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Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Олег Таймень:
Organizers: Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov.
A large expedition trip to this legendary and extremely anomalous place in the Northern Urals starts at the end of January’24 from Yekaterinburg. Participants will completely repeat the path of Dyatlov’s group and spend three nights in a tent at the site of the 1959 tragedy.
At the Pass itself, three days and three overnight stays are planned: two at the Dyatlov Tent Site and one in the Cedar area. This will allow you to both relax after several days of skiing and conduct a whole series of scientific experiments that can shed light on the course of the tragedy!
Details: https://vk.com/event222897791
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов.
Большой экспедиционный поход к этому легендарному и крайне аномальному месту Северного Урала стартует в конце января’24 из Екатеринбурга. Участники полностью повторят путь группы Дятлова и проведут три ночи в палатке на месте трагедии 1959 года.
На самом Перевале планируется трое суток и три ночевки: две на Месте Дятловской Палатки и одну в районе Кедра. Это позволит как отдохнуть после нескольких дней лыжного перехода, так и провести целый ряд научных экспериментов, которые могут пролить свет на ход трагедии!
Подробности: https://vk.com/event222897791
Олег Таймень:
Please write assignments for this expedition. What experiments should be carried out, in your opinion?
Пишите, пожалуйста, задания на эту экспедицию.. Какие эксперименты нужно провести, по вашему мнению ?
Tasks that have already been generated can be viewed at this link in my section: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=180#p1381
Задания, которые уже сформированы, можно посмотреть по этой ссылке в моём разделе: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=180#p1381
Олег Таймень:
The most difficult day in terms of workload for the Dyatlov group is January 31. Traveled approximately 7.3 km. in 7 hours.
We left at 10.00. At 16.00 they are at the highest point of the ascent of the route on January 31. We climbed for 6 hours through the deep snow of a dark coniferous forest with a height difference of 375 meters. It's very hard.
Самый сложный день по нагрузке у группы Дятлова 31 января. Пройдено приблизительно 7,3 км. за 7 часов.
Вышли в 10.00. В 16.00 находятся в верхней точке подъёма маршрута 31 января. Поднимались 6 часов вверх по глубокому снегу темнохвойного леса с перепадом высоты 375 метров. Это очень тяжело.
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A site with a difference in height through deep snow in a dark coniferous forest area with rubble and obstacles.
For a segment of 5.7 km. there is a 375 meter difference in height
Участок с перепадом высоты по глубокому снегу в зоне темнохвойного леса с завалами и препятствиями.
На отрезок 5,7 км. приходится 375 метров перепада по высоте
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January 31 in the diary of Dyatlov’s group
31 января в дневнике группы Дятлова
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We left at 10.00. At 16.00 they are at the highest point of the ascent of the route on January 31. We climbed for 6 hours through the deep snow of a dark coniferous forest with a height difference of 375 meters. This is very difficult, given the accumulated fatigue over the previous days. Analyzing the diary entries for January 30, we see that signs of psychological incompatibility are beginning to appear in the group. The duty officers re do not want to be on duty on time, Luda is very offended by something. No one wants to calm her down and everyone is outraged by something... These moments can be called minor quarrels. This often happens in groups, against the backdrop of accumulated physical fatigue, when nervous breakdowns begin. In this case, you need a day and proper rest.
Вышли в 10.00. В 16.00 находятся в верхней точке подъёма маршрута 31 января. Поднимались 6 часов вверх по глубокому снегу темнохвойного леса с перепадом высоты 375 метров. Это очень тяжело, учитывая накопившуюся усталость за предыдущие дни. Анализируя записи дневников за 30 января, мы видим, что в группе начинают проявляться признаки психологической не совместимости. Дежурные повторно не желают вовремя дежурить, Люда чем то сильно обижена. Никто не желает её успокаивать и все чем то возмущены.. Эти моменты можно назвать мелкими ссорами. Такое часто происходит в группах, на фоне накопившейся физической усталости, когда начинаются нервные срывы. В этом случае нужна днёвка и полноценный отдых.
