustem's face seemed normal whilst Igor's had darkened.
However the acid is landing on the outside of the tent and weakening the weave, n.b. the canvas will be proofed and should not display bleaching but the wind will be forcing acidic water deeper into the weave, i.e. into the back of the fabric.... So it starts to tear and the air inside the tent is becoming more acrid. The group is starting to panic. YuriD is coughing and wheezing. Dyatlov pushes his jacket into one of the tears to try and seal it. But another opens up, more poisonous air. Strangely it's getting warm. Then there is a big "pulse" and the inside of the tent becomes intolerable, suffocating. People escape as fast as they can, no time to collect stuff they have to get away from this location to be able to breathe. Semyon and Nicolai are elsewhere on the ridge taking photos of the light show over at Kholat. They return via a different route avoiding this mist that smells strange.
Presumably they all walked about a mile in very severe weather conditions. Conditions that they knew would endanger their lives if not properly equipped. They would have had time to get their senses together and not just amble off for such a distance. So wouldnt it have been better just to stay fairly local to the TENT rather than amble off all that way. Talk of GAS etc doesnt amount to anything if common sense is thrown out of the TENT. Are you saying that the GAS affected them all that much that they didnt know what they were doing.
Taraaa!!!
https://www3.epa.gov/ttnchie1/ap42/ch14/final/c14s03.pdf
The N2O emission factor for each lightning flash is:0.14 grams N2O/flash
For chronic exposure to nitrous oxide, it is recommended that the maximum exposure be 20 parts per billion (expressing a ratio between nitrous oxide and breathable air), and for acute exposures, no more than 100 parts per billion for one hour.
https://www.oxfordtreatment.com/nitrous-oxide/overdose/
I think the shape of the Ural mountains and Kholat is the key here rather than the geology. Strong westerly winds have little to get in their way before hitting the Urals. The wind above 1200 metres has no obstruction at all but at Kholat the westerly ridge directs the wind at ground level straight up vertically into the higher altitude horizontal winds creating enormous turbulence. With high winds at 100mph plus in a snow storm you then have excellent conditions for constant high levels of ion production. Then in 1959 with stronger geo magnetism this ionisation creates quite a light show (probably including fire orbs and plane1 and plane2). But the important bit is the constant or possibly just regular discharging. Note it doesn't have to be cloud to ground, it could be cloud to cloud. But it's producing N2O and NO2 and nitric acid and they just camped downwind - in the wrong place at the wrong time. It may be that these gases and aerosols are ionised and attracted to the tent which is an earth point in an otherwise well insulated hillside in a metre of snow. So any of the relevant molecues that hit the tent stick to it building up levels of exposure.
At the temperatures on the mountain NO2 would be close to if not a frozen powdery dust. It would only become reactive and corrosive on contact with something warmer. The inside of the tent would be somewhat warmer, and certainly if it got on heir skin, eyes or in their lungs where it turn back to corrosive toxic gas.The lightning (arcing?) would warm things up and also convert snow / water vapour into steam to condense as a mist/aerosol containing dissolved no2 converting to nitric acid. So i don't see the cold as an issue.
I think it is parts per million that is toxic rather than parts per billion.
There still not enough evidence though. Yellow skin, one potential Edema. It's not enough. Where is the toxicology report?You've missed out enlarged aortas. Nitrogen oxides occur naturally in the body, nitric oxide is essential to life and indeed sex (viagra) and can decompose into NO2 so i think this could be a challenge for modern toxicology never mind 1959.'s The pathologist noted foam in YuriD's lungs. The best chance perhaps would be to analyse the skin. But it seems the main nitric acid / keratin reaction occurred after the autopsies and any discoloration during them wasn't identified or confused with decomposition or contamination in the field perhaps.
At the temperatures on the mountain NO2 would be close to if not a frozen powdery dust. It would only become reactive and corrosive on contact with something warmer. The inside of the tent would be somewhat warmer, and certainly if it got on heir skin, eyes or in their lungs where it turn back to corrosive toxic gas.The lightning (arcing?) would warm things up and also convert snow / water vapour into steam to condense as a mist/aerosol containing dissolved no2 converting to nitric acid. So i don't see the cold as an issue.
I think it is parts per million that is toxic rather than parts per billion.
There still not enough evidence though. Yellow skin, one potential Edema. It's not enough. Where is the toxicology report?You've missed out enlarged aortas. Nitrogen oxides occur naturally in the body, nitric oxide is essential to life and indeed sex (viagra) and can decompose into NO2 so i think this could be a challenge for modern toxicology never mind 1959.'s The pathologist noted foam in YuriD's lungs. The best chance perhaps would be to analyse the skin. But it seems the main nitric acid / keratin reaction occurred after the autopsies and any discoloration during them wasn't identified or confused with decomposition or contamination in the field perhaps.
Russian fire orbs - https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/580230/VIDEO-Bizarre-hovering-UFO-lights-REAL-DEAL-alien-chasers
Interesting whistling sound in the background.
From memory we haven't discussed this before on this site, n.b. it's gruesome. - https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/06/death-from-above-part-one-the-horrible-melting-man/
Strong resonance with the DPI and Ivanov's fireorbs, "Those speaking with Filho noticed that his exposed flesh began to look like what one eyewitness referred to as “meat that has been allowed to boil for a while.”". Remember the nine mansi hunters?
Heat rays, golden orbs and a victim who survived long enough to relate the event.
Yes the discussions on this forum are entirely a consequence of the internet empowering dispersed groups of people with a similar interest.From memory we haven't discussed this before on this site, n.b. it's gruesome. - https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/06/death-from-above-part-one-the-horrible-melting-man/ (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/06/death-from-above-part-one-the-horrible-melting-man/)
Strong resonance with the DPI and Ivanov's fireorbs, "Those speaking with Filho noticed that his exposed flesh began to look like what one eyewitness referred to as “meat that has been allowed to boil for a while.”". Remember the nine mansi hunters?
Heat rays, golden orbs and a victim who survived long enough to relate the event.
Good post. I read about this story not that long ago while searching the WWW for any similarities with the Dyatlov Incident.
It just goes to show why we are finding out things these days that were not known to the general public before the Internet was born. The Internet will go down as one of the greatest inventions of all time.
Any way ;and I post this little bit from that article ;
''One of the most intriguing theories regarding the fate of Mr. Filho comes to us from Dr. Luiz Braga who, while investigating the incident years after the fact, came to the conclusion that Filho’s bizarre burns — in which the radiation had an effect on living cells, but not the lifeless ones, such as hair and clothing — were similar to: “…the indirect effects of a nuclear explosion, as occurred with certain victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
Could a BEAM of some kind have been responsible for some of those unusual injuries on some of the Dyatlov bodies ! ? Radiation traces were found, we know that.
It's possible this Filo chap was exposed to some freak astronomical event. A highly columnated focused beam of x-ray or gamma radiation. A gamma ray burst. Difficult to say why it would be that localised and intense though. Very strange.
I'd add that if you construct a theory that there are electro magnetic objects (thankfully rare) that are responsible for this event, cattle mutilations and the human mutilation case in Brazil (and possibly Lyudmila's injuries) then all you need to explain the various patterns of injuries is to adjust the frequency of the radiation. Higher frequencies would cause this mans injuries, lower frequencies would penetrate deeper.
It's possible this Filo chap was exposed to some freak astronomical event. A highly columnated focused beam of x-ray or gamma radiation. A gamma ray burst. Difficult to say why it would be that localised and intense though. Very strange.
Thinking further X-rays would fit better. Lightning produces positrons which annihilate into X-rays so there's a possible theory from conventional physics.
