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On their last night, the Dyatlov group camped near The cedar.
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Do we have autopsy evidence of milk consumption? This is an exciting find.
Teddy, were you observing the trunk in detail? I mean, was it uprooted?
Yet, it seems improbable that a tent crushed by a tree would be restored by conspirators to the place where it was found by rescuers.
For me, the elephant in the middle of the room is there were no identifiable prints leading to the tent at 880. Also, I must check my facts. I thought the Labaz was elsewhere. If it was at 880, what became of the property?
In our version the labaz was originally where the tent was found by Slobtsov and Sharavin on Feb 26.Вы знаете, что место лабаза и место последней ночёвки дятловцев на Ауспии это одно и то же?
In our version the labaz was originally where the tent was found by Slobtsov and Sharavin on Feb 26.Вы знаете, что место лабаза и место последней ночёвки дятловцев на Ауспии это одно и то же?
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=62048
That is the right question to answer. We can imagine that they were forced to leave the tent barefoot for 7/9 of them, ok, but why not just to walk down to the labaz ? Why not to step back in their footprints leading directly to the food and shoes ?
I can see the searcher's having a tin of condensed milk at the time of the search.
I wonder at the degree to which the canned milk container was ruined. I can see using the can and just tossing it. I can see using the can and hand crushing it as a macho thing. It seems to me that the twisted and fragmentary nature of the can would get that way if someone was needing a knife edge or trying to make a reflector of some sort.
And there was no logging works at the pass
...пробивали ножом 2 дырочки : одну побольше (через неё тянули сгущёнку), а другую поменьше, чтобы воздух поступал в банку и сгущёнка свободно лилась в рот!https://vseonauke.com/594142662279301801/interesnye-fakty-o-sguschenke/
Достаточно сделать сверху дырочку гвоздём, ножницами, другим острым предметом, даже заточенной напильником ручкой обычной ложки. Но лучше, чтобы дырочек было две в разных сторонах, тогда легче сгущёнка вытекать будет.http://www.bolshoyvopros.ru/questions/281202-kak-otkryt-banku-sguschjonnogo-moloka-esli-net-nozha.html
Вы тоже делали дырку в банке со сгущёнкой?https://vk.com/wall-162924424_826967
On the lid of the can there are two holes from a knife - a larger hole for drinking, and a smaller hole for air.
| (https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Sulman_A_M.jpg) | I was looking further into Sulman, who was head of the Northern Geological Expedition in the middle Urals section over the time of the Dyatlov case. He was also a deputy councilor, of you guessed it, Ivdel CC, like some other prominent citizens in this case. Not only this he was head of the search and rescue for the missing trekkers and his radio operator was none other than Nevolin whom initially traveled with Kurikovs search party then concentrated in the 1079 area. So we have non military in charge of an important search, Ivdellag recruits from Unit 6602 putting on a show for the military presence but not finding anything but leaving all the discoveries up to the students (Sharavin) and mansi to quickly tie the whole mess up. Just an observation on my part. |
Reply #31
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Ivanov, Prodanov, Shestopalov and Sulman were not responsible of events happening to adult hikers in the mountains
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The idea is a bit anachronistic:
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Reply #36
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Tens of thousands of trees fall in winter in Russia every winter..... Who could prove that the fall of this one was not natural ?
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Sulman, Ivanov, Prodanov and Shestopalov decide that the blasting in the area caused the fall of the tree in violation of safety requirements."
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О том, что эти отверстия были могли быть сделаны для питья молока из банки было сказано сразу при обнаружении банки человеком в камуфляже с металлоискателем, но никто не обратил на это внимания. Почему-то сейчас не могу найти это видео.On the lid of the can there are two holes from a knife - a larger hole for drinking, and a smaller hole for air.I hereby declare Игор Б. a genius and I am being sincere.
О том, что эти отверстия были могли быть сделаны для питья молока из банки было сказано сразу при обнаружении банки человеком в камуфляже с металлоискателем, но никто не обратил на это внимания. Почему-то сейчас не могу найти это видео.
A night around the cedar, you have to click the link Watch on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/5q-0WPYeWDs
Let me know if you find it on video again.https://youtu.be/-dAYBY9Bt_s?t=313
Как будто отверстия...
Да, а это не сгущёнку пробивали чтобы пить?
Две дырочки же пробивают. Хотя на противоположных концах, а не рядом.
1.5 kg of salt ? Was soviet salt not salty ? Or what ?Для каш и лапши общей массой около 15 кг.
Yet, it seems improbable that a tent crushed by a tree would be restored by conspirators to the place where it was found by rescuers.
Initially the rescue was normal, bodies flown to the nearest morgue, investigation began, the tent was folded and taken to Ivdel the same way they did end of February, the second time they "found" it.
