Theories Discussion > The stove
Why did they leave
Per Inge Oestmoen:
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--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on May 03, 2018, 08:29:31 AM ---If there had been smoke, nothing would have prevented the trekkers from staying to solve the problem right there.
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The weather while standing outside the tent trying to deal with the smoke would be what prevented them from staying long enough. They had to decide whether the tent was usable before they started suffering hypothermia, or find shelter elsewhere. They weren't properly dressed, and they were exposed to the wind on the side of a mountain.
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on May 03, 2018, 08:29:31 AM ---There is still less reason to believe that people who had smoke in their tent would choose to move more than a kilometer away in the cold,
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The mile away is where the tree line was. There's no in between spot. You stay at the tent or go to the trees.
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on May 03, 2018, 08:29:31 AM ---There simply is no ground for assuming that there was any smoke in the tent that could force the nine to leave their tent.
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It all depends on whether the stove was used that night to heat up the tent and their food/drink, and then disassembled, possibly because of the wind on the slope. I've seen discrepancies in what condition the stove was found in. If it had unused wood, then it wasn't used. But if it had embers, then it most likely was. So which was it?
One problem we have to deal with in these sort of cases is that some of the evidence is ambigious or contradictory. Depends on who remembers seeing what. Unless the stove was photographed or it's condition was carefully documented, we're going off the search team's memory. Did the investigators bother to examine it? If so, did they report what was inside the stove?
The big advantage of the stove theory is that we know for a fact it was inside the tent, and that smoke is very hard on humans in a confined area.
--- Quote from: Per Inge Oestmoen on May 03, 2018, 08:29:31 AM ---But Zina had much more serious trouble than just a nosebleed
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Right, but did she acquire the rest of those injuries gathering firewood, digging out the snow den, and trying to return to the tent?
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1. The temperature in the area at the night of February 1 was no more than -13 to -18, according to weather reports from the time. There also was moderate wind and thus little wind chill effect. For these reasons, hypothermia would not set in before many minutes. The students would have time to wait for the smoke to disappear while they were ventilating the tent. There is nothing that would have prevented them from doing that.
It seems very unlikely that smoke in the tent could force them to go a mile and seek shelter when they could just open the entrance and let the smoke out. A smoke scenario simply would hardly necessitate a long absence from the tent. Most importantly, the students were insufficiently dressed for a night in the winter and would not have left the tent without a very compelling reason. And it is quite a stretch to believe that smoke from the tent could be such a reason.
2. We have to consider the injuries. Are these injuries the kinds of injury one is likely to get by gathering wood and digging in the snow?
3. All the members of the Dyatlov group - every single one - had suffered various forms and degrees of injury consistent with a human attack with evil intent. It simply is not conceivable that the pattern of injuries found could have been caused by walking around and digging in the snow or collecting firewood.
CalzagheChick:
It's pretty absurd to think that 9 people chose to chance it a mile off into the woods without shoes or proper clothing to certain death than to stay with their shelter. They had needles and thread with them as evidenced by the scuffle between Lyudmila and another member when Zina said, "Plenty of sewing for all of us." Had they damaged their tent (and I no longer believe they did), they'd more certainly have stayed with it and worked all night to mend the slits or holes with a needle and thread rather than chase after the Siberian winter and go at it one on one with mother nature.
Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: CalzagheChick on June 03, 2018, 03:10:15 PM ---It's pretty absurd to think that 9 people chose to chance it a mile off into the woods without shoes or proper clothing to certain death than to stay with their shelter. They had needles and thread with them as evidenced by the scuffle between Lyudmila and another member when Zina said, "Plenty of sewing for all of us." Had they damaged their tent (and I no longer believe they did), they'd more certainly have stayed with it and worked all night to mend the slits or holes with a needle and thread rather than chase after the Siberian winter and go at it one on one with mother nature.
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I fully agree with everything you said there.
There was no reason why they would damage their tent, and there is no proof that they did.
Also, there is no reason why they would voluntarily leave their tent improperly dressed and flee a mile away in the Siberian winter.
Loose}{Cannon:
The stove was unpacked but in the 'stowed' position. The log that was said to be transported with them was taken out of the stove and was found at the far back/right of the tent. I believe they were going to make a fire. Just add kindling.
Blkdahlia:
Is it possible the stove was not set up because the person who set up the tent scene did not know how to set it up?
And once again I ask the same question. Was the tent scene staged?
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