To me what makes sense is the hikers skied to the tent site on 1079, set up camp and experienced a slab slip. They walked to the forest but underestimated both the distance and their personal stamina. When I think of footprints in snow, I remember how prints in the Himalayas were supposed to be Yeti but were not. Were boot prints found in the snow? Certainly, if that's what you want them to be. Indeed, if they are boot prints, should there not be a collection of similar prints all around the tent, not just materializing out of nowhere and heading down hill?
The rescuers followed no ski tracks to the tent on 1079, yet they later on follow prints said to first scatter from the tent, regroup and proceed in an orderly way downslope. That is until the prints were obscured by snowdrift. Tenuous evidence at best, I think.
На этом фото - следы, которые оставили мы по прилете на перевал. Прошлись по снежному насту. В унтах. А через два дня обнаружили на этом же месте до боли знакомые столбики. Их выдул ветер. Температура в те дни была от минус 28 до минус 12. Теперь мы точно знаем, такие следы могут образоваться при низких температурах, и не важно, какие это отпечатки - обуви или босых ног. Но уже через день следы исчезли под действием вьюги. Как могли почти месяц сохраняться следовые столбики от ног дятловцев на склоне горы, где беспрестанно пурга и ветер?
Sorry Ziljoe, I deleted reply #26, not fast enough. My idea was wrong as you noticed, you were right about the shadow. Really sorry.
According to the photos, Zolotaryov carried an ice axe in his bacpack:
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-10.jpg)
But it was not of the long type. Here, we can compare the length of his ice axe with the length of the ski poles:
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Krivonischenko-camera-film1-08.jpg)
And maybe there was a second ice axe, here in the first backpack on the left:
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Krivonischenko-camera-film1-03.jpg)
and here on the left on the stairs:
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-01.jpg)
But if it was an ice axe, it's not as obvious as for Zolotaryov's backpack.
If the ice axe was of the shorter type, it had to be kept inside the tent, not to be covered with snow during the night, and risking to be forgotten or lost.
And Zolotaryov with a useless ice axe and a feather pinned on his hat, ready for "the adventure"... after what he experienced during WWII... it makes me like him. I find this childish coquetry quite touching, knowing the hell he previously went through. And "Krokodil" magazine in his backpack also. And the way a bit stupid he talked to the schoolchildren... And how he was mocked by the loggers (they intuitively understood he was escaping reality and mocked him from the point of view of loggers who thought they knew "the real thing", but they were young and they didn't experience war, and they couldn't imagine the wounds and scars left on a soul)... I know there was some unclear part in his biography, but now, with the possibility of bringing a useless ice axe, the type used for alpine climbing, in the soft reliefs of the Urals, I see another face of the man... Maybe desiring to come back to the time of innocence, to a time before the ugliest aspects of human life.lol2 Krokodil in his backpack , feather and alpine ax 😆😆😆😆😆 I love this sarcastic decimation of all " odd" ideas
And Zolotaryov with a useless ice axe and a feather pinned on his hat, ready for "the adventure"... after what he experienced during WWII... it makes me like him. I find this childish coquetry quite touching, knowing the hell he previously went through. And "Krokodil" magazine in his backpack also. And the way a bit stupid he talked to the schoolchildren... And how he was mocked by the loggers (they intuitively understood he was escaping reality and mocked him from the point of view of loggers who thought they knew "the real thing", but they were young and they didn't experience war, and they couldn't imagine the wounds and scars left on a soul)... I know there was some unclear part in his biography, but now, with the possibility of bringing a useless ice axe, the type used for alpine climbing, in the soft reliefs of the Urals, I see another face of the man... Maybe desiring to come back to the time of innocence, to a time before the ugliest aspects of human life.