Support for the solar theory.
http://adsbit.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1947MNRAS.107..103N&db_key=AST&page_ind=0&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES
It’s a very strange and unfortunate occurrence. Could be solar I suppose. BL ? Who knows. nea1
Yuri K's leg would be a fit for a directed heat ray. Or it was the fire.It’s a very strange and unfortunate occurrence. Could be solar I suppose. BL ? Who knows. nea1
Well its certainly very strange but it doesnt really go any where near explaining the Dyatlov Incident. There is no evidence of Solar phenomenon or Ball Lightning phenomenon injuring people like some of the Dyatlov Group.
Yuri K's leg would be a fit for a directed heat ray. Or it was the fire.It’s a very strange and unfortunate occurrence. Could be solar I suppose. BL ? Who knows. nea1
Well its certainly very strange but it doesnt really go any where near explaining the Dyatlov Incident. There is no evidence of Solar phenomenon or Ball Lightning phenomenon injuring people like some of the Dyatlov Group.
Yuri K had a badly burnt leg and Yuri D's (assumed) edema has several explanations including electrocution. Lyudmila's injuries have several explanations including being consistent with cattle mutilations the explanations of which include atmospheric electricity.Yuri K's leg would be a fit for a directed heat ray. Or it was the fire.It’s a very strange and unfortunate occurrence. Could be solar I suppose. BL ? Who knows. nea1
Well its certainly very strange but it doesnt really go any where near explaining the Dyatlov Incident. There is no evidence of Solar phenomenon or Ball Lightning phenomenon injuring people like some of the Dyatlov Group.
Well maybe but I think we would all like a bit more substance by way of connecting an HEAT RAY or whatever and any particular injury. I mean how can we LINK some electrical type of event with a particular bodily injury on any of the Dyatlov Group 1 /
Yuri K had a badly burnt leg and Yuri D's (assumed) edema has several explanations including electrocution. Lyudmila's injuries have several explanations including being consistent with cattle mutilations the explanations of which include atmospheric electricity.Yuri K's leg would be a fit for a directed heat ray. Or it was the fire.It’s a very strange and unfortunate occurrence. Could be solar I suppose. BL ? Who knows. nea1
Well its certainly very strange but it doesnt really go any where near explaining the Dyatlov Incident. There is no evidence of Solar phenomenon or Ball Lightning phenomenon injuring people like some of the Dyatlov Group.
Well maybe but I think we would all like a bit more substance by way of connecting an HEAT RAY or whatever and any particular injury. I mean how can we LINK some electrical type of event with a particular bodily injury on any of the Dyatlov Group 1 /
This is what Ivanov said in his interview - "When later in May Ye.P.Maslennikov and I examined the scene of the incident, we noted that some young spruces at the edge of the forest had traces of burning, but their location was neither concentric nor otherwise systematic. There was no epicentre either. That was one more proof of directional nature of, say, a thermal ray or some unknown, at least to us, energy of selective action: no traces of melt in snow, no damaged trees were noted either. We got an impression that after tourists had walked on foot over five hundred metres down the slope, someone had dealt with a few of them in a directional way.""I had a clear understanding in what sequence and who were dying, this information was the result of thorough examination of the bodies, their clothes, and other data. Only the sky was left, with all its contents and an unfathomable energy that had turned out to be beyond human strength."
This guy is makig sense imo, but i favour less involvement with the ground and more with the atmosphere, imo the source of the electricity is derived from the profile of the Urals interrupting large snow storms from a westerly direction. - https://sites.google.com/site/mezoelectric/dyatlov-pass-incident-1The nine people have perished because of an large scale electrical [/font][/i][/color]process that occurs naturally in this region which is very different[/font][/i][/color]than the classical cloud-to-ground lightning and similar in some[/font][/i][/color]way [/font][/i]with corona electrical discharging or with ball lightning.[/font][/color][/color][/color]
Yes its true that some of the injuries to some of the Dyatlov group could have been the result of some kind of ELECTRICAL PHENOMENON. But surely if the area where the Dyatlov Group met their demise is as you say the result of a large scale electrical process that occurs naturally in this area, then why have there never been any similar events over hundreds of years ! ?Well the legend of the nine mansi hunters is another event? Also 1958 is recorded as THE record year for sunspots (and hence geomagnetic activity) for the last 400 years which is possibly relevant. If that level of geomagnetic energy and fierce snow storms are required then they'll be infrequent. Less infrequent will be the occasional orb of course.
Yes its true that some of the injuries to some of the Dyatlov group could have been the result of some kind of ELECTRICAL PHENOMENON. But surely if the area where the Dyatlov Group met their demise is as you say the result of a large scale electrical process that occurs naturally in this area, then why have there never been any similar events over hundreds of years ! ?Well the legend of the nine mansi hunters is another event? Also 1958 is recorded as THE record year for sunspots (and hence geomagnetic activity) for the last 400 years which is possibly relevant. If that level of geomagnetic energy and fierce snow storms are required then they'll be infrequent. Less infrequent will be the occasional orb of course.
I thought you would mention the Mansi legend. There doesnt appear to be any real evidence that 9 Mansi died in the area. It is as you say, a LEGEND. Interesting about the SUNSPOT activity though. I notice that the years 1956 to 1960 were fairly high. Also they were fairly high 2000 to 2002 when Yuri Yakimov had his experience. Coincidence ! ? But as you must know Sunspot activity research is very much a work in progress and its really only the beginning. Its just one of many disciplines in this particular area of science. I dont see anything jumping out at me and saying CONNECTION with the Dyatlov Incident.Legends are the only historical record that the mansi have. It could just be a story, but it's a curious detail - "as if boiled alive" which gives it credibility imo. Sunspots are one area of interest the other is underground. Who knows what transient forces could be operating down there. Both Tunguska and Libyan desert glass are as a result of immense energies that have no easy explanation. Google "electric universe" for some fun stuff and interesting questions.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
In photography and optics, vignetting (/vɪnˈjɛtɪŋ/, UK also /vɪˈnɛt-/; French: vignette) is a reduction of an image's brightness or saturation toward the periphery compared to the image center.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignetting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignetting)
French fire orbs - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4222642/Footage-shows-illuminated-UFO-hovering-French-town.html
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....QuoteIn photography and optics, vignetting (/vɪnˈjɛtɪŋ/, UK also /vɪˈnɛt-/; French: vignette) is a reduction of an image's brightness or saturation toward the periphery compared to the image center.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignetting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignetting)
This is a lovely clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G5EmPDRkjI
My theory would be that this is an incandescent orb generated from an ion stream travelling downwards. The blue violet layer being nitrogen excited by the electrons as they close in and concentrate. Why only a horizontal layer before the excitation stops i don't know. Then the orb is weakly emitting hot NO2 "at it's poles" which immediately cools below +20C and is lost as a vapour/liquid.
Or it's just some CGI of course. kewl1
Cool little object.
Can be a finger in front of the lens, happens sometimes to me when shooting with the phone :)
Also your "black cloud" appears here:
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Dyatlov-pass-unknown-camera-film5-03.jpg)
Fitzgerald..... big clanky ship that goes down in the worst storm of the century in 1975.No probably a rogue wave.
Must be ball lightening. lol1
Ouch... auto type made you hurt my one feeling. cry2https://www.grammarly.com/blog/spelled-spelt/ (https://www.grammarly.com/blog/spelled-spelt/)
Its spelled 'spelled'. bigjoke
Did you not see the laughing smiley? Your not teaching me anything I dont already know. Do I need to lock this topic for going off the rails?"Going off the rails".
BTW. Sometimes things are improved upon whether you like to admit it or not.
Good paper from the :-U.S. Department of Energy
Office of Scientific and Technical Informationhttps://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1107768 (https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1107768)
It considers the Fitzgerald event of 1868. - http://www.kc4cop.bizland.com/first_installment_extreme_ball_lightning.htm (http://www.kc4cop.bizland.com/first_installment_extreme_ball_lightning.htm)
Note the mass calculations.
