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My short take on murder.
Dona:
QUOTE " Well who is we ! ? Iam sure many Investigators dont believe that the Dyatlov Group were forced from their Tent by other people with guns.
The original Investigation left a lot to be desired.
You state that all the available Evidence confirms that the Dyatlov Pass tragedy was an intelligently planned brilliantly executed mission. Can you show one piece of Evidence to back up that statement ! ?
And can you show the Evidence of an unexpected rise of Temperature on the night of February 2 1959 ! ?
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I can. 6 temple wounds.. Not so brilliant tho.. They missed Yuri up in the tree and Igor out collecting wood for the den.
sarapuk:
--- Quote from: Dona on April 18, 2021, 05:23:31 PM ---
QUOTE " Well who is we ! ? Iam sure many Investigators dont believe that the Dyatlov Group were forced from their Tent by other people with guns.
The original Investigation left a lot to be desired.
You state that all the available Evidence confirms that the Dyatlov Pass tragedy was an intelligently planned brilliantly executed mission. Can you show one piece of Evidence to back up that statement ! ?
And can you show the Evidence of an unexpected rise of Temperature on the night of February 2 1959 ! ?
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I can. 6 temple wounds.. Not so brilliant tho.. They missed Yuri up in the tree and Igor out collecting wood for the den.
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There are lots of Injuries and not one can be proved to have been caused by an attack by other people.
Dona:
Yes, its proof.. You cant get around that..
Or something falling on them etc.. It is proof.. Its not a natural event.
Manti:
--- Quote from: Saltyseadog on December 19, 2020, 12:06:17 PM ---The group were never in the tent up on the mountain. Their captors and murderers removed it from the cedar area where we see the birch pad for the tent and set it up. This is why it is so neat inside and missing certain items. Maybe some of the group were still alive and able to watch from the cedar what was going on.
In the end there are 3 groups of bodies deliberately set up the way they are. This is a clue to when and why they were murdered.
Most were killed up on Hoi Eckwa - Lyuda, Zolotaryov, Tibo and Kolevatov. This was because they were caught red handed defying mansi custom about no women up on the mountain and maybe trying to rifle through ceremonial gifts to the supreme god. I believe the group knew about the golden idol and this explains their presence up on Hoi Eckwa.
Igor and Rustem were next to die probably returning to camp on 29/1 when they heard Zina screaming. Zina and the two Yuris had been left at camp on 29/1 (see her diary entry) while the others explored a track south of the Auspiya - we are waiting for the others to return.
These three were first attacked, maybe the Yuris captured, then killed in a fight with the natives, Zina captured alive. Igor and Rustem returning down the mountain.
Now the group is split and in 3 groups, easy to be taken care of by a small group of attackers and after the group on the Auspiya camp area they followed tracks came acoss Igor and Rustem, took care of them then went up Hoi Eckwa and came across the rest.
The question is had the group already found the golden idol and sent it back with Yudin. Did Yudin know of the groups quest but they had been warned at the Ushma settlement and he got cold feet and was worried about the consequences so left after the 2nd north or does the lostday account for the trip up Hoi Eckwa and the groups deaths not only for being on the mountain with a woman but for stealing the golden idol?
Hence the severity of injuries in members in the ravine, at the cedar and laid out supposedly returning to the tent.
The mansi transported the group there and set the scene. Authorities know the assailants, Kurikov blackmailed officials with info he had hence the sudden release of the Bahtiyarovs and subsequent coverup.
This is only a condensed version of what I think transpired.
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Wait... Because this is buried in this thread which gets tedious to read some pages back, I have only now read your post.
Saltyseadog, your theory deserves its own thread if not own board or book. Essentially the Mansi theory, but with a motive! And it would explain so much. For example recently in another thread I wondered why they apparently moved at a snail's pace. A side-quest to Hoy Ekva explains this, it's on the way, and I paid no attention to it when I read the diaries but yes it's right there in Zina's diary, the group split up.
I used to think a coverup involving moving the bodies necessitates a helicopter. But no, the Mansi had sleds.
This really needs its own thread, I have a few questions :)
Saltyseadog:
well you are welcome to start one. I have modified the theory a little after examining further evidence but essentially same. I think the group was tracked their whole path along the Auspiya.
In radiograms it points to Andrey Anyamov being the hunter, or mansi who made the fresh tracks and camp as mentioned in Upper reaches of the Auspiya and he says he came across the camp and fresh tracks in this area. So this is information relayed during the search and before he made his statement.
When he makes his statement he is on the Lower reaches just moving in from the Losva and found tracks but did not come across the hike group nor their camp.
Take in mind origially he states he was in the area the last week of January, First week of February hunting, yet the story changes after his co hunters are interrogated.
What it says though is that his statement is most likely the truthful one as it follows on from the search radiograms before statements were taken and most likely he and/or his party were with or followed the Dyatlovs along the Auspiya. This is outlined in diary entries of fresh tracks, camp sites, reindeer and of course the exclamation, "Yes, Mansi, Mansi, Mansi"
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