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The group climbed above the crooked forest zone, to the highest point of the route on January 31
Группа поднялась выше зоны криволесья, в верхнюю точку маршрута 31 января
Олег Таймень:
Organizers Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov made a slight adjustment to the Expedition plan
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов сделали небольшую корректировку плана Экспедиции https://xn----7sba3aeenggcdi6a1ap8jpa.xn--p1ai/archives/4179
WAB:
--- Quote from: Олег Таймень on October 09, 2023, 07:12:29 AM ---Organizers: Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov.
A large expedition trip to this legendary and extremely anomalous place in the Northern Urals starts at the end of January’24 from Yekaterinburg. Participants will completely repeat the path of Dyatlov’s group and spend three nights in a tent at the site of the 1959 tragedy.
At the Pass itself, three days and three overnight stays are planned: two at the Dyatlov Tent Site and one in the Cedar area. This will allow you to both relax after several days of skiing and conduct a whole series of scientific experiments that can shed light on the course of the tragedy!
Details: https://vk.com/event222897791
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов.
Большой экспедиционный поход к этому легендарному и крайне аномальному месту Северного Урала стартует в конце января’24 из Екатеринбурга. Участники полностью повторят путь группы Дятлова и проведут три ночи в палатке на месте трагедии 1959 года.
На самом Перевале планируется трое суток и три ночевки: две на Месте Дятловской Палатки и одну в районе Кедра. Это позволит как отдохнуть после нескольких дней лыжного перехода, так и провести целый ряд научных экспериментов, которые могут пролить свет на ход трагедии!
Подробности: https://vk.com/event222897791
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The dates of this event are approaching, but no clear program settings have not yet appeared in several Internet resources writing on this topic. All there has been is to the greatest extent commercial advertising of the event, with big advertising plans and desires. There were even suggestions of additional offers from other readers....
Is it not yet clear that commercial objectives can kill "a number of scientific experiments that may shed light on the course of the tragedy" (c)?
By the way, and no clear program of these " research" was never published.
From the experience of previous (though not at all best publicized) such entrances to the research, it was established that the real program can only be that which researchers (personally!) can draw up for themselves, taking into account their own intellectual and technical training. And with a clear schedule of research technology and a reserve of what must be done necessarily, and what can be skipped due to weather and other difficulties. The statistics of such plans (without outside influence) is such that only 2/3 to 1/4 of what is planned turns out. Additional "implementations" reduce the possibilities by exactly as much as they are accounted for. And it is necessary to prepare for them (technically and materially) additionally, for which there is neither time nor energy left. It would be better to be fully prepared for the main thing.
As well as all sorts of PR actions take away energy and time from the necessary work. By the way, unnecessary efforts on waste approaches also do not add opportunities in research. Here it is necessary to decide what is the main шашечки или ехать - either to go or research, or PR..... Hence the conclusions about the results.
What will be the result? Long ribbons of photos, like "we were in this place and a few meters (yards) further" (which do not indicate anything) or a short text result with the course, result and analysis of the conducted research? Illustrations are not abhorred, only they need to have a clear objective for the results and analysis of the studies
Or will we again hear statements on camera: "Here it is blowing 15 m/s (33 kt) and it is terribly cold here..."? The wind 15 m/s (33 kt) is there almost constantly on open places near the place where the tent stood, and in winter it is always cold, which is not surprising, especially in the Urals....
So what to expect, besides loud statements in the press?
PS. Speaking of "sleeping in a tent site"... Can we be clear on what this does for research? What is the purpose? Or again, as in 2023 it will be a PR action, especially considering that "this place" was shifted more than 150 m (4500 ft) and lower down the slope... bang1 because, "there the place is more convenient for overnighting...". "Loss, of course, one should not look for it where one lost it, but under a flashlight at night - it is brighter there" - there is such a parable....
PPS. And one more question about the advertising of the so-called "Konstantinov's warehouse place":
If it is considered that the main sign of it is a place covered with birch bark, then here is a test for вшив….. truthfulness: when you were at that place in March 2023, how much did you want to create such a planking under the snow?
If "no", then it is definitely not a reference point for the Dyatlov group camp warehouse site, and if "yes", then there is a problem of credibility to all your "research"....
My winter research of this 2014 and 2015 in terms of their trekking tactics and logistics of their route gives a slightly different place... Only until it is more precisely defined I will not publish it in full. I described the general principles a long time ago in a book published by the "Dyatlov Group Memorial Foundation". I don't know if I will be able to do it at all, but that's a whole other story....
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