That all seems consistent with ball lightning phenomena, the smoke and smell probably being NO2/O3 but not sufficiently concentrated to cause respiratory problems. A couple of interesting facets wrt the DPI are the white hair and the facial sores, both of which some members of the group exhibited. It's been my view for some time that the facial "combat injuries" are probably from microwave radiation. (weaker than in this Venezuela case). Zinaida was found with her face covered in blood and the morgue photos show her sores after cleanup. In India they have the "munochwa" = "face scratcher" see - https://www.skeptica.dk/?p=1191 for a discussion. All electro magnetism of course.
The drought wont be relevant. Perhaps the heat that caused it. More important will be the terrain i would expect it to be flat farmland.That all seems consistent with ball lightning phenomena, the smoke and smell probably being NO2/O3 but not sufficiently concentrated to cause respiratory problems. A couple of interesting facets wrt the DPI are the white hair and the facial sores, both of which some members of the group exhibited. It's been my view for some time that the facial "combat injuries" are probably from microwave radiation. (weaker than in this Venezuela case). Zinaida was found with her face covered in blood and the morgue photos show her sores after cleanup. In India they have the "munochwa" = "face scratcher" see - https://www.skeptica.dk/?p=1191 (https://www.skeptica.dk/?p=1191) for a discussion. All electro magnetism of course.
Yes there do appear to be possible similarities with some of the Dyatlov group injuries. There must be many incidents from around the World over time that have never been reported or recorded. Maybe involving just one or two people. And maybe some of those people didnt survive to tell the story ! ? Interesting story about the ''Face Scratcher''. But the mention of DROUGHT conditions playing a part needs to be considered carefully because similar incidents involving these mystery lights may have occurred where there was no drought , etc.
The drought wont be relevant. Perhaps the heat that caused it. More important will be the terrain i would expect it to be flat farmland.That all seems consistent with ball lightning phenomena, the smoke and smell probably being NO2/O3 but not sufficiently concentrated to cause respiratory problems. A couple of interesting facets wrt the DPI are the white hair and the facial sores, both of which some members of the group exhibited. It's been my view for some time that the facial "combat injuries" are probably from microwave radiation. (weaker than in this Venezuela case). Zinaida was found with her face covered in blood and the morgue photos show her sores after cleanup. In India they have the "munochwa" = "face scratcher" see - https://www.skeptica.dk/?p=1191 (https://www.skeptica.dk/?p=1191) for a discussion. All electro magnetism of course.
Yes there do appear to be possible similarities with some of the Dyatlov group injuries. There must be many incidents from around the World over time that have never been reported or recorded. Maybe involving just one or two people. And maybe some of those people didnt survive to tell the story ! ? Interesting story about the ''Face Scratcher''. But the mention of DROUGHT conditions playing a part needs to be considered carefully because similar incidents involving these mystery lights may have occurred where there was no drought , etc.
Here's a stated victim of the face scratcher, see any resemblance to the DPI?
(https://i.ibb.co/yB5Cw3p/muhnochwa-020902.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
The theory being that electrically we're no different to a hot dog whacky1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Knz4aAjDlY
I came across this today.
As long term posters on the forum will know, not everyone is onboard with me concerning Ivanov's fire orbs. So i use this thread to build the case that these things are real and in the era of smartphones and the internet the evidence is building. This report goes back to 1996 so is only a newspaper clipping but what is of interest is that it exactly describes Ivanov's fire orbs with heat rays.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html
Not many with heat rays that burn four inch holes in railway sleepers (for our international audience "sleepers" are the wooden beams that support the metal rails). The eye witness isn't describing electrical discharges that might look like lightning, but beams of light carrying intense heat.I came across this today.The Internet is indeed full of this type of story. Lights in the Sky with Beams coming down to Earth etc. Any of us need only Google UFO Fire Orbs etc and see the stories come down the line.
As long term posters on the forum will know, not everyone is onboard with me concerning Ivanov's fire orbs. So i use this thread to build the case that these things are real and in the era of smartphones and the internet the evidence is building. This report goes back to 1996 so is only a newspaper clipping but what is of interest is that it exactly describes Ivanov's fire orbs with heat rays.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html)
Not many with heat rays that burn four inch holes in railway sleepers (for our international audience "sleepers" are the wooden beams that support the metal rails). The eye witness isn't describing electrical discharges that might look like lightning, but beams of light carrying intense heat.I came across this today.The Internet is indeed full of this type of story. Lights in the Sky with Beams coming down to Earth etc. Any of us need only Google UFO Fire Orbs etc and see the stories come down the line.
As long term posters on the forum will know, not everyone is onboard with me concerning Ivanov's fire orbs. So i use this thread to build the case that these things are real and in the era of smartphones and the internet the evidence is building. This report goes back to 1996 so is only a newspaper clipping but what is of interest is that it exactly describes Ivanov's fire orbs with heat rays.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html)
Here's a nice youtube vid of two distinct types of the phenomena - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6Oy9oE-NA
First some black plumes, imo these are a good candidate for Chivruay and possibly the DPI.
Then a nice display of fire orbs.
The plume from 48 seconds is the interesting one because it is so low and the camera is upwind. No airplane at high altitude...Not many with heat rays that burn four inch holes in railway sleepers (for our international audience "sleepers" are the wooden beams that support the metal rails). The eye witness isn't describing electrical discharges that might look like lightning, but beams of light carrying intense heat.I came across this today.The Internet is indeed full of this type of story. Lights in the Sky with Beams coming down to Earth etc. Any of us need only Google UFO Fire Orbs etc and see the stories come down the line.
As long term posters on the forum will know, not everyone is onboard with me concerning Ivanov's fire orbs. So i use this thread to build the case that these things are real and in the era of smartphones and the internet the evidence is building. This report goes back to 1996 so is only a newspaper clipping but what is of interest is that it exactly describes Ivanov's fire orbs with heat rays.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html)
Here's a nice youtube vid of two distinct types of the phenomena - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6Oy9oE-NA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6Oy9oE-NA)
First some black plumes, imo these are a good candidate for Chivruay and possibly the DPI.
Then a nice display of fire orbs.
The one video looks like an airplane at high altitude. The last video looks like someone is flying model aircraft.
The plume from 48 seconds is the interesting one because it is so low and the camera is upwind. No airplane at high altitude...Not many with heat rays that burn four inch holes in railway sleepers (for our international audience "sleepers" are the wooden beams that support the metal rails). The eye witness isn't describing electrical discharges that might look like lightning, but beams of light carrying intense heat.I came across this today.The Internet is indeed full of this type of story. Lights in the Sky with Beams coming down to Earth etc. Any of us need only Google UFO Fire Orbs etc and see the stories come down the line.
As long term posters on the forum will know, not everyone is onboard with me concerning Ivanov's fire orbs. So i use this thread to build the case that these things are real and in the era of smartphones and the internet the evidence is building. This report goes back to 1996 so is only a newspaper clipping but what is of interest is that it exactly describes Ivanov's fire orbs with heat rays.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6039915/UFO-files-bright-yellow-light-fired-laser-beams-at-ground.html)
Here's a nice youtube vid of two distinct types of the phenomena - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6Oy9oE-NA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6Oy9oE-NA)
First some black plumes, imo these are a good candidate for Chivruay and possibly the DPI.
Then a nice display of fire orbs.
The one video looks like an airplane at high altitude. The last video looks like someone is flying model aircraft.
Model aircraft don't change colour and shape. CGI maybe, model aircraft no.
For the 48secs sectiond, the "airplane" isn't moving? So either it's very far away and that is the biggest contrail ever in recorded history or it's a closer stationery object emitting a plume that is carried downwind.
The plume is probably from an airplane. Those shapes look like the way model aircraft behave. They are lit up which explains the colours.
For the 48secs sectiond, the "airplane" isn't moving? So either it's very far away and that is the biggest contrail ever in recorded history or it's a closer stationery object emitting a plume that is carried downwind.
