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sarapuk:

--- Quote from: GKM on January 27, 2021, 03:43:03 PM ---Let's see if we can discuss this without involving a yeti or a UFO.

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Well you make the mistake of introducing censorship in to your Investigation. In the Case Files you will find reference to Yeti and UFO.

sarapuk:

--- Quote from: GKM on January 27, 2021, 03:49:53 PM ---I also believe the order of their deaths and the placement of the bodies will tell us a great deal about what EXACTLY happened that night......or day.

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Yes thats what Members of the Forum have been doing since the Forum was set up, trying to figure out what actually happened.

Star man:

--- Quote from: GKM on January 27, 2021, 03:39:09 PM ---On the night the DG group died was there one single event that ended all their lives? Was there three separate events starting at the tent, another at the cedar tree, and yet another at the ravine? Are the three hikers dead on the slope a different event also? I believe one event set in motion a chain of semi events leading to their deaths. Three separate events seems impractical. My opinion is everything is connected therefore one event, in one way or the other, was the downfall of all the group. Something set off a chain reaction that they could not stop or perhaps were unable to stop, and I believe, my opinion only, that it started early in the hike, without their knowledge, and finally caught up with them.

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Yes, one event, that triggered other events that led to their deaths.  A huge explosion followed by an avalanche, of melt water, snow, ice, mud and rocks into the ravine area where they were camped?  See topic posted earlier.

Regards

Star man

 

eurocentric:
I reached the conclusion that Semyon's camera is the key to everything, the DPI cypher. The only theories which seem to work, tick the most boxes, are those which include why Semyon had a camera around his neck. It doesn't even require a subjective interpretation of the exposures, just why he had that camera around his neck during whatever unfolded.

It's the equivalent of your house being on fire and people are surprised you didn't grab your family photo's or valuables, just a telephone directory. The camera is useless for survival, but it may be useful for documenting evidence should you live or die, and you may hang on to it because of what you hope it already reveals.

This is why emergency theories like avalanche, slab slip, mudslides etc don't fit, unless, at a stretch, Semyon happened to be tinkering with his camera, the strap around his neck, when this happened and it then remains with him and it and the strap survives the disaster. But the greater likelihood is he made an active choice to take it, and above other tools more useful for survival.

The theories which include the camera are those which involve either an attack of some kind, or the fear of one. The camera provides incriminating evidence, where because it's minus a flashgun only the noise of the shutter may give the game away in the dark.

All these theories revolve around one initiating event where the consequences of the extreme environment then unfold. I don't believe that Murphy's Law delivered the worst hand through a single night, so that, for example, ball lightning chased them off the ridge after which they were hectored by third party humans and then died of the cold.

Military - accidental killing/mistaken identity at night, likely thermobaric grenades, fuel-air mixture expanding before igniting, delayed lung damage, embolisms, and soiling themselves, due to the way a vacuum bomb interacts with air/gas in the chest, blood/brain (microscopically) and intestines, head injuries from shrapnel or from being thrown by blastwave. Cover-up next day, resiting of tent, or if all hikers died at the tent on the ridge, the repositioning of the bodies at the cedar and den, to imply death was due to natural causes.

Deer hunter/Mansi/escapees - use hiker tracks to & from tent, force hikers out unprepared, occupy tent overnight, eat their food, vandalise tent in morning. Motive resentment, for Mansi/deerhunter, perhaps at 'noisy tourists' scaring off deer. Escapees, for food & shelter, perfect overnight cover from military search. Hikers die of the cold, possibly some finished off by Mansi to bury the truth as events will rebound on their community forever.

Group dispute & split - high stress on the ridge, knife fight in tent, knife held aloft by wrist pinned by another hiker, tent scored and then cut, tent useless. Cannot stay together overnight, or think survival chances better elsewhere, so Semyon's group leaves to dig a den (doesn't need wood cutting tools), Igor's group stays, then leaves to light fire as the cold descends (forgets tools & full clothing due to hypothermic effects). Fire fails, two die, then a Lord Of The Flies battle occurs, explaining knuckle injuries to the 3 most athletic, where the den 4 are murdered and their bodies put in the ravine. The victors occupy the den, and at first light try to return to the tent but die of exhaustion and exposure.

Fear- either after a direct confrontation, the hikers vulnerable and unarmed, or simply the fear of one drives them up the mountain unprepared, without sufficient fuel, and the cold does the rest in such an exposed position, and from exhaustion and the cold thereafter.

DAXXY:
There is a danger that just because it appears to be a mystery that there must be some sinister 'others' that are involved, but it need not be the case.  Terrible things happen for mundane and easily explainable reasons.

The Buryatia  Incident August 1993
https://dyatlovpass.com/hamar-daban
A group of tourists from Kazakhstan, led by professional climber Lyudmila Korovina. Once they made it to Buryatia, the group set out on a journey across the Chamar-Daban mountain range on 2 August. The weather wasn’t on their side: it was pouring down cold rain and snow. Nevertheless, the group continued on their route relatively safely until 5 August.

Six out of seven in their group did not survive.
The only survivor, Valentina Utochenko, 17, later wrote in a statement how, during the difficult descent, carried out in near zero visibility, one of the members of the group was struck down hard, foaming at the mouth and bleeding from the ears. The rest of the group shortly developed the same symptoms.

(Yuri Doroshenko autopsy....right cheek soft tissue covered with gray foam; gray liquid coming form his open mouth. Most apparent cause is pulmonary edema).

The six members who died had done so almost simultaneously, after rolling around on the ground, tearing their clothes off and clutching their throats. The young woman was left alone. Nearly unconscious, she navigated the power lines until she reached the river at the bottom, where she was rescued by a group of kayaking tourists.

Chivruay 1973
https://dyatlovpass.com/chivruay-incident-2?lid=1

'The same day I flew to Irkutsk with the rescue team of our university's mountaineering club and spent more than a week completing the search that was launched when he disappeared in 1972. I can draw similarities between this episode and the search for Dyatlov group. The body was very badly and quickly destroyed by water after thawing. During the whole winter, the body was frozen in ice near the bank of the Kitoy River, near the Fedyushkina River, 13 km (8 mi) down from where it had disappeared.'
'We arrived 5 or 6 days later and found that parts of body tissues washed with water were almost completely destroyed to the bone'
'This was an illustration of the damage water can do in less than a week'.

'It is necessary to note an important observation, very often referred to in the Dyatlov case, the red or orange color of the bodies. The discoloration is attributed to anything but natural causes (see #Orange). In fact, the recently extracted frozen body does have a reddish color, more accurately red-orange. It's a common occurrence in deaths due to cold. The precise medical definition can be found in the Handbook of Forensic Medicine, it’s called frosty erythema or Keferstein stains.'

'All members of the group who left the tent were adequately dressed but the weather was extreme. Survival under such conditions is a big challenge in general. Everyone had a full set of hiking clothes and extra sweaters. Some had double and triple wool sweaters. Lidiya Martina, Valentin Zemlyanov and Artyom Lekant were wearing insulated jackets. Ilya Altshuler was additionally wearing a warm aviation winter jacket but he didn't wear gloves. Judging by all indications, he died of total exhaustion and lost muscles tone. It is enough to stop only for a few minutes and an irreversible cooling process would begin'.

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