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.................That would be the panic phase. Soon after, panic is replaced by cold induced lethargy. They walked to the woods.We know the rest.
Reply #4I would go so far as to say that this idea of panic is absurd.
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I sailed a lot in winter in North Atlantic when I was a student, we sometime experienced a luffing start or a surge start, we never panicked... in the middle of storms in January offshore in North Atlantic..
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When something unexpected happens, something that possibly puts your life in danger, chemicals release in your brain and neurons send out one command: Run for your life. When a shooter fires into a crowd, people don't calmly walk away, they run for their lives. If something unexpected suddenly happened to the Dyatlov group – balls of fire rolling toward the tent (the ball lightning scenario), a frightening snow or ice slippage, a tent enveloped in nitrous oxide fumes (the exploded missile scenario) – it's human nature to run for your life. Yet, the hikers seemed to walk in an orderly fashion down the slope.I propose that in fact, it is not possible to either run or walk in an orderly fashion down the slope. In some areas, yes, in others, there are stone ridges, and yet others: deep snow that you fall through:(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/3S-27.jpg)
What is certain is that any theory based on a conspiration of panic and hysteria, that is to say all theories relying on a natural cause to explain the death of the hikers, can't be labelled as realistic. I never really understood until now how panic and hysteria was a postulate that "natural cause" theories required.
On this footage, we can see Russian kids, who all behave rationally and calmly to escape danger:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHy6orLijTk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHy6orLijTk)
There are eleven kids on screen, they all take cover, there is not a single one making a stupid decision. And they are facing a pack of stray dogs, of the kind that already killed people in Russia (there was one footage from another town where you could see three kids climbing on the slide to escape a pack of dogs before to be rescued by the dvornik and his shovel).
"Natural cause" theories all need the nine adult hikers to make all wrong possible decisions, in a crazy state of mind, losing judgement and control, because of a sudden drop of their abilities to react: the hikers are supposed to have lost calm, courage, toughness, judgement, experience, endurance, intelligence... they are supposed to have, all of them, lost all their qualities. Nothing allegedly remained of all the qualities listed in their biographies... and only because of an hypothetical skunk or hypothetical very limited snow slide.
Compared to the kids escaping the pack of dogs, the nine adult hikers demonstrated a complete failure of their human qualities. Forget Doroshenko confronting a bear with an ice axe, forget Krivonishenko in the white waters of Caucasus, forget Dubinina gritting her teeth after being shot in the foot, forget Thibeaux-Brignolle the absolutely unbreakable man, forget Zolotaryov fighting the Germans on the Eastern Front... forget all of that, it was nothing, in reality the nine hikers were not worth the kids calmly and wisely escaping the pack of stray dogs...
Actually, "natural cause" theories need to incredibly downgrade the hikers as human beings, they can't stand without brutally downgrading them...
So there was a conspiracy of panic and hysteria which drove the formerly brave hikers to the abysses of mediocrity, to the worst decisions and their final death...
And why not? Some think that a Yeti encounter is a "natural" event... There are Wonders of Nature that have not yet been explained... whacky1
^Skepticism of the slab avalanche.The absence of any snow slip onto the tent is proved once and for all by the absence of icy avalanche snow, which would be impossible to dig with skis and ski poles, as Brusnitsyn said. Avalanche snow is almost ice. No wind will be able to blow it away, just as the wind could not inflate the icy footprint pillars.
@MantiYes, however, they didn't burn but just one branch, and moreover no other broken branches were found under the cedar as far as I know.
The theory for climbing of the tree varies. The basic one is to snap the lower branches for easy to burn wood.
There's nothing to say a bear or moose didn't poke there head in to the tent , just the lack of foot prints that an animal may have left , given that the hikers left raised foot prints.Even the hikers didn't leave footprints around the tent only further down. Maybe the snow there was too hard or shallow? Although an animal is heavier.... and also the snow couldn't have been too shallow as they dug the tent into snow.... Hmm.
If an animal invaded their space and they left, why did they elect to return? If a predator might be in the area, why did not the deceased hold no weapons when they died. I think that would apply for human predators too. I would have a club, at the least.I don't think it's proven that Zina, Rustem and Igor were trying to return. Sadly they might have fallen on the way down and been left behind (unkowingly) by the rest.
I seem to recall that the group attained their campsite at 880 on 1079 by a hard uphill slog in the snow after laying their cache. I certainly would not give up that ground for a quick slide on skis to the woods just for the sake of a hot meal. Even moreso, if they made camp in blustery hazy conditions, why risk getting turned around and lose ground?This is something we will never know. Why did they camp there? To me, it still makes no sense, unless it was because of the low visibility in the snowstorm.
They made camp because it was the right thing to do.
If an animal invaded their space and they left, why did they elect to return? If a predator might be in the area, why did not the deceased hold no weapons when they died. I think that would apply for human predators too. I would have a club, at the least.
@MantiYes, however, they didn't burn but just one branch, and moreover no other broken branches were found under the cedar as far as I know.
The theory for climbing of the tree varies. The basic one is to snap the lower branches for easy to burn wood.
Кедр - это настоящий король для костра. Сухие сучья этого дерева настоящая находка для путника. костер с помощью кедровых дров можно развести даже в самую сырую погоду. Костер будет давать ровное, красивое пламя и отличный жар. Древесина кедра не дымит и не стреляет.https://dzen.ru/media/id/604b1202fa7bf6638f2a9bdc/samye-luchshie-drova-dlia-kostra-moi-opyt-teper-jgu-koster-tolko-iz-etoi-drevesiny-605040476c861f01074efab0
Идеальными дровами для костра будут кедровые. Если вы хоть раз проведете ночевку у костра на кедровых дровах, никогда не забудете этой превосходной ночевки. В дальнейшем больше никогда не захотите выбрать другие дрова для костра.
^Skepticism of the slab avalanche.Всего лишь отвал от грейдера при -10°C:
I never considered the snow den as their first stop. Fascinating! They dig in, there is a collapse, some retreat to the cedar, that doesn't really work, so the last 3 make for the tent. It turns out badly. What rotten luck!
Nothing in this scenario leads me to infer they were fleeing from human attackers. Too, if it was an animal, I would be making my way back to camp holding a flaming torch, wouldn`t you?
I applaud the footprint photos. It shows how degraded these impressions in the snow can get. Pity that Mansi trackers did not offer an opinion of the prints from the tent. We know something made impressions in the snow. Just who in their right mind would do it in socks?
Too, if it was an animal, I would be making my way back to camp holding a flaming torch, wouldn`t you?Если вы живёте в США, то можете провести эксперимент:
Thibeaux-Brignolle relaxing with a gun:У Тибо плохо с памятью. Ружьё должно было лежать на траве:
No food was touched.Do you mean by the hikers or by the wolverine?
My objections against wolverine involvement:Да.
1. No beast traces found
2. Beasts are usually shy, they avoid direct contact with humanНет.