The plume is probably from an airplane. Those shapes look like the way model aircraft behave. They are lit up which explains the colours.
Actually playing from 58secs you can see the plume "wiggle"? Contrails don't do that?
First is a high altitude aircraft.
Look for the waggle @ 58s.
You mean when the camera moved and along with it the angle that light enters a spherical lens?Poor quality lens if you're right.
Soviet technology!
https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness
That one is interesting because we're back in Ivanov's "orbs directing heat rays" territory. It's worth pointing out that the story is solely the testimony of one man as no report was filed. But there seem to be many others.Soviet technology!
https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness (https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness)
Also similar stories from the USA aka AREA 51 etc. The Soviets or the US Military or the Chinese Military did not and do not have the sort of weapons that may emanate from Alien Technology. If there are Aliens and they have such technology then its beyond our scientists comprehension. Our scientists struggled to put together a crude Nuke in the 1940's. The effort that went into that project was tremendous with no help from Aliens. And so it went on throughout the so called Cold War era.
Soviet technology!
https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness
Also similar stories from the USA aka AREA 51 etc. The Soviets or the US Military or the Chinese Military did not and do not have the sort of weapons that may emanate from Alien Technology. If there are Aliens and they have such technology then its beyond our scientists comprehension. Our scientists struggled to put together a crude Nuke in the 1940's. The effort that went into that project was tremendous with no help from Aliens. And so it went on throughout the so called Cold War era.
This was one of the best of the best in WW2 (with a spy plane role) and it was built of plywood and balsa... kewl1Soviet technology!
https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness (https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness)
Also similar stories from the USA aka AREA 51 etc. The Soviets or the US Military or the Chinese Military did not and do not have the sort of weapons that may emanate from Alien Technology. If there are Aliens and they have such technology then its beyond our scientists comprehension. Our scientists struggled to put together a crude Nuke in the 1940's. The effort that went into that project was tremendous with no help from Aliens. And so it went on throughout the so called Cold War era.
Best of the best in 1945.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/e2/07/a0e207dfb90c5d4e99c1de8ae852bf9b.jpg)
Roswell incident mid-1947............. 15 short years later in 1962 and built from a new fancy metal called titanium.. shock1
Over 4,000 missiles were fired at this thing over its career, and not a single loss.
(https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/default/files/images/WEB11653-2010h.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/c9/db/1dc9db7aef3de7cdee695dc9920970a0.jpg)
14 September 1959: CIA awards antiradar study, aerodynamic structural tests, and engineering designs, selecting the A-12 over rival Convair's Kingfish. Project Oxcart established.
Soviet technology!
https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness
PRE USA STEALTH WARPLANES. The Germans beat the US to it. And its also PRE ROSWELL.
The Horten H.IX, RLM designation Ho 229 (or Gotha Go 229 for extensive re-design work done by Gotha to prepare the aircraft for mass production) was a German prototype fighter/bomber initially designed by Reimar and Walter Horten to be built by Gothaer Waggonfabrik late in World War II. It was the first flying wing to be powered by jet engines.[1]
The design was a response to Hermann Göring's call for light bomber designs capable of meeting the "3×1000" requirement; namely to carry 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb) of bombs a distance of 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) with a speed of 1,000 kilometres per hour (620 mph). Only jets could provide the speed, but these were extremely fuel-hungry, so considerable effort had to be made to meet the range requirement. Based on a flying wing, the Ho 229 lacked all extraneous control surfaces to lower drag. It was the only design to come even close to the 3×1000 requirements and received Göring's approval. Its ceiling was 15,000 metres (49,000 ft).[2]
(https://i.ibb.co/zJRr2y3/JET.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
6 sided dice simulator (https://freeonlinedice.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/dLbxQfQ/jet1.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
rental car reimbursement (https://carinsuranceguru.org/is-it-worth-it-to-get-rental-reimbursement-in-my-car-insurance)
Claimed stealth technology
Radar absorbent material (RAM)
Cross-section of the Horten H.O.229 composite wood laminate
After the war, Reimar Horten said he mixed charcoal dust in with the wood glue to absorb electromagnetic waves (radar), which he believed could shield the aircraft from detection by British early-warning ground-based radar that operated at 20 to 30 MHz, with a wavelength of 10 to 15m (top end of the HF band), known as Chain Home.[11]
A team of engineers from Northrop Grumman ran electromagnetic tests on the V3's multilayer wooden center-section nose cones. They tested over a frequency range of 12 to 117 THz,with wavelengths of the order of 10 microns. The cones are 19 mm (0.75 in) thick and made from thin sheets of veneer. The team concluded that there was some form of conducting element in the glue, as the radar signal attenuated considerably as it passed through the cone.[12] The Smithsonian Institution has performed a technical study of the materials used and determined that there is "no evidence of carbon black or charcoal in the Horten jet" thus invalidating the proposed mechanism for an essentially non-existent radar absorbent property as compared to the control sample of plywood used in the original testing. [13]
Not stealth... its just a flying wing. wink1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229QuoteClaimed stealth technology
Radar absorbent material (RAM)
Cross-section of the Horten H.O.229 composite wood laminate
After the war, Reimar Horten said he mixed charcoal dust in with the wood glue to absorb electromagnetic waves (radar), which he believed could shield the aircraft from detection by British early-warning ground-based radar that operated at 20 to 30 MHz, with a wavelength of 10 to 15m (top end of the HF band), known as Chain Home.[11]
A team of engineers from Northrop Grumman ran electromagnetic tests on the V3's multilayer wooden center-section nose cones. They tested over a frequency range of 12 to 117 THz,with wavelengths of the order of 10 microns. The cones are 19 mm (0.75 in) thick and made from thin sheets of veneer. The team concluded that there was some form of conducting element in the glue, as the radar signal attenuated considerably as it passed through the cone.[12] The Smithsonian Institution has performed a technical study of the materials used and determined that there is "no evidence of carbon black or charcoal in the Horten jet" thus invalidating the proposed mechanism for an essentially non-existent radar absorbent property as compared to the control sample of plywood used in the original testing. [13]
Copying this vid over from another thread, the theory being that the blue/violet glow is excited nitrogen and the Plane1/2 photos are of a similar object. No idea what the rest of it is, probably for the science of the future to answer.
https://youtu.be/d6aCxU52hXE (https://youtu.be/d6aCxU52hXE)
Here's a famous report from the US - https://www.history.com/news/ufo-chiles-whitted-soviet-spycraft-air-force-coverup (https://www.history.com/news/ufo-chiles-whitted-soviet-spycraft-air-force-coverup)"Underneath the ship there was a blue glow of light.”
I'd also add that reading about the Warminster Thing - https://www.amazon.co.uk/WARMINSTER-MYSTERY-Arthur-Shuttlewood/dp/0426169263
One eye witness account talks of an aerial object "just like a railway carriage". The Chiles-whitted object being a double decker version.
Yes, cylinders and cigars are very common structures in UFO reports.
Well I remember from about 35 years ago or so what a Farmer told Me after him and his family had a UFO experience. There had been a lot of sightings in this area of the Midlands, England, and so I decided to ask the Farmer exactly what they saw. One night they saw CYLINDRICAL OBJECTS in the sky that appeared fairly low in height over their Farm. They mentioned colours of the Cylinders and also bright lights coming down over their cattle in the yard. Obviously they were amazed at what they saw. No cattle were harmed and no lightning or other electrical events were reported. The stories of these various sightings did get into the newspapers at the time.
Time-laps stills of a drone... classic.and your explanation for the sighting in 1948 is?......
Time-laps stills of a drone... classic.and your explanation for the sighting in 1948 is?......
Time-laps stills of a drone... classic.and your explanation for the sighting in 1948 is?......
Do I need to 'explain' every UFO sighting in history?
