Interview with the last witness Askinadzi
Conversation with Vladimir Mikhailovich Askinadzi (01/24/2024)
(a was capable to type only a half of this interview)
[-] Well, at least you can hear me. (Natasha Mitrova laughs). Then I will speak. Crap! It’s a pity, Vladimir Mikhailovich, that we can’t hear you... Do you have a microphone that connects to your computer?
[A.:] No...
[–] I can hear you!
[A.:] Can you hear me?
[–] And now I can’t hear it again.
[Who? Me?
[–] Yes, you can hear it, you can hear it.
[A.:] What is the question? What should I say?
[–] Whatever you want.
[A.:] What do I want?
Natasha Mitrova and Askinadzi.
[-] Tell… (laughs) Why do you think that there was no rocket crash at the pass?
[A.:] Well, Lord! Yes, there are not only rockets... All this music is the same, you know... There are many authors here. Technogen is a large chapter where all the Idlers are hidden. I have a lot of books that... Can you hear me?
[-] Yes, sure! I can listen to you all night! We've been wanting to talk like this for a long time! For about three years now, probably... Yes?
[A.:] Yeah! Well, that means it’s a technogen – it’s spread out like an octopus! And they suck everything they can out of it. They send me books, and as the first reader! Here, they are hot and only for you, and as you say, that’s how we will react. Well, to some I say: “Well, okay! You wrote 150 pages there, you put so much work into it! And it turned out great!” They get offended and stop writing, especially girls or women... I have one friend, though in Ukraine, not in Russia, who took criticism painfully... She is known to you, and I will tell you about her later without chatting. These are not rockets. Or rather, one of the chapters of this entire technogen. Small chapter.
Because a book came to me, like this! I’m not too lazy to write, I’m not too lazy to attach it somewhere in order to print a certain number of copies, send it to those who didn’t ask, and then start a conversation... Well, this version came to me that some three billion candles... Can you imagine such a lighting rocket ? 3 billion. I can’t imagine...
He read that the Americans allegedly flew at night (it’s not difficult during the day)... He dreamed about it on the sofa... over our northern latitudes, and then they dropped this illumination bomb, it illuminated there, and at that time they took photographs. 70% of this book was the characteristics of this bomb. He read everything from the Internet, and 2 pages on how to stick Dyatlov there! I sculpted and finished it. What did he want to know by this? Who set Krivonischenko's leg on fire? Here is this bomb, here it shines... And where it shines, there it warms. And fried his left leg. And then he himself was surprised: I wonder why his right leg wasn’t fried?
First, he dropped this bomb right under the cedar tree. I say: “3 billion, so she will burn several hectares of forest there!” I converted this into luxes and lumens. Anyway, it's hot! He calmed down. I told him that no, it won’t do.
He says: “Yes, I didn’t finish it here.” And he has already published the book.
This means that this technogen died, they forgot. The next batch of technogens is why they jumped out of the tent? Yudin, the author of this case, that they took him and began to choke. Even when he was alive, I told him: “Well, they suffocated, but why didn’t the partridges suffocate? We ate wood grouse there. Where is the logic?"
Well, he stopped correspondence. He was lazy. Not because I was offended. And Kuntsevich told me that Yurka is lazy in correspondence. I'm easy going!
And so on, if you look through it now, the technogen is a multi-tiered structure, and there’s a rocket there! But from the rocket, from this idea, there are a lot of legs sticking out. Because books are being written again. I’ll tell you all these names later. I have such a stack of books! Probably the largest library, where to add it?
[–] If I come to visit you, you can hand them over to me personally.
[A.:] One dreamed that it was a vacuum bomb. Some people dream of a nuclear bomb, while others dream of a vacuum bomb. The style is the same - first they invent a reason, and for this reason they pull out all the information from the Internet. What is a vacuum bomb, what is its structure, design. Well, academician! And then he stuck it again to Dyatlov. Well, okay, she didn’t die, she didn’t die... He still sometimes torments me, that he’s fixed something... He’s fixing everything. The main idea is that he didn’t study anything beyond the vacuum bomb!
The last letter I sent you was about radiation. Still a rocket! Still man-made, but now radiation. Let's check it out! What will you find there if you check? If bombs were exploding there on Novaya Zemlya for 15 years... The wind rose is such that it brings anything and everything anywhere. Maya Piskareva argued with me at one time, oh, spectrum! I say: “How do you know such words?” She: “There are many Betas there, but few Alphas.”
Yes, alpha is never enough! The skin on the fingers protects from alpha radiation... The free path there is microns, because this Alpha is heavy. And everyone forgot that the training ground is nearby! At first they exploded incorrectly. Science is science, it is stepping over problems and questions. They did not pay attention to the wind rose. That's why they stained Norway and Sweden. And then, when they say: guys, have a conscience! – We started choosing a compass rose. Now, if the wind was to the east, southeast, that is, to our territory, then they would explode... Yes, Norway and Sweden suffered greatly from Chernobyl, they were afraid there. And the trail of these tests - it will stain you with anything!
Now this author says to me: “Let’s measure everything there, let’s come there with a dosimeter!” So what are you trying on? There is 3 times more natural background there, because there have been no tests there for 30 years. They dismantled the landfill there. And the idea itself, what is it like to send a plume from Novaya Zemlya to Kazakhstan? The Mayak plant, also known as Chelyabinsk-40, was famous when the burial ground there exploded in 1957, and several villages were poisoned there.
