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My theory and it is pretty simple.
Ziljoe:
Perhaps , I struggled with it too though if that helps.
The tent was made out of two similar tents , where it joined in the middle it would have had some serious stitching at some point in time.
There is no need to mention patches or stitching as that would be self evident. The investigators are only reporting what should not be there or what is there that they don't understand or is unusual.
A cut is unusual as opposed to a tear , a tear could be caused by the wind , the poor handling of the tent by the searchers etc. A cut is a deliberate action by something or someone ,meaning , the are reporting that those three cuts( there are lots of holes/tears as we can see in the photo) were done by deliberately, with no repairs , patches, or sewing afterwards. When the investigators received that tent from the helicopter that took it from the hillside and they got in the office to look at under a microscope, they found the side panels of the tent had been cut. They report that the cuts had been made from the inside as the material showed signs of the cutting instrument/tool/ knife starting and making marks before it had penetrated the material/canvas. That's all they report . We fill in the blanks and argue ....
John Proxy:
"We fill in the blanks and argue ...."
Haha too funny.. Truth!
J Proxy
John Proxy:
Apparently, Natalya Saharova, who is a forensics expert and look at the case has observations about the tent examination that bothers her as much as it does me.
https://dyatlovpass.com/natalya-saharova-KP?rbid=18461
J Proxy.
Ziljoe:
The Dyatlov pass is full of experts , as are our governments and financial banking experts, yet people still starve and are poor.
I think she wrote this in 2014 but some things have come to light since.
Ultimately, everything seems to follow a slightly apathetic search and rescue process . A number of reasons are put forward for the delay but it starts on the 20th I think with helicopters and aeroplanes.
From the searchers perspective they were hoping, or expecting to find them alive , until the first body was found no one any facts to suspect anything.
A number of speculations are discussed amongst the various people involved from top to bottom of the command and at different times . ( One being they might have tried to leave the country) Remember, we get hit with 5 months of information in one go with details that the searchers wouldn't have had , it's obvious to us , in hindsight, why didn't they take more photographs, why didn't they look after the tent,etc. We get frustrated and it can look like a cover-up from the information we now have .
There was another group of hikers that went missing or were delayed on returning from their hike, this may have caused some confusion with paper work and people getting the two incidents mixed up.
Every effort is made to find the route of the hikers and searchers are dropped off at the beginning and ending of the known route and in-between. This is a sensible search and rescue approach, there's no conspiracy in that action.
The tent is eventually found on the 26th , it has hard snow on top of it and the two searchers have a look inside, they say they used an ice axe to come in from the top and maybe made a hole when doing so, they later state that they weren't told what to if they found the tent, no one had been instructed what to do in the event of it being a crime scene, there was no reason to suspect a crime.
They found 4 bodies the day after , the first 2 were found by following the footsteps down the slope . More speculation occurs amongst the searchers , was it the wind, a hurricane, a rocket, Mansi etc
The belongings are counted and documented at the tent , there are no immediate signs of foot prints around the tent .( Remember, the snow and wind have been blowing for 3 weeks) . The footprints that are found say 8 or 9 separate paths are found, some in socks or bare feet and some in boots or shoes.
When they find the first 4 bodies they are in socks or bare feet , which is basically the day after the discovery of the tent . Everything looks like they left the tent at went to the tree line under their own will or choice.
The sappers with metal detectors decided that it won't help because there is there is perhaps not enough metal on the rest of the victims so they prope the slope going down , day by day . The 5th hiker is found shortly after . From the autopsy of the first 5 hikers , nothing untoward is found other than bruising, minor cuts, frostbite and burns on the hikers next to the fire. Slobidin is found to have a fracture in his skull but no swelling at the fracture. This is suggested as falling. ( Later possible knowledge about freezing, found that as fluids freeze they expand and has caused minor fractures in skulls).
So that's all the information the investigators have up to mid March . Diaries are looked at and the photos are developed . Mansi are questioned, the tent is looked at and I think it was an expert, not some random seamstress.
From mid March until May the 5th , over 6 weeks , nothing is found, searchers are tired and perhaps burnt out. When the last 4 bodies are found they have decayed and this is explained in the autopsy. The rib fractures and skull fracture do raise questions because they are hard to explain for some as the damage is unusual in that environment.
We have a number of suggestions for these broken bones , I lean towards a snow cave collapse in that ravine directly on top of them. Others suggest they fell in to the ravine , perhaps through a snow bridge, teddy presents us with a fallen tree ( which there are tree ring dates of a fallen tree at the ceder) , others suggest a fight, clubs , outsiders.
I could go on but the point is , the investigation doesn't seem to be botched as such , it just got stranger as time went on. Silence and embarrassment by the institution's may have came after , they couldn't explain it , safety and procedures by the UPI would be questioned , the cold war is going on, rockets are being tested , everyone is secretive, there's not much they can do about it , it was an accident or....it's one of the 99 odd versions .
I suggest reading the case files and the radiograms if you haven't already, the reports seem quite factual and shows mild confusion with what they should be doing which leaves thinking that there's no cover up.
GlennM:
If I understand this proposal, the tourists split in two groups, one to make camp, the other to shape a den. To me this is an unfair,division of labor based on a remote probability of needing a den. Next, if a den was made, then having a fire at the cedar makes less sense to me than waiting and making fire at the den.
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