Low ISO and a long shutter speed....... waste of time mate.What is?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan
No and your point is?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan)
But this doesnt prove anything ! ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan)
Its NOT climbing and its NOT ball lightning... If it were coming straight at you, would you say it was going straight up? No, its was the angle in which it was traveling in relationship to the the camera. Its a meteor, and they glow dif colors depending on what elements they are comprised of.
And you call yourself a physicist.
Ever pitched a mean curveball, or do they not have baseball in the UK?
Im guessing your NOT able to tell us what direction the object was spinning when it entered the atmosphere, or how fast of a rate the spin was.
And no.... they don't always leave a trail.
https://youtu.be/2OSrvzNW9FE (https://youtu.be/2OSrvzNW9FE)
You mean frequency in which they are reported by people that don't understand them vs people that know better and simply don't make a big deal out of it.Read the link before you make wild stabs in the dark.
What is this 'read' thing you speak of?
See my last post.
No and your point is?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan)
But this doesnt prove anything ! ?
No and your point is?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-37843273/strange-green-light-spotted-over-japan)
But this doesnt prove anything ! ?
That is My point. It does not prove anything and that also means it doesnt prove anything for the Dyatlov Mystery as well.
Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
All the people in that photo would be dead in say the next six hours. Five of them just lying down using a tent as a ground sheet and never getting up. All fit youngsters.Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide)
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
Not a very convincing theory. And the black smoke is most likely to be due to some type of photographic error, be it film or camera etc.
All the people in that photo would be dead in say the next six hours. Five of them just lying down using a tent as a ground sheet and never getting up. All fit youngsters.Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide)
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
Not a very convincing theory. And the black smoke is most likely to be due to some type of photographic error, be it film or camera etc.
Something did it.
All in my opinion.
You say that all the people in that photo would be dead in say the next 6 hours ! ? Any proof of that, i e, exact time please ! ?
And you also say that 5 of them just lying down and never getting up ! ? Can you be certain of this precise detail you give us ! ?
All in my opinion.
You say that all the people in that photo would be dead in say the next 6 hours ! ? Any proof of that, i e, exact time please ! ?
And you also say that 5 of them just lying down and never getting up ! ? Can you be certain of this precise detail you give us ! ?
The "cut from inside of tent in a panic" narrative is highly suspect at best.I don't understand?
From what I read, ball lightening is usually accompanied by a rainstorm and thunder, lightening. Not sure if that was going on at DP, and I don't see them leaving the tent because of it.Hiya jarrfan. Welcome to the real ball lightning thread, the one and only....
Whatever it was made them immediately and without forethought, leave the safest place they were to get AWAY from it, or they were ordered out immediately by military that they feared.
They could have left the tent thinking if they started a fire, it might scare away the creature, bear or whatever, and the two climbed the tree as they saw it coming back.
The Rav 4 had to have their injuries inflicted at the place of death because they were so debilitating, they would not have been able to crawl there. Why did they leave the den and run toward the ravine?
There are so more questions than answers.
I don't know of any vehicle in 1959 yet alone today that could traverse that terrain in those conditions. dunno1I think we can rule out battle tanks
Besides... you would hear it coming a mile a way. I used to sleep in a defensive position with M1 Abrams maneuvering all around me.... ask me how I know.
The Dechmont Woods Incident - http://www.mapit.kk5.org/the-livingston-ufo/4535820811 (http://www.mapit.kk5.org/the-livingston-ufo/4535820811)
An interesting case due to a thorough investigation by the police.
The "ladder tracks" were estimated by the police to have been made by an object weighing several tons and there was no sign of it traveling to the location over the ground. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50262655 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50262655)
N.B. one (my) theory for the rav4 deaths is they were crushed under the snow by a tracked vehicle.
Some other parallels with the DPI, both have :-Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_incident) seems to dismiss the event as an epileptic attack etc but has no explanation for the marks in the ground as recorded by the police.
- torn clothing.
- indications of burning - n.b. hydrogen sulphide can result in pulmonary edema (Yuri D's foam on cheek).
- scratches including the face.
Currently my favourite theory for the DPI is that the location was attacked by Soviet missiles and cleaned up afterwards, but this introduces another question - "what were they firing at?".
I don't know of any vehicle in 1959 yet alone today that could traverse that terrain in those conditions. dunno1I think we can rule out battle tanks
Besides... you would hear it coming a mile a way. I used to sleep in a defensive position with M1 Abrams maneuvering all around me.... ask me how I know.
kewl1
According to some of the web pages on this incident the police investigation included examining the wider area for signs of a mobile crane being used to drop this object into place.
"Fire orbs, possibly piloted firing directed heat rays" - Lev Ivanov.I don't know of any vehicle in 1959 yet alone today that could traverse that terrain in those conditions. dunno1I think we can rule out battle tanks
Besides... you would hear it coming a mile a way. I used to sleep in a defensive position with M1 Abrams maneuvering all around me.... ask me how I know.
kewl1
According to some of the web pages on this incident the police investigation included examining the wider area for signs of a mobile crane being used to drop this object into place.
We can also rule out any kind of vehicle except maybe an EXTRATERRESTRIAL VEHICLE ! ? But maybe thats what the Balls are.
"Fire orbs, possibly piloted firing directed heat rays" - Lev Ivanov.I don't know of any vehicle in 1959 yet alone today that could traverse that terrain in those conditions. dunno1I think we can rule out battle tanks
Besides... you would hear it coming a mile a way. I used to sleep in a defensive position with M1 Abrams maneuvering all around me.... ask me how I know.
kewl1
According to some of the web pages on this incident the police investigation included examining the wider area for signs of a mobile crane being used to drop this object into place.
We can also rule out any kind of vehicle except maybe an EXTRATERRESTRIAL VEHICLE ! ? But maybe thats what the Balls are.
Personally I'd opt for electro magnetic. A clue lies in the observation that the edge of the object varied in opacity.
Yes, www.ball-lightning.info has a category of "Navigator" for instance.
Its... a finger/hand or a strap that's too close to the lens and massively out of focus.???
#1 nobody in the picture seems too concerned about a killer black cloud.
#2 The camera operator isn't very interested in it either as he has his subject/subjects in center frame.
Its... a finger/hand or a strap that's too close to the lens and massively out of focus.???
#1 nobody in the picture seems too concerned about a killer black cloud.
#2 The camera operator isn't very interested in it either as he has his subject/subjects in center frame.
Thats why it was quoted. rolleyes1
Rare jellyfish ufo filmed in Brazil, scroll down a bit.
https://www.ibtimes.com/video-captures-rare-jellyfish-ufo-flying-brazil-expert-claims-watch-2936414 (https://www.ibtimes.com/video-captures-rare-jellyfish-ufo-flying-brazil-expert-claims-watch-2936414)
That atmospheric electrical phenomenon although rare do exist, hence Ivanov's fire orbs theory was credible (it's his theory, not mine).Rare jellyfish ufo filmed in Brazil, scroll down a bit.
https://www.ibtimes.com/video-captures-rare-jellyfish-ufo-flying-brazil-expert-claims-watch-2936414 (https://www.ibtimes.com/video-captures-rare-jellyfish-ufo-flying-brazil-expert-claims-watch-2936414)
Whats the connection to your Ball Lightning Theory
I have read a recent article that suggests ball lightning is a good fit for Dyatlov Pass. This is because this time, in 1978, a group of hikers survived a very similar encounter with tent-invasive ball lightning, that left terrible injuries. I will paraphrase a survivors account; "I woke up with a terrible feeling that something fearful had entered the tent. I saw a luminous glowing ball hovering above the sleeping bags. Suddenly it dipped inside a bag whose owner let out a scream. The ball dipped into each sleeping bag before mine, causing piercing cries of agony. Then it entered mine, and caused a terrible injury to the bone. I passed out from pain and woke again to find the ball still hovering above the sleeping bags. I needed desperately to escape." This factual story from a survivor of ball lightning seems very close to what may have happened in Dyatlov...I will try and find the link.
