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cib:
Hello and congratulations for the forum because it is very complete. I simply provide three aspects:
1. In 1959 there was a military chemical weapons laboratory in Burmantovo, which is 19 km from Vizhay and 78km from the Dyatlov Pass, and on January 25 when the expedition says goodbye to Vizhay from a contingent of troops heading to its base . In 1960 the installation was closed and transferred to Military Complex 19, created in 1946 and also located in Sverdlovsk Oblast.
Sources:
- https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizhai
- https://dyatlovpass.com/diaries?lid=1#25jan (1,2,15)
- Location: https://postimg.cc/PP78XqMP / https://postimg.cc/mz8Lpc5V
2. Parts and fuselages such as the UR-100 missile that were launched since 1965 have been found in the area. On February 2, 1959, there is a launch from Kasputin Yar of a R5-M missile and in the coordinates: I have located less than 1,500 m a possible rock formation that could also be an impact of a meteoroid, a lightning or a missile. I have made a sketch and the coordinates are:61°45'48.6"N 59°24'30.2"E
Sources:
- https://kp.ua/life/552995-nedaleko-ot-perevala-diatlova-naiden-neopoznannyi-obekt-eta-shtukovyna-tochno-upala-s-neba
- http://www.astronautix.com/k/kapustinyar.html
- Sketch: https://postimg.cc/5XmDpRPP
3. It is frequent to read in various articles that the expedition reigned harmony and happiness, but it is not true:
3.1. Diary of Igor Dyatlov, day 28:
"The suspended stove radiates heat and divides the store into two sections. The back section is occupied by me and Zina. Nobody wants to sleep by the stove. We agree that Yurka Kri (Krivonischenko) will sleep there. On the other side the service person sleeps (Sasha Kolevatov). Yurka could not stand the heat and, after lying down for 1-2 minutes, got up and went to the second section cursing and accusing us of treason. After that, they kept arguing about something for a long time, but in the end everything was quiet. "
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/dyatlov-group-diary
3.2. Diary of Zinaida Kolmogorova: day 28:
"Burned mittens and the second padded jacket of Yurkin. He cursed a lot"
"Last night the kids made stupid jokes. In my opinion, if we do not pay attention to them, they may be less rude "
day 29:
"We went to bed to sleep, Igor was rude all night, I just could not recognize him. I had to sleep on the wood near the stove."
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/zinaida-kolmogorova-diary
Thank you.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: cib on February 22, 2019, 12:10:57 PM ---Hello and congratulations for the forum because it is very complete. I simply provide three aspects:
1. In 1959 there was a military chemical weapons laboratory in Burmantovo, which is 19 km from Vizhay and 78km from the Dyatlov Pass, and on January 25 when the expedition says goodbye to Vizhay from a contingent of troops heading to its base . In 1960 the installation was closed and transferred to Military Complex 19, created in 1946 and also located in Sverdlovsk Oblast.
Sources:
- https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizhai
- https://dyatlovpass.com/diaries?lid=1#25jan (1,2,15)
- Location: https://postimg.cc/PP78XqMP / https://postimg.cc/mz8Lpc5V
2. Parts and fuselages such as the UR-100 missile that were launched since 1965 have been found in the area. On February 2, 1959, there is a launch from Kasputin Yar of a R5-M missile and in the coordinates: I have located less than 1,500 m a possible rock formation that could also be an impact of a meteoroid, a lightning or a missile. I have made a sketch and the coordinates are:61°45'48.6"N 59°24'30.2"E
Sources:
- https://kp.ua/life/552995-nedaleko-ot-perevala-diatlova-naiden-neopoznannyi-obekt-eta-shtukovyna-tochno-upala-s-neba
- http://www.astronautix.com/k/kapustinyar.html
- Sketch: https://postimg.cc/5XmDpRPP
3. It is frequent to read in various articles that the expedition reigned harmony and happiness, but it is not true:
3.1. Diary of Igor Dyatlov, day 28:
"The suspended stove radiates heat and divides the store into two sections. The back section is occupied by me and Zina. Nobody wants to sleep by the stove. We agree that Yurka Kri (Krivonischenko) will sleep there. On the other side the service person sleeps (Sasha Kolevatov). Yurka could not stand the heat and, after lying down for 1-2 minutes, got up and went to the second section cursing and accusing us of treason. After that, they kept arguing about something for a long time, but in the end everything was quiet. "
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/dyatlov-group-diary
3.2. Diary of Zinaida Kolmogorova: day 28:
"Burned mittens and the second padded jacket of Yurkin. He cursed a lot"
"Last night the kids made stupid jokes. In my opinion, if we do not pay attention to them, they may be less rude "
day 29:
"We went to bed to sleep, Igor was rude all night, I just could not recognize him. I had to sleep on the wood near the stove."