When the conspirators decided to stage the scene they pitched the tent where the labaz was found marked exactly as it was found where found at their nearest camp site. Igor and i believe that the conspirators used the hole that was made for the labaz to stage the tent. They left the footprints going down to rest the bodies where they found them.
This human behavior is called body dump so the people who are doing it are not blamed for causing the death which they didn't but explain this to the Communist Party. Who else is going to be the scapegoat?
The idea of making local officials responsible for natural hazards in the Urals does not hold water.
This idea is completely anachronistic:
It may have come from the increasing legalization of life in the USA, but it did not exist in 1959 in the USSR.
Reply #48
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They lifted the fallen cedar (with hoists and/or crane),
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This ATS-59 with a crane would have been perfect to lift the fallen cedar, safely remove the tent and its content, and put the cedar back in place.
Reply #48
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The works were completed in at least 11 days :
- planification, team and equipment gathering : 3 days
- setting up base camp : 1 day
- building two tripods : 1 day
- labaz relocation : 1 day
- lifting of cedar and tent removal : 1 day
- relocation of the tent on the slope : 1 day
- removing all work equipment : 1 day
- checking the cleanliness of the site : 2 days
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Reply #55
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In Teddy's theory, the tree is still on site, today, and in one piece:(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Dyatlov-pass-expedition-2022-280.jpg)
So this is what remains of the tree that fell on the tent.
No, this is what would remain of the tree that allegedly fell on the tent according to Teddy's theory. But you didn't understand anything about her theory. She says that four conspirators thought that there was enough evidence at Kolyat Syakhl to incriminate them and that they decided to relocate the tent and the labaz in order to cover up this evidence.
But the evidence was so thin that they could not afford to leave even a Belomorkanal on the site, otherwise the balance of evidence would be in their disfavor. They had to bring less evidence than they removed, or the operation was not worth the effort. Therefore, the main work was quality control. They were not working mainly just to lift the tree, but to lift the tree with a balance "removing evidence/adding evidence" which was negative: less evidence after intervention than before. That is to say with 0% risk, with 0% possibility of creating new and extra evidence. And that's why they had to process only one task at a time, under the watch of observers checking that the workers were not dropping any tools or personal belongings in the snow. If they didn't act with such a paranoid care, the relocation was useless and not worth the effort. They could not afford to lose or destroy items belonging to the hikers, nor to add items belonging to the workers, on the site. They could not afford to interrupt a task because of the night and finish it the next day, after sleep, they had to complete any task at daylight, and consider this task as clean, secured and closed, having left no extra evidence, not having polluted the site in the slightest way, before to begin the following task.
And that's why Teddy had to write that the decision to relocate the tent and labaz was taken by drunk men : "On their next drunken get-together, Sulman, Ivanov, Prodanov and Shestopalov decide that the blasting in the area caused the fall of the tree in violation of safety requirements." Because it would be like hiring a backhoe to remove a feather... it would be 0.1% manpower and 99.9% quality control.
It makes no practical sense to assume they the hikers, camp in the woods, get crushed by someone`s goof and the have the perpetrator's damage control team NOT set the tent up a mile or so away IN THE WOODS on the way to Ortoten. It is unimaginative to move the tent almost a mile uphill out the woods and leave the bodies below where or near where the mishap occurred. On the other hand, if the hikers actually camped at elevation 880 on 1079 and suffered a natural event such as a slab slip, then everything that followed requires no additional explanation. Wrong place, wrong time. Too dark, too cold, too windy and too far to relative safety. If a conspiracy is more satisfactory then I encourage the investigators not to follow clues from the location, but to follow the money! Someone got paid. Look for written evidence from tissue samples, Look for deathbed confessions. Look for and follow the paper trail. It will generate facts. What we do is speculate in the hope of generating some compelling line of inquiry. The people whom actually come with the cash and physically explore,,like Teddy, have their well formed ideas.
Hi Ziljoe! My latest post was meant to address three things. First, I contend that if a crime against the hikers was perpetrated while they camped in the woods, it makes no sense to me to move evidence out of the woods. The tent was found by the rescuers on a barren slope. It should have been somewhere down in the trees, just farther along the trail. Therefore, I think the tent never was in the woods when tragedy struck. Too, murderers don't leave corpses around.
My second thought is that if there is a conspiracy/coverup, there will be money involved. Someone got paid. There will be something written. There are tissue sample reports not found.. It is tedious and unexciting work to follow these leads, but if indeed there were bad actors, there will also be records. Follow the money.
Finally, for all of our sleuthing, those who actually pay and travel to the site already have their own working hypotheses that may be aligned with our ideas.
This does not diminish our interest and sincerity. Indeed, some members become so overwrought as to become abusive, as we have sadly seen. I think the best outcome for any of us who can not be there of scour the physical location, the archives and bank records is to someday say, "Hey, I was right about this all along!"
What is your take on this mystery in summary?