All the people in that photo would be dead in say the next six hours. Five of them just lying down using a tent as a ground sheet and never getting up. All fit youngsters.Just keeping this thread up to date with the relevant conversations happening on other threads.
So it would seem that there is a (very?) strong case for the NO2 theory. I've posted several links of objects or even no object at all! that are producing a plume of either black or orange "smoke" . Google image "ufo plume" or "ghost rocket" for these and more.
NO2 of course changes colour depending on temperature, getting darker as it gets hotter, more orange and more yellow as it cools down to it's boiling point of 21C - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide)
On contact with moisture NO2 slowly converts to nitric acid and this means that NO2 is poisonous for any creature that breathes air, the lungs slowly lose function as the conversion takes place. N.B in humans this happens slowly in some cases taking two days depending on the degree of exposure. Google "silo fillers disease". On contact with skin the nitric acid reacts with the keratin in the skin to turn it yellow and orange.
So the theory is that during a period of record geomagnetic storms (1958/1959) combined with ionisation from a powerful snow storm from the west, the western ridge of Kholat Syakhl demonstrated visual electro magnetic phenomena that attracted the DP group to camp nearby behind the north eastern ridge and this phenomena was photographed by Semyon, in particular the Plane 2 photo captures a large object illuminating the snow storm below it and the small section of the snow covered hill. The theory is then that they had sadly camped downwind of this area which began producing a plume of acrid NO2 which explains the sudden decision to leave the tent but stand some distance away before descending the hill to the forest lightly dressed unable to return to the tent.
And of course the above theory fits very well with the Chivruay incident. A difficult to understand decision to break camp, half of the group fell ill and found lying in a row on top of the tent 10 metres from the edge of the precipice! Clearly unable to move to a safer location? Simultaneously fell ill? And of course yellow skin. It's a strong fit for the above theory.
And then there's the photograph :-
(https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1806/b9/b285ea8c7f56.jpg)
There seems to be some very black smoke in that picture that imo isn't a dense snow cloud....
Just saying....
Not a very convincing theory. And the black smoke is most likely to be due to some type of photographic error, be it film or camera etc.
Something did it.
You say that all the people in that photo would be dead in say the next 6 hours ! ? Any proof of that, i e, exact time please ! ?
And you also say that 5 of them just lying down and never getting up ! ? Can you be certain of this precise detail you give us ! ?
I have read a recent article that suggests ball lightning is a good fit for Dyatlov Pass. This is because this time, in 1978, a group of hikers survived a very similar encounter with tent-invasive ball lightning, that left terrible injuries. I will paraphrase a survivors account; "I woke up with a terrible feeling that something fearful had entered the tent. I saw a luminous glowing ball hovering above the sleeping bags. Suddenly it dipped inside a bag whose owner let out a scream. The ball dipped into each sleeping bag before mine, causing piercing cries of agony. Then it entered mine, and caused a terrible injury to the bone. I passed out from pain and woke again to find the ball still hovering above the sleeping bags. I needed desperately to escape." This factual story from a survivor of ball lightning seems very close to what may have happened in Dyatlov...I will try and find the link.Hi firefox, as Mr WAB states it's been discussed before but when i view the thread in descending order it's reply #45
I have read a recent article that suggests ball lightning is a good fit for Dyatlov Pass. This is because this time, in 1978, a group of hikers survived a very similar encounter with tent-invasive ball lightning, that left terrible injuries. I will paraphrase a survivors account; "I woke up with a terrible feeling that something fearful had entered the tent. I saw a luminous glowing ball hovering above the sleeping bags. Suddenly it dipped inside a bag whose owner let out a scream. The ball dipped into each sleeping bag before mine, causing piercing cries of agony. Then it entered mine, and caused a terrible injury to the bone. I passed out from pain and woke again to find the ball still hovering above the sleeping bags. I needed desperately to escape." This factual story from a survivor of ball lightning seems very close to what may have happened in Dyatlov...I will try and find the link.
The description of this case has existed on this forum for almost 2 years:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=184.30 November 16, 2018, 03:49:53 AM Reply #44
it is retelling himself Vladimir Kavunenko spich, which I heard from him, and compilation his article in the forum USSR mountaineers .
I have now read quite a bit on DPI, and Yuri Yakimov's tale of bright lights, and approaching "swinging sets of moving lights" in a mine pit, and an exactly similar account given by Forest Ranger Rudkovskiy. All note frightening, approaching "swinging sets of lights" that approach only at a human glance. An analogy is made to the DPI & ball lightning, perhaps....A further example is given of an experienced taiga hunter who undressed and moved about the taiga for days before dying. All these examples seem to include bright lights in the wilderness darkness.
However in the west, we also have in North America (where I am a forester) huge tundra and vast Northern forests, with immense Northern mountain ranges, its all very similar in our Canada. Yet all these corroborating sights come from only one country, Russia. How could this be, I think. We in the West are trained to be rational only. Superstition is out. it does not make sense that no country other than Russia could have such events, surely? The topography and climate in Canada are the same.
Is it possible that something deep within Russia's society and culture and history, could be behind all these similar stories? Why no bright swinging lights in our huge northern forests?
I have now read quite a bit on DPI, and Yuri Yakimov's tale of bright lights, and approaching "swinging sets of moving lights" in a mine pit, and an exactly similar account given by Forest Ranger Rudkovskiy. All note frightening, approaching "swinging sets of lights" that approach only at a human glance. An analogy is made to the DPI & ball lightning, perhaps....A further example is given of an experienced taiga hunter who undressed and moved about the taiga for days before dying. All these examples seem to include bright lights in the wilderness darkness.
However in the west, we also have in North America (where I am a forester) huge tundra and vast Northern forests, with immense Northern mountain ranges, its all very similar in our Canada. Yet all these corroborating sights come from only one country, Russia. How could this be, I think. We in the West are trained to be rational only. Superstition is out. it does not make sense that no country other than Russia could have such events, surely? The topography and climate in Canada are the same.
Is it possible that something deep within Russia's society and culture and history, could be behind all these similar stories? Why no bright swinging lights in our huge northern forests?
Well I have read a fair bit about similar phenomenon in Northern America and Alaska and Canada as well. So its not just Russia where such things happen.
Thank you for the quick reply to my post. I was wondering if you have a link for any stories you may have heard regarding similar tales to the Russian ones, that originate in North America...? Thanks...
I have now read quite a bit on DPI, and Yuri Yakimov's tale of bright lights, and approaching "swinging sets of moving lights" in a mine pit, and an exactly similar account given by Forest Ranger Rudkovskiy. All note frightening, approaching "swinging sets of lights" that approach only at a human glance. An analogy is made to the DPI & ball lightning, perhaps....A further example is given of an experienced taiga hunter who undressed and moved about the taiga for days before dying. All these examples seem to include bright lights in the wilderness darkness.
However in the west, we also have in North America (where I am a forester) huge tundra and vast Northern forests, with immense Northern mountain ranges, its all very similar in our Canada. Yet all these corroborating sights come from only one country, Russia. How could this be, I think. We in the West are trained to be rational only. Superstition is out. it does not make sense that no country other than Russia could have such events, surely? The topography and climate in Canada are the same.
Is it possible that something deep within Russia's society and culture and history, could be behind all these similar stories? Why no bright swinging lights in our huge northern forests?
Well I have read a fair bit about similar phenomenon in Northern America and Alaska and Canada as well. So its not just Russia where such things happen.
Thank you for the quick reply to my post. I was wondering if you have a link for any stories you may have heard regarding similar tales to the Russian ones, that originate in North America...? Thanks...
"Well you could try Googling it. You will come with all sorts of stuff relating to North America and Canada."You have to have the special knowledge that only special people have. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will-o%27-the-wisp
I have done my Google search, and indeed did come upon a number of cases of "strange lights" in North America, with one HUGE difference; American reports are all in the sky only. Nothing at all on land; and no eyewitness accounts, all are in the type of UFO style. So my complaint stands; that all stories regarding "lights in the forest" are from Russia only; which is in itself problematical.
