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June 16, 2022, 07:32:03 AM
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I just realized that the sum of panties was 3. Dubinina had 2 and Kolmogorova 1.  Kolmogorova didn't have spare panties. The journey was supposed to last 24 days. The cycle of the woman is 28 days... and the menstrual discharge lasts from 2 to 7 days. That is to say discharge begins from 28-2 to 28-7. From day 26 after departure from Sverdlovsk (and 2 days after return to Sverdlovsk) to day 21 after departure from Sverdlovsk and 3 days before return to Sverdlovsk.

The two girls should have had the end of menstrual discharge the same day, on Jan. 22, and for both of them, menstrual discharge should not have lasted more than 4 days... or else it happened during the trek...

I can understand that the standards of hygiene have changed a lot... But seriously, the two girls went on a trek, with physical effort, sweat, discomfort and there was only one spare panties for the two girls ??? It was in 1959, not 1859.

And no eau de toilette, no deodorant ? Only a piece of soap, they didn't even use every day (Dubinana wrote  "I told Rustic that I won't wash up due to lack of conditions.") In the evening, the smell in the tent the would have been absolutely awful, like a fox farm.

So how could Kolmogorova go for a 24 days trek without even a spare panties ? Are some clothes missing ?


PS: And the curtain sewed by the hikers was not to make a separation between the boys and the girls, there was no need of it, it was made to create an entry hall and spare the heat when entering or exiting the tent.
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June 16, 2022, 09:58:32 AM
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« Last Edit: June 16, 2022, 10:04:29 AM by Игорь Б. »
The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
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Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
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June 16, 2022, 11:06:01 AM
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Thank you Igor,

the protocol of inspection of items found at the scene translated in English is different :

1. Identified as Zinaida Kolmogorova's belongings:
a) a black backpack, old, repaired side pocket. Inside toothbrush wrapped inside a bandage, a letter from the city of Berezniki in the Z. Kolmogorova's name, a piece of soap, tied in a cloth, new boxof matches, black flashlight, spool of black thread, light soap dish with a piece of soap, two jars from the powdered milk with a medicament, first aid kit (bandages, cotton, iodine), film, steel jar from dental powder with more medicament. Yudin said that, when he left the group at the 2nd Northern settlement, he gave all these medicament to Z. Kolmogorova.To Z. Kolmogorova also belong: vigogne socks almost black color (tinted), white woolen socks, mended tarpaulin, mittens wool blue brown pattern, cotton, blue ski gauntlet gloves ("Краги" - russ.), dark brown woolen gloves, mended tent cover (old), home cloth slippers, new, on the sole outside herringbone pattern.Ladies quilted jacket with artificial dark brown collar with a rubber band at the bottom and fastened hood made of blue satin. The show covers are made of decorative cloth (in the form of bags) tarpaulin jacket jacket, found in the jacket pockets: a photo id on Kolmogorova's name, 5 rub. money (rubles)Blanket dark blue, wool blend, blue ski hat, knitted, herringbone, with vertical white stripes, black mittens trimmed with black cotton material, red scarf.
In addition, the body of Z. Kolmogorova had: blue sweater, beneath a knitted blouse with cross blue stripes, checkered shirt, blue shirtwith sleeves, black bra, blue training ski pants, knitted leggings blue, fleece, skating tights, slip. Woolen brown socks with fur insoles, vigogne socks, cotton socks. On the head of a red woolen hat, beneath a blue woolen hat"


3. Identified as L. Dubinina's belongings:
a) black backpack, old, broken glasses in a case, toothbrush in a case, soap dish and soap, toothpaste. Dark blue blanket, light colored tarpaulin jacket, blue shirt, black ski pants, white balaclava, ski boots, foot wraps (bindings), woolen and white wool socks, black felt boots (valenki) checkered shirt with small squares, ski mask, socks, brown and gray wool socks. Yuri Yudin said that he gave L. Dubinina the gray wool socks.In the pockets of jacket were found: paper string, a piece of the tent cover, a safety pin, a little powder and onion. Above the pockets on the jacket is pinned hiking badge. Left sleeve of the tarpaulin jacket is rolled inversely. In the pockets of the ski trousers are found: elastic bandage, a letter starting... Vale ... large comb, 2 pencils, hair clip and money 35 rubles.Black slip trimmed with red, matching bra, knitted tights blue, blue ski hat, cotton bag. Ladies' handkerchiefs - two white with brown border and one with squares.