And Zolotaryov with a useless ice axe and a feather pinned on his hat, ready for "the adventure"... after what he experienced during WWII... it makes me like him. I find this childish coquetry quite touching, knowing the hell he previously went through. And "Krokodil" magazine in his backpack also. And the way a bit stupid he talked to the schoolchildren... And how he was mocked by the loggers (they intuitively understood he was escaping reality and mocked him from the point of view of loggers who thought they knew "the real thing", but they were young and they didn't experience war, and they couldn't imagine the wounds and scars left on a soul)... I know there was some unclear part in his biography, but now, with the possibility of bringing a useless ice axe, the type used for alpine climbing, in the soft reliefs of the Urals, I see another face of the man... Maybe desiring to come back to the time of innocence, to a time before the ugliest aspects of human life.
Why was his ice axe useless ?
The post quoting MIHAIL SHARAVIN makes it clear to me that the tent was lived in prior to abandonment. If the tent were relocated from the forest to the slope, there are too many idiosyncrasies to convince me that it was staged. Nobody is that good!
Green fairy= absinthe. The subnrosa implication is that the DPI investigator is hallucinating. Has an aspersion been cast? If so, this needs moderation.All very bohemian.......
Apparently absinthe rose to great popularity as an alcoholic drink in late 19th- and early 20th-century France, particularly among Parisian artists and writers.
I was writing to Ehtnisba, addressing her as "Dear green fairy", nothing extraordinary here: Ehtnisba is an anagram of Absinthe. No need to lose your nerves...
a=a
ba=ab
sba=abs
isba=absi
nisba=absin
tnisba=absint
htnsiba=absinth
ehtnisba=absintheshock1
My Goodness! It was an anagram!
Dear green fairy,And Zolotaryov with a useless ice axe and a feather pinned on his hat, ready for "the adventure"... after what he experienced during WWII... it makes me like him. I find this childish coquetry quite touching, knowing the hell he previously went through. And "Krokodil" magazine in his backpack also. And the way a bit stupid he talked to the schoolchildren... And how he was mocked by the loggers (they intuitively understood he was escaping reality and mocked him from the point of view of loggers who thought they knew "the real thing", but they were young and they didn't experience war, and they couldn't imagine the wounds and scars left on a soul)... I know there was some unclear part in his biography, but now, with the possibility of bringing a useless ice axe, the type used for alpine climbing, in the soft reliefs of the Urals, I see another face of the man... Maybe desiring to come back to the time of innocence, to a time before the ugliest aspects of human life.lol2 Krokodil in his backpack , feather and alpine ax 😆😆😆😆😆 I love this sarcastic decimation of all " odd" ideas
I was not sarcastic, I really began to like Zolotaryov because of his childish coquetry. For the same reason I like Ognev who "had to take the killed party cook on a reindeer sled from Man-Nyays to Ivdel and to bury her there" and Alikin who "served as a pilot, was shot down near Smolensk, after leaving the encirclement he was arrested on suspicion of collaborating with the Germans. He served time in the Far East and Kolyma, several times he unsuccessfully tried to escape. After his release in 1953, he returned to the Urals. Soon he abandoned everything and started reclusive life in taiga on the Kutim River where he was engaged in hunting and fishing." I like them for looking for ways to escape the nightmare of the life under the totalitarian regime. Zolotaryov, Ognev and Alikin found their own path to other dimensions.
Vladimir Vysotsky wrote beautiful songs about escaping the soviet ugliness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWGRyPQUxs
"Having fenced off our freedom with their flags" sang Vysotsky, "we can't cross beyond the flags", "But I came out of obedience"... and "the hunters are left with nothing". Zolotaryov, Ognev and Alikin were trying to escape each one in his own way. I like them a lot for their attempts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2u4HvVkEM
When dozing off, I see, at night, ugly crimes where men bleed.
Poor me, poor me! The wineskin is full to bursting,
At dawn, how bitter is the taste of damned wine!
Go, spend all my money, because I'll be thirsty today.
Chorus:
Nothing's right, nothing's right anymore
to live like a man, like a man,
like an upright man.
Nothing's right anymore to live like a man should.
In all the bottomless pothouses where I burry myself every night,
I am the emperor of buffoons, the brother of anybody,
I go vomit my repentance on the ground in front of the tabernacles
But how to pray in the smoke and incense of the deacons?
Chorus
And like an old wolf in the woods, fleeing the worst,
I remained alone with myself, by the mountains where we can breath.