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/zinaida-kolmogorova-diary
Thank you.
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Good Post. I have a few issues though. First, the Hunter who found a large metallic object, which is probably of military origin and from an aircraft, lived and hunted about 30 kilometres from the Dyatlov Pass. So thats a good distance away and hardly likely to have been connected with what happened at The Dyatlov pass. Secondly, the fact that there was a Chemical Factory at Burmantovo doesnt mean it is relevant to what happened at the Dyatlov Pass. Burmantovo being about 78 kilometres away. Thirdly, regarding the comradeship of the Dyatlov Group. I dont think we can read too much into certain entries in Diaries. Look at all of the photographs. The old saying, every picture tells a story. It looks to me and Iam sure most people would agree, that the Dyatlov Group got on very well together.
WAB:
--- Quote from: cib on February 22, 2019, 12:10:57 PM ---Hello and congratulations for the forum because it is very complete. I simply provide three aspects:
1. In 1959 there was a military chemical weapons laboratory in Burmantovo, which is 19 km from Vizhay and 78km from the Dyatlov Pass, and on January 25 when the expedition says goodbye to Vizhay from a contingent of troops heading to its base . In 1960 the installation was closed and transferred to Military Complex 19, created in 1946 and also located in Sverdlovsk Oblast.
Sources:
- https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizhai
- https://dyatlovpass.com/diaries?lid=1#25jan (1,2,15)
- Location: https://postimg.cc/PP78XqMP / https://postimg.cc/mz8Lpc5V
2. Parts and fuselages such as the UR-100 missile that were launched since 1965 have been found in the area. On February 2, 1959, there is a launch from Kasputin Yar of a R5-M missile and in the coordinates: I have located less than 1,500 m a possible rock formation that could also be an impact of a meteoroid, a lightning or a missile. I have made a sketch and the coordinates are:61°45'48.6"N 59°24'30.2"E
Sources:
- https://kp.ua/life/552995-nedaleko-ot-perevala-diatlova-naiden-neopoznannyi-obekt-eta-shtukovyna-tochno-upala-s-neba
- http://www.astronautix.com/k/kapustinyar.html
- Sketch: https://postimg.cc/5XmDpRPP
3. It is frequent to read in various articles that the expedition reigned harmony and happiness, but it is not true:
3.1. Diary of Igor Dyatlov, day 28:
"The suspended stove radiates heat and divides the store into two sections. The back section is occupied by me and Zina. Nobody wants to sleep by the stove. We agree that Yurka Kri (Krivonischenko) will sleep there. On the other side the service person sleeps (Sasha Kolevatov). Yurka could not stand the heat and, after lying down for 1-2 minutes, got up and went to the second section cursing and accusing us of treason. After that, they kept arguing about something for a long time, but in the end everything was quiet. "
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/dyatlov-group-diary
3.2. Diary of Zinaida Kolmogorova: day 28:
"Burned mittens and the second padded jacket of Yurkin. He cursed a lot"
"Last night the kids made stupid jokes. In my opinion, if we do not pay attention to them, they may be less rude "
day 29:
"We went to bed to sleep, Igor was rude all night, I just could not recognize him. I had to sleep on the wood near the stove."
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/zinaida-kolmogorova-diary
Thank you.
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CIB what for it is necessary to extend fake and frankly false information?
Here this phrase is completely false: « In 1959 there was a military chemical weapons laboratory in Burmantovo, which is 19 km from Vizhay and 78km from the Dyatlov Pass, and on January 25 when the expedition says goodbye to Vizhay from a contingent of troops heading to its base . In 1960 the installation was closed and transferred to Military Complex 19, created in 1946 and also located in Sverdlovsk Oblast. »
1.Never and anywhere, except a small site of Chistop mountain (from 1972 to 1986), there was not any military men. Without considering protection of several labour camps. Nearest of them was in Vizhay. It extends on all Ivdelsky municipal district.
2.“Army Top Vizhay”- it is big fake, than all the rest. It is settlement of woodcutters in which was is not more white 39 persons during the most good period. By the military man there to do absolutely it is possible nothing. They do not have any purpose.