It's on those who believe in the worldwide nature of these things, to bring up their own examples of why this should be so.
Well, here's a couple of thoughts...The thing that panicked them was as likely inside the tent, as was outside...
After all it was black outside, and very dark inside...How could they have seen clearly outside the tent...? The tent was made of dark, or black material it seems. I have winter camped, and it's very difficult to see outside the tent in the dark...So the thing that panicked them is un-likely to be outside. I have no idea what this was, just that I doubt it could have been clearly seen outside...
Second, the tears in the tent being 'cut" only from the inside...I feel free in rejecting this, as the only advice comes from a "seamstress." This was from the original report. This is far from "expert" opinion, that would NEVER be accepted in the West....in an inquest or any official report. She has NOT spent twenty years studying cuts, that's for sure. So, this opinion must be removed from official beliefs.
In the end, we are left with NOT knowing whether the cuts were made by getting out of the tent, or by some force cutting into the tent. I'm just saying her opinion is not a professional one, nor is it final, as a result..
Well, here's a couple of thoughts...The thing that panicked them was as likely inside the tent, as was outside...
After all it was black outside, and very dark inside...How could they have seen clearly outside the tent...? The tent was made of dark, or black material it seems. I have winter camped, and it's very difficult to see outside the tent in the dark...So the thing that panicked them is un-likely to be outside. I have no idea what this was, just that I doubt it could have been clearly seen outside...
Second, the tears in the tent being 'cut" only from the inside...I feel free in rejecting this, as the only advice comes from a "seamstress." This was from the original report. This is far from "expert" opinion, that would NEVER be accepted in the West....in an inquest or any official report. She has NOT spent twenty years studying cuts, that's for sure. So, this opinion must be removed from official beliefs.
In the end, we are left with NOT knowing whether the cuts were made by getting out of the tent, or by some force cutting into the tent. I'm just saying her opinion is not a professional one, nor is it final, as a result..
In the end, we are left with NOT knowing whether the cuts were made by getting out of the tent, or by some force cutting into the tent. I'm just saying her opinion is not a professional one, nor is it final, as a result..
The tent could have been cut from the inside or outside, the problem is since we don't have a way to ascertain WHEN it was cut it doesn't really prove anything whether it was cut from the inside or outside. It could have been cut by the hikers as a means of escape, it could have been cut by someone who killed them a day or two later as a countermeasure.
Yes we only have someones word for it. But sometimes someones word is all that is needed. Apparently the Tent was examined properly. However in this Dyatlov Mystery it seems like all options are open. I have often thought about those cuts in the Tent and if they were indeed done from inside and not outside. Without the Tent as material Evidence we can not be certain. And the Tent, a crucial piece of Evidence, DISAPPEARED. We are told it became damaged whilst in storage and was thrown away. And if we are to believe that then we may as well believe anything.
The tent could have been cut from the inside or outside, the problem is since we don't have a way to ascertain WHEN it was cut it doesn't really prove anything whether it was cut from the inside or outside. It could have been cut by the hikers as a means of escape, it could have been cut by someone who killed them a day or two later as a countermeasure.
Yes we only have someones word for it. But sometimes someones word is all that is needed. Apparently the Tent was examined properly. However in this Dyatlov Mystery it seems like all options are open. I have often thought about those cuts in the Tent and if they were indeed done from inside and not outside. Without the Tent as material Evidence we can not be certain. And the Tent, a crucial piece of Evidence, DISAPPEARED. We are told it became damaged whilst in storage and was thrown away. And if we are to believe that then we may as well believe anything.
"You have to have the special knowledge that only special people have"
Aha Ha...! This "special" knowledge now includes ghosts and goblins, eh...? Then any hope to find what happened here is truly lost..
Here's a great hour long video documentary... That is very sensible and well-done...
https://youtu.be/lgNp_sfNX_g
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Having the tent physically in front of us might be able to hep us prove whether it was cut from the inside or out, but it wont tell us who did the cutting or when it was done. If you believe in the Yeti the tent was cut by the hikers in a panic, if you believe in the theory of murder then the tent was likely cut out by the killers. Just like the watches stopping at certain times, its great evidence but it is in no way conclusive and cannot prove when it was cut and who did the cutting.
Well obviously we dont have the Tent as evidence.
Having the tent physically in front of us might be able to hep us prove whether it was cut from the inside or out, but it wont tell us who did the cutting or when it was done. If you believe in the Yeti the tent was cut by the hikers in a panic, if you believe in the theory of murder then the tent was likely cut out by the killers. Just like the watches stopping at certain times, its great evidence but it is in no way conclusive and cannot prove when it was cut and who did the cutting.
Well obviously we dont have the Tent as evidence.
This is one of my favourite types, a plume of "hot steam?" rising from "nothing".
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/best-bizarre-footage-emerged-smoking-4042804 (https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/best-bizarre-footage-emerged-smoking-4042804)
I've seen a handful of these vids now over a few years, problem is tracking them down
This seems to be very similar to the Canada image
https://www.techeblog.com/us-air-force-ufo-alaska/ (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/air-force-pilots-str.uggle-explain-14187078)
N.B. the airforce seems puzzled by it and they know their contrails? kewl1 Canada image
https://youtu.be/Ge-gPIgsB9g (https://youtu.be/Ge-gPIgsB9g)
With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0
With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
This one got me excited. The Medvedistkaya ridge is considered a big tourist area for UFOlogists and curiosa tourists because of its lengthy history with fire orbs, ball lightning, magnetic anomalies, and even radiation (assumed to be from the ferrous soil and lightning and a scientific conversion that I am still in the process of cementing my understanding of.) The environment in this way is highly similar to what was witnessed at or near Dyatlov Pass around and after the incident. Magnetic anomaly, check. Fire orbs, check. Radiation, check. Weird deaths, check. Ferrous soil, I believe that was a check for Dyatlov, I have to verify, however. Reported sightings of burnt trees, check. To me, this tracks as in a higher plausibility than some of the other theories.
Coincidentally, I also read an excerpt last night that the US Air Force in Colorado was able to make ball lightning in a lab around 2013-2014 (and I found reference that China did in 2012.). (Nigel, somehow I was actually onto something there- they used electrodes in an electrolyte solution to create a ball of plasmoid! How I headed in that direction, I will never figure out, lol!!!!) I was trying to map out where people see ball lightning occur more frequently. You can find maps of sky to ground lightning (where every continent except the main area of Russia,) has at least one large area of very heavy lightning, but nothing in the way of mapping areas with a heavy concentration of ball lightning. So that is my next side project because if we have high concentrations of reported ball lightning that follow an air stream or geologic contours or any such common variable then, well I can geek out on data!!!
If this has been posted previously, forgive me. I'm still catching up.
Declassified CIA document of a reported "bright source of light" that sounds like it occurred in the region of the Kursk magnetic anomaly (east of the Urals but similar ferrous soils, similar sightings of "fire orbs" and UFO's for the area.)
If you poke around some of the other documents compiled here, there are several of interest in various ways; I'd never heard of "Sverdlovsk Sickness" or "Ural Sickness" but the Russian government listed "working conditions, weakened immune systems and *weather conditions*" as the top factors.
https://archive.org/details/CIAsX-Files-2015UFORelease/AERIAL%20OBSERVATION%20OF%20INTENSE%20SOURCE%20OF%20LIGHT%20DOC_0005515703
With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
This one got me excited. The Medvedistkaya ridge is considered a big tourist area for UFOlogists and curiosa tourists because of its lengthy history with fire orbs, ball lightning, magnetic anomalies, and even radiation (assumed to be from the ferrous soil and lightning and a scientific conversion that I am still in the process of cementing my understanding of.) The environment in this way is highly similar to what was witnessed at or near Dyatlov Pass around and after the incident. Magnetic anomaly, check. Fire orbs, check. Radiation, check. Weird deaths, check. Ferrous soil, I believe that was a check for Dyatlov, I have to verify, however. Reported sightings of burnt trees, check. To me, this tracks as in a higher plausibility than some of the other theories.