Here I wanted to find a new air, higher,
But from far away, who can tell a true fir from a fake fir?
Chorus
Far from any carousel, I live my life and trace my path in the snow
So that he could find me, the friend who follows me far from any cortege.
Ah come, stand up, come here, at the front and behind!
We have nothing but fake friends, fake lovers, fake brothers.
Do you see the witches here and there, in the moving forest?
Do you see the headsman over there with his red coat?
Nothing goes well here on our dirt roads
But I fear that the afterlife look like a hell.
Chorus
And in the song The end of the ball (La fin du bal), Vysotsky sang these lines: He wrote as if to get out of a trap (Il écrivait comme on se sort d'un piège) and ... the escapee who didn't reach his goal (l'évadé qui n'aura pas atteint son but).
So, yes, "Krokodil in his backpack, feather and alpine ax", Zolotaryov's childish dream was worth any escape to other parallel dimensions.
Green fairy= absinthe. The subnrosa implication is that the DPI investigator is hallucinating. Has an aspersion been cast? If so, this needs moderation.All very bohemian.......
Apparently absinthe rose to great popularity as an alcoholic drink in late 19th- and early 20th-century France, particularly among Parisian artists and writers.
I was writing to Ehtnisba, addressing her as "Dear green fairy", nothing extraordinary here: Ehtnisba is an anagram of Absinthe. No need to lose your nerves...
What does Ehtnisba mean Charles?
a=a
ba=ab
sba=abs
isba=absi
nisba=absin
tnisba=absint
htnsiba=absinth
ehtnisba=absintheshock1
My Goodness! It was an anagram!
If the latter is really true (and not only seemingly so, let's say, because the weather conditions were such that it was impossible to move in a different manner), that really leaves only two options in my view. Someone either forced them to leave and kept them under gunpoint, or there was some sort of group lunacy taking place.
The Russian authorities knew very well what happened. Very, very well.Русофоб изо всех сил старается советское правительство назвать русским. Аж из штанов выпрыгивает.
@ Per Inge Oestmoen
SMART BUT DUBIOUS: "because the attackers wanted them to freeze to death. If there had not been a relatively mild temperature of around -15C during the early evening, this would have been the perfect killing mission."
Холодный фронт первого рода (ХФ-1р) – это фронт, перемещающийся со скоростью 20 – 30 км/ч. Холодный воздух, подтекая клином под теплый, вытесняет его вверх...https://studopedia.ru/3_176269_atmosfernie-fronti.html
I'm a novice and haven't looked through all the materials. From the outset, what struck me as most telling was that "footprints left by the group everyone seemed to descent with relative ease." It struck me, because from a psychological point of view, cutting the tent from inside and leaving it without proper clothes, and then strolling away with relative ease, are completely at odds with each other.Yes, there is definitely an attack on the group. Otherwise, 9 competent people in their right mind would not go for a walk in the forest in the possible darkness of -20 degrees in a semi-naked state! Even a madman alone wouldn't do it! There are only two logical options. 1. Attack of a group of armed people 2. An unknown coercive Force. The second option seems more likely due to the course of the event and the wounds of the youth and the lack of hiding of the bodies.
What does the "relative ease" mean exactly, and how can one deduce it from the footsteps? Does it mean that no-one had trouble with walking - ie, no-one was badly injured - or does it mean that there was no rushing away in panic, as if they were just talking a walk in a park?
If the latter is really true (and not only seemingly so, let's say, because the weather conditions were such that it was impossible to move in a different manner), that really leaves only two options in my view. Someone either forced them to leave and kept them under gunpoint, or there was some sort of group lunacy taking place.
Indeed, the group must have fought well despite being so scared. Because they were considered natural born professionals. And the group was in solidarity, including Semyon. Semyon was also respected as an older brother. And they calmly exited the tent without panic. Because panic and haste would make them sweat and it would be the end of them!!! So they tried to act professionally and act calmly and not panic. And despite everything, they hoped that they could survive. Because they were not sure that the unknown force would kill them. But the unknown Force couldn't keep them alive anymore!!!