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Unknow diary 01.02.1959

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ilahiyol:

--- Quote from: Manti on February 11, 2022, 02:28:04 PM ---I think -15C is a good assumption. How to get water there? The only ways I can think of is: melt snow, which needs a heat source, or go down to the stream in the forest and drink there. Maybe bring back water, though it might freeze on the way.

And if it's -15 outside, it's going to be the same inside the tent, without heating. Just as cold, only less windy. That they wouldn't have undressed in the unheated tent is not my thought, I'm just repeating it, it comes from Yuri Kuntsevich.

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The evening the tent was set up, the outside temperature was likely between -10 and -20 degrees Celsius. Average -15 degrees. With the effect of this temperature wind, it can rise to -25 and more. All of their clothes were on when the group made the tent. Because the outside temperature was between -15 and -25 degrees. However, the inside of the tent is at least 10 degrees warmer than the outside environment. Because there is no cold wind and people's body temperature and breathing warm the environment. In other words, the temperature between -15 and -25 outside falls between -5 and -15 degrees in the tent. And the young people who are already busy setting up the tent may have started to sweat a little. And it is necessary to remove sweat from the body as soon as possible. That's why young people, especially those who set up the tent, took off their outer clothes.

ilahiyol:
That's why young people, especially those who set up the tent, took off their outer clothes. So they dried immediately. And I guess Semyon Tibo and the two women didn't bother setting up the tent. Because they had all their clothes on when they were found. They may have set up 2 partially naked Yuri, Dytlov, Rustam, Kolevatov tents. Also, the 10 degree temperature difference inside and outside the tent is a significant difference. In fact, if there is a strong cold wind outside, this temperature difference can go up to 15 or even 20 degrees! In such a situation, someone who enters the tent feels as if he has entered a warm environment. And if there is sweat due to work, it will definitely take off the outer clothes on the body. This is certain. That's what 80% of people do.

GlennM:
Heat and,drinking water, excellent! If the tent were relocated from the forest to the slope as some suggest, would the lack of these two things be a troublesome omission? Now, if tent was pitched in the forest, an outside cooking fire could be made, but if wood for a cooking fire was had, then why not also heat the tent? After all, this is a Russian winter. Camping on 1079 at elevation 880 has two important downsides, no heat nor hydration. Camping in the woods could eliminate those inconveniences. Yet, conspirators moving the tent to 880 on 1079 have this problem in staging the scene.

When the DP9 were in the woods at some point, they had stream water to drink. Did they boil it, drink it ice cold?  Where is the kettle or cups?

Ziljoe:
The water is an interesting problem. It's been mentioned before but hydration is an issue. They could keep water in flasks or their body or under the blankets. But you also want hot fluids . Especially if you don't have heat. It's one of the things I think about , irrelevant to the deaths. There must be ways to do it as many a person or military personnel have survived in cold conditions. I'll need to have a search.

GlennM:
Ziljoe, the water issue is grist to the mill. Too, it is assumed that the hikers did not make a fire on 1079.,I understand this decision was to reduce weight going to Otorten after laying the cache previously. I  suppose the plan was to bring wood back from Ortoten. It would certainly be less trouble to carry because the camp already made on 1079. That seems odd. If they planned to return with firewood, they could have set up the stove and kept warm the night of the tragedy with some wood from the cache. It is also troublesome because the skis needed to get to Otorten were under the tent,.The tent would be cast down.

So the question of melt water emerges. I await your findings and report. If they were not going to heat ice, then what? Cold water for drinking only makes hypothermia worse, yes?

Also, drinking alcohol is problematic. It dehydrates the drinker, dilates blood vessels, thus increasing heat loss. Vodka would be a poor fluid substitute for water or canned milk.

Teddy's tent in the forest hypothesis gets some additional credibility owing to the proximity of both wood and water for the DP9. I still can't wrap my head around the foresters relocating the tent, nor the presence of third parties with hostile intent.

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