Coincidentally, I also read an excerpt last night that the US Air Force in Colorado was able to make ball lightning in a lab around 2013-2014 (and I found reference that China did in 2012.). (Nigel, somehow I was actually onto something there- they used electrodes in an electrolyte solution to create a ball of plasmoid! How I headed in that direction, I will never figure out, lol!!!!) I was trying to map out where people see ball lightning occur more frequently. You can find maps of sky to ground lightning (where every continent except the main area of Russia,) has at least one large area of very heavy lightning, but nothing in the way of mapping areas with a heavy concentration of ball lightning. So that is my next side project because if we have high concentrations of reported ball lightning that follow an air stream or geologic contours or any such common variable then, well I can geek out on data!!!
Strange Lights in the Sky described as Fire Orbs. But these Fire Orbs seem to be controlled ! ? Radiation. I doubt there would have been enough Radiation to cause the Geiger Counter to go off the Scale near the Tent, especially weeks after the Event.
If this has been posted previously, forgive me. I'm still catching up.Good post, I don't think it's been posted previously, a lot to take in there...
Declassified CIA document of a reported "bright source of light" that sounds like it occurred in the region of the Kursk magnetic anomaly (east of the Urals but similar ferrous soils, similar sightings of "fire orbs" and UFO's for the area.)
If you poke around some of the other documents compiled here, there are several of interest in various ways; I'd never heard of "Sverdlovsk Sickness" or "Ural Sickness" but the Russian government listed "working conditions, weakened immune systems and *weather conditions*" as the top factors.
https://archive.org/details/CIAsX-Files-2015UFORelease/AERIAL%20OBSERVATION%20OF%20INTENSE%20SOURCE%20OF%20LIGHT%20DOC_0005515703 (https://archive.org/details/CIAsX-Files-2015UFORelease/AERIAL%20OBSERVATION%20OF%20INTENSE%20SOURCE%20OF%20LIGHT%20DOC_0005515703)
He was taken off the investigation after a few days?With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it (https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it)
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
If he thought he saw craters I wonder why he didnt investigate them ! ?
No it doesn't. Craters are not so typical. Quite often it creates raised structures.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0)
Yeah thats what Lightning does. If it did to the Dyatlov Tent then there wouldnt have been much of the Tent left or the Dyatlov Group.
A near empty diesel tank (diesel doesn't ignite with sparks?). An exploding fuel tank would bulge the concrete, here there's just a crater.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0)
Lightning strike aided and abetted by a Fuel Tank
With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
If he thought he saw craters I wonder why he didnt investigate them ! ?
If this has been posted previously, forgive me. I'm still catching up.
Declassified CIA document of a reported "bright source of light" that sounds like it occurred in the region of the Kursk magnetic anomaly (east of the Urals but similar ferrous soils, similar sightings of "fire orbs" and UFO's for the area.)
If you poke around some of the other documents compiled here, there are several of interest in various ways; I'd never heard of "Sverdlovsk Sickness" or "Ural Sickness" but the Russian government listed "working conditions, weakened immune systems and *weather conditions*" as the top factors.
https://archive.org/details/CIAsX-Files-2015UFORelease/AERIAL%20OBSERVATION%20OF%20INTENSE%20SOURCE%20OF%20LIGHT%20DOC_0005515703
If true it seems that the Soviet Authorities told the Pilots to not ask questions about what they were seeing. Sounds a bit strange.
With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
This one got me excited. The Medvedistkaya ridge is considered a big tourist area for UFOlogists and curiosa tourists because of its lengthy history with fire orbs, ball lightning, magnetic anomalies, and even radiation (assumed to be from the ferrous soil and lightning and a scientific conversion that I am still in the process of cementing my understanding of.) The environment in this way is highly similar to what was witnessed at or near Dyatlov Pass around and after the incident. Magnetic anomaly, check. Fire orbs, check. Radiation, check. Weird deaths, check. Ferrous soil, I believe that was a check for Dyatlov, I have to verify, however. Reported sightings of burnt trees, check. To me, this tracks as in a higher plausibility than some of the other theories.
Coincidentally, I also read an excerpt last night that the US Air Force in Colorado was able to make ball lightning in a lab around 2013-2014 (and I found reference that China did in 2012.). (Nigel, somehow I was actually onto something there- they used electrodes in an electrolyte solution to create a ball of plasmoid! How I headed in that direction, I will never figure out, lol!!!!) I was trying to map out where people see ball lightning occur more frequently. You can find maps of sky to ground lightning (where every continent except the main area of Russia,) has at least one large area of very heavy lightning, but nothing in the way of mapping areas with a heavy concentration of ball lightning. So that is my next side project because if we have high concentrations of reported ball lightning that follow an air stream or geologic contours or any such common variable then, well I can geek out on data!!!
Strange Lights in the Sky described as Fire Orbs. But these Fire Orbs seem to be controlled ! ? Radiation. I doubt there would have been enough Radiation to cause the Geiger Counter to go off the Scale near the Tent, especially weeks after the Event.
You are such a buzz kill, lol!!
Remind me, who was it that saw the Geiger go off the scale at the tent? I know I wrote down the source but I'm not finding it in my notes.
EDIT: I think that came from Ivanov's article? I may have it under I for Ivanov and not R for radiation because my note taking makes complete sense :(
He was taken off the investigation after a few days?With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it (https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it)
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
If he thought he saw craters I wonder why he didnt investigate them ! ?
But it could explode under pressure. Any way it does show the power of Lightning.A near empty diesel tank (diesel doesn't ignite with sparks?). An exploding fuel tank would bulge the concrete, here there's just a crater.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrW2l-c5j0)
Lightning strike aided and abetted by a Fuel Tank
#With thanks to KFinn :-
https://earth-chronicles.com/anomalies/anomalies-of-the-medviditsa-ridge-russia.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anomalous%20zones%20of%20Russia%2C,it
"Known Medveditskaya ridge and terrible deaths. In 1990, a shepherd allegedly died there. The man flashed up like a match on a flat spot, and burnt to the ground in a matter of minutes. And in August 1993, the amateur-ufologist from Krasnodar Territory disappeared here. He went on scouting, and when they rushed to look for him, then on the spot where they saw the man for the last time, they found a giant funnel. "
.n.b. funnel=crater
Tempalov thought he saw craters at the foot of the west side of Kholat.
If he thought he saw craters I wonder why he didnt investigate them ! ?
Do we know for certain he didn't?
If this has been posted previously, forgive me. I'm still catching up.
Declassified CIA document of a reported "bright source of light" that sounds like it occurred in the region of the Kursk magnetic anomaly (east of the Urals but similar ferrous soils, similar sightings of "fire orbs" and UFO's for the area.)
If you poke around some of the other documents compiled here, there are several of interest in various ways; I'd never heard of "Sverdlovsk Sickness" or "Ural Sickness" but the Russian government listed "working conditions, weakened immune systems and *weather conditions*" as the top factors.
https://archive.org/details/CIAsX-Files-2015UFORelease/AERIAL%20OBSERVATION%20OF%20INTENSE%20SOURCE%20OF%20LIGHT%20DOC_0005515703
If true it seems that the Soviet Authorities told the Pilots to not ask questions about what they were seeing. Sounds a bit strange.
A couple thoughts come to mind.
-the authorities knew what it was and wanted no one to speak of it
-the authorities feared it was something developed by another country and didn't want the other country to think it was successful
-the author it is had no clue what it was and didn't want the pilots asking questions they couldn't answer
-the authorities thought the crew was nuts but didn't want them losing their jobs because they were good pilots