3.There is a reference to the very badly made site in the Spanish section Wikipedia, about Vizhay. One that there is said that - I quote: “With the population of 5649 inhabitants in September, 2012” - is obvious lie. In 2010 by fire has burnt down all settlement, and all population has been moved to the Ivdel city. When in 2012 we together with the American writer Donnie Eichar were in Vizhae its population be 8 persons.
Panorama Vizhay settlement in 2012
4.The Most "outstanding" pearl of this site is that - I quote: “The Vizhay City is located on bank Birch river” (It is a fake. Vizhay settlement it is located on bank Vizhay river.)
5.About launch with co-ordinates «61 ° 45'48.6" N 59 ° 24'30.2"E»: here are felt a certain Valentine Degtyaryov's cut tail about which it has already been told at this forum: http://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=323.0
By the way it has missed and " hit" in interfluve the third and fourth inflow the Lozva river to 400 m from where there was tent. Instead of in that place in which he specified earlier. On it I will not be surprised, if he true IP-address is suspiciously similar to his IP-address from other Russian forum. It can be detected even if he writes through Anonymizer. If man have good preparation in IP-technologies.
Addition possible tell that this information too is a fake too, because launch rocket R-5M from Kapustin Jar was, but the rocket flied in perfect other direction, has flown by all apprx. 900 km, it have found immediately, and distance to that point that it has resulted more than 2000 km, and the maximum range for Р-5М is equal 1200 km.
For big persuasiveness this CIB has resulted also citations from diaries, but too partly fake. It can be not clear in translation, but if at the one who reads, and who Russian is native language it is visible approximately at once.
This style of representation information is borrowed Hitlerite fascist Goebbels: “Always to the big lie it is necessary to add a few truths that would look similar. And if the size lie more, and faster in it will believe”.
WAB:
--- Quote from: sarapuk on February 22, 2019, 01:35:23 PM ---
Good Post. I have a few issues though. First, the Hunter who found a large metallic object, which is probably of military origin and from an aircraft, lived and hunted about 30 kilometres from the Dyatlov Pass. So thats a good distance away and hardly likely to have been connected with what happened at The Dyatlov pass. Secondly, the fact that there was a Chemical Factory at Burmantovo doesnt mean it is relevant to what happened at the Dyatlov Pass. Burmantovo being about 78 kilometres away. Thirdly, regarding the comradeship of the Dyatlov Group. I dont think we can read too much into certain entries in Diaries. Look at all of the photographs. The old saying, every picture tells a story. It looks to me and Iam sure most people would agree, that the Dyatlov Group got on very well together.
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Probably you have decided me to surprise, if so easily trust to fake messages.
I have very big suspicion that is tricks of one Russian adventurer and the expert about similar fakes. It is his style of giving information.
Plane and rocket fragments on this place have more later origin. Therefore yet have not invented time machine, they cannot be sent at the time of Dyatlov group.
cib:
Hello sarapuk, thanks for answering. Allow me 3 aspects:
1. I have not written that the fuselage remains and pieces found from the UR-100 missile are connected to what happened at the Dyatlov pass in 1959, since the missile is operational since the mid-60s. What I wanted to state, is that in said territorial area there is proof of missile impact. Therefore, I think it could be relevant to study the possible impact that I have located in the coordinates of the previous post.
2. Regarding the military chemical weapons laboratory of Burmantovo, which was closed a year after the tragedy, my intention was not to relate it directly but to confirm as a historical anecdote that the expedition was photographed on the 25th with a military contingent and finally, verify the existence of military complexes in said territorial area.
3. The photographs capture an instant and the newspapers reflect data. In my opinion, which is based on the diaries of Igor and Zina, are reflected several conflicts that could have been the trigger of a situation of unpredictable consequences.
Hello WAB, 3 aspects:
In my opinion, I am not spreading any false information. I have entered the forum to inform me. Is it clear to you?
1. According to Wikipedia, the military chemical laboratory was in the vicinity of Vizhay and was closed in 1960. I think I've located it in Burmantovo, so your explanation about Mount Chistop is a misrepresentation of yours.
2. There is proof of a release in Kasputin Yar and I have reflected it in the first post. Can you give me your sources of where the R-5M fell?
3. That a Russian blogger and I have coincided in observing with curiosity a possible missile impact does not imply that he agrees with it, because it can also be a natural formation or also a crater caused by a meteoroid or lightning.
Best regards to both
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