Theories Discussion > Murdered
My short take on murder.
Loose}{Cannon:
Rustems body had a layer of ice under suggesting he was quite warm when he died.
Vietnamka:
Very interesting!
But, please, add
-the link for the KP who ordered this expertises to Professor of Forensic department of Russian state Uni Eduard Tumanov and published result on Nov 2014
https://m.kp.ru/daily/26311.5/3189866/
- Logo KP + name of creator of pictures you have used. All pictures were marked
Thanks a lot for cooperation.
Loose}{Cannon:
No thank you, Ill leave it just the way it is. Im not worried about it. wink1
Members please note the site linked above is VERY heavy in spam adds.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 23, 2019, 06:00:03 PM ---I believe the main issue with any of the murder theories I have seen to date is the lack of motive. Most of you may know I have issues with all theories, but I also see the possibilities in each as well. I am most definitely not married to any one theory. That being said, I believe the most compelling aspects of any murder theory at its foundation are the injuries. I wont go through them all but lets take three individuals that were NOT subject to months of rotting in a creek...... Igor, Rustem, and Zina. These three individuals were literally frozen in place and intact.
Igor
1. minor abrasions on the forehead
2. minor abrasions on the upper eyelids
3. brown-red abrasions above the left eyebrow
4. minor abrasions on the left cheek
5. brown-red abrasions on both cheeks
6. dried blood on lips
12. purple-gray discoloration on back side of the right hand
13. metacarpophalangeal joints on the right hand had brown red bruises. This is common injury in hand to hand fights. To get a better idea of the injuries just make a fist. This is the part of the hand which you use to hit someone.
14. left hand is brown-purple color with brownish-red bruises
15. superficial wounds on the 2nd and 5th finger on the left hand
16. skin wound in the palmar surface of the 2nd 5th finger of left hand
Now, when I look at all this its only logical to assume Igor was fighting someone or 'something'. Even if you were to explain some of them away as injuries having acquired somehow other then fighting, Im not convinced you can eliminate all of them i.e if even ONE of them was caused by foul play...... you have a problem.
Please take note of this injury in particular.
13. metacarpophalangeal joints on the right hand had brown red bruises. This is common injury in hand to hand fights. To get a better idea of the injuries just make a fist. This is the part of the hand which you use to hit someone.
Being a former Marine and a little rambunctious in a past life I can attest many of the above injuries are consistent with...... fighting.
Rustem
1. hemorrhages in the temporalis muscles
2. minor brownish red abrasions on the forehead
3. two scratches are 1.5 cm long at the distance of 0.3 cm between them
4. brownish red bruise on the upper eyelid of the right eye with hemorrhage into the underlying tissues
5. traces of blood discharge from the nose
6. swelling and a lot of small abrasions on both sides of the face
7. bruises in the metacarpophalangeal joints on both hands (bruised knuckles). Similar bruises are common in hand to hand fight
8.brown cherry bruises on the medial aspect of the left arm and left palm
9. swollen lips
10. bruises on the left tibia in dimensions at 2.5x1.5 cm (not shown on diagram)
11. epidermis is torn from the right forearm (not shown on diagram)
12. fracture of the frontal bone 6x0.1 cm located 1.5 cm from the sagittal suture (showing on separate skull trauma diagram without numbers)
Literally the entire list of injuries of Rustem 'could' be attributed to..... fighting.
Please take note of this injury in particular.
7. bruises in the metacarpophalangeal joints on both hands (bruised knuckles). Similar bruises are common in hand to hand fighting
Zina
1. dark red abrasion on the right frontal eminence
2. pale gray area 3x2 cm above the right eyebrow
3. dark red abrasion on the upper eyelids
4. brown red graze on the bridge and tip of the nose
5. numerous abrasions on the left cheekbone
6. bruised skin on the right side of the face
7. brown-red abrasion on the back of both hands in the area of metacarpal phalangeal and inter-phalangeal joints
8. wound with jagged edges and missing skin on the back of the right hand at the base of the third finger
10. a long bright red bruise 29x6 cm in the lumbar region on the right side of the torso. The bruise looks like left from a baton
Again, the entire list other then #9 (frostbite) 'could' be attributed to... hand/hand combat. bat1
Note #10 in the image is misleading. The waist injury is isolated to the right side and can not be a result of "pulling a roped sled" around the waist which would be evenly distributed to both sides and the front.
10. a long bright red bruise 29x6 cm in the lumbar region on the right side of the torso. The bruise looks like left from a baton
Also note the severity of this injury in particular and the descriptions accuracy which 'should' be an indication of the rest of the injuries description accuracy.
8. wound with jagged edges and missing skin on the back of the right hand at the base of the third finger
Conclusion.
I dont know about you guys, but thats a whole lot of busted up heads, and knuckles with side order of blood to go around. Again, can some of thes injuris have been caused by climbing trees, falling on rocks etc... sure, but 'what if' even ONE of them wasn't? The who, what, when, where, and why I leave to you.
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Yes I have thought along those lines as well. A lot of the injuries do look as if they could have been caused by physical contact with someone or something ie some kind of fight or defence maybe. And yet this is apparently being ruled out by the Authorities re the re opening of the Dyatlov Case.
Star man:
I think its quite possible that a scuffle or two broke out amongst the group given the separate situation and the life or death decisions they knew they were making. It would be very stressful and stress leads to short tempers.
Something else about the above photo of Dyatlov's hands. They are filthy with dirt and grime. Now, there was snow and the ground was frozen so how come his hands are so dirty? Were they already that dirty after they pitched the tent and he made no attempt to wash/clean them ( seems unlikely ). Did he get them dirty trying to set up the stove in the tent? Did he get them dirty climbing the cedar tree, or cutting the branches to make the fire, or building a den? It's interesting as it might provide some insight as to wether Dyatlov, Rustem and Zina actually made it to the cedar or not.
To be it seems likely that they did make it to the cedar, and therefore died on the slope trying to return to tent. The extent of grime on his hands indicates that those hands had done a lot of work before he died.
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