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-11-20?rbid=17743

But in your Russian version, Kolmogorova had spare underwear (several grey panties) but Dubinina had not. So the question is still: are clothes missing ?

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June 16, 2022, 07:58:20 PM
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the protocol of inspection of items found at the scene translated in English is different
Это не перевод другой, а протокол другой. Вы приводите протокол опознания вещей Юдиным. А есть протокол опознания вещей родственниками и знакомыми.

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-233-257?rbid=17743
The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=110407
Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=69286
 

June 16, 2022, 08:35:11 PM
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Thank you Igor, I will consider that the words "Trunks knitted" refer to a dozen of cotton panties. And that no spare underwear is missing. Thank you for  answering my question and your wide knowledge about the case. And by the way, speaking of knowledge, do you know who was Yudin's father and what was his professional activity ?
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June 17, 2022, 02:34:13 AM
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Sheet 238
14. Underpants gray
17. Underpants blue, warm

Warm underpants do not mean knitted.
The answers to all the questions related to the death of Dyatlov group:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=110407
Evidence of the death of the Dyatlov group from the Wolverine chemical weapon:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=69286
 

June 17, 2022, 03:14:36 AM
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You gave a link:

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-233-257?rbid=17743

and here we can read:

Sheet 246
Protocol
identification of items №9
city of Sverdlovsk 1 April 1959
Prosecutor criminalist of the Prosecutor's Office of Sverdlovsk Region, Jr Counselor of Justice Ivanov in the presence of witnesses Yuri Efimovich Yudin Yuri, student UPI, course I-480 and Galina Nikolaevna Hamova, UPI, course S-344, showed Iya Vladimirovna Dubinina - mother of the deceased Lyuda Dubinina personal equipment, which could allegedly belong to L. Dubinina.
Dubinina, having observed the equipment presented, stated that her daughter owned the following items:
Blanket blue woolen
Handkerchief
Socks 2 pairs brown, woolen
back
Trunks knitted


It is about Lyuda, not Zina.
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June 23, 2022, 11:27:01 PM
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I just realized that the sum of panties was 3. Dubinina had 2 and Kolmogorova 1.  Kolmogorova didn't have spare panties. The journey was supposed to last 24 days. The cycle of the woman is 28 days... and the menstrual discharge lasts from 2 to 7 days. That is to say discharge begins from 28-2 to 28-7. From day 26 after departure from Sverdlovsk (and 2 days after return to Sverdlovsk) to day 21 after departure from Sverdlovsk and 3 days before return to Sverdlovsk.

The two girls should have had the end of menstrual discharge the same day, on Jan. 22, and for both of them, menstrual discharge should not have lasted more than 4 days... or else it happened during the trek...

I can understand that the standards of hygiene have changed a lot... But seriously, the two girls went on a trek, with physical effort, sweat, discomfort and there was only one spare panties for the two girls ??? It was in 1959, not 1859.

And no eau de toilette, no deodorant ? Only a piece of soap, they didn't even use every day (Dubinana wrote  "I told Rustic that I won't wash up due to lack of conditions.") In the evening, the smell in the tent the would have been absolutely awful, like a fox farm.

So how could Kolmogorova go for a 24 days trek without even a spare panties ? Are some clothes missing ?


PS: And the curtain sewed by the hikers was not to make a separation between the boys and the girls, there was no need of it, it was made to create an entry hall and spare the heat when entering or exiting the tent.