In 1959, I graduated from the institute, physics and technology, so we bubbled half of the graduating class there! They're still there! True, half of them drank themselves to death. But this is a completely different question. And there are children, nothing terrible happened. Everything is fine, but there was a lot of alcohol! I also had a lot of alcohol! That’s why we didn’t drink less than 10 liters of alcohol on our hikes. ten in a month.
[–] Then it turns out that the Dyatlovites also had 10 liters of alcohol with them?
[A.:] No, there are no parallels here. Because the conditions are different... My alcohol was in my safe, I was already the boss. But Dyatlov had no alcohol! That is, there was no safe. Moreover, not the boss...
Another technogen, pure technogen, this is what Ivanov himself was tormented over. Fireballs. Here's another technologist who got around to Ivanov's article, where he asked for forgiveness from his relatives and so on. True, he was also disingenuous there, because the article was written in 1990, when the country no longer existed, all obligations to the old countries had already died. Yes, you gave a subscription, but now the country is different. Tell the truth! what do you know now? After all, you should know more than us! You went to Moscow for some reason, they told you there, say this, don’t say that! Tell me what you were forbidden to say?
I openly said that the party committee forbade me to speak! I was forbidden to highlight any details that no one knew, but I knew them. They told me: “Keep quiet about the details! We must first find out and allow you to speak! And tell your five guards not to talk too much! Well, don’t say anything either!”
I later wrote to Ivanov when he claimed that there was supposedly a fire on the flooring. I wrote to him in Kustanai (where Ivanov was the regional prosecutor), however, through the editorial office of the Ural Worker, I did not have his address...
Here's another man-made product for you, a pure rocket! How is this last author?
[–] Vadim Skibinsky with his R-12 rocket?
[A.:] I’m not talking about this anymore, because there is no investigation. The active warhead gasped and infected everything there with radiation. Trali-vali! We need to go there and try everything on. Well, he doesn’t understand how it happened, and how these tests were organized in general... Any tests, even small ones, are a lot of money... Firstly, the object itself is an expensive thing, even without an active warhead! And with an active warhead it was generally prohibited, because a test is a test. This means that we need to look at something that is still unknown.
So, they tested the rocket and found that there was nothing wrong. Or vice versa, here you need to put another screw. Since the tests mean they have the right to get some kind of negative result! Well, they bubbled an active warhead worth several kilotons into it. Well, several villages, for example, gasped. That is, it was forbidden to do this. Here the author is talking jokingly about the warhead, and now we need to try it on. “Nobody talked about this, I’m the first to speak. I want to hammer this post myself...” Well, hammer it in!
I criticized him 3-4 years ago, I said that the money there is immeasurable, the preparation is immeasurable in volume, because a lot of people need to be brought there.
They also need to be transported with instruments. Since there are instruments, that means power plants are needed. Since there are people, it means they need to be warm, have enough to eat, and have toilets.
All this - not a single trace in the pass area... Why are you fooling around then? This was 4 years ago. Now he wrote to me: I will continue! For God's sake continue! This is such a stubborn hope for a sensation!
Well, the technogens are gone, I can still bend your fingers. And they all come down to colossal illiteracy. And not easy. You and I are somewhat illiterate. Well, they took the primers, read them in this direction and became literate. Ignorance is terrible! When they don’t want to read or study. There is an idea... Well, there is also a technogen... After all, I also started with this, I am the author, that they were crushed by snow. Do you remember this? In 2012, in the article “We, the Last of the Mohicans,” I argued that they were crushed by wet snow. But I justified it, I didn’t say it was Eureka. I wrote that Luda had windings on her legs. So it was she who wrapped the legs herself. So she could bend over. At this moment the ribs were intact. Then she lay down. Already the brain began to shift from the cold, from the frost. She lay down with her chest on a stone, but she put her hands under herself! This means that at that moment the ribs were still intact. And then it began to be pressed down for a month and a half... and eventually it burst somewhere.
When Vietnamese (in 2018) dissected Zolotarev’s grave, laid out all these ribs, I watched carefully, because I had conversations with doctors of science, I was not shy. When I needed something, I wrote them letters. If you want, answer. If you don't want it, you don't have to. And I had 5 doctors of medical sciences who answered my questions. They said: we cannot tell without looking. Because there may be fragments there if there was a blow, or there may be a static load... Gradually they broke off. Here is the static load. This doesn’t last for half an hour, but for a month and a half.
The Vietnamese woman spread out her ribs, and I looked under a magnifying glass, but couldn’t say anything. When it's broken, put them side by side and put them together to see how it broke! One rib lies, half a meter later the second rib lies... So I didn’t understand anything...
But, I repeat, I justified it, and did not take it out of thin air. Now I’ll hook my friend... You saw his statements. He found the reason - an avalanche and nothing more, they were crushed by snow. I said: at least read it! I don’t mind, I’m not jealous that you don’t have a link to the author... Not because you’re so bad, but you just haven’t read Maya Piskareva. I know that Sasha Kahn ignored her, and Bartolomei, and Kuntsevich. She managed to quarrel with everyone. Only she really needed me. I had so much information that she cried over every letter I wrote. She wrote to me like this: “I received your letter, I can’t read it systematically, I read one paragraph, and then I ran around the apartment, spinning and spinning, and finally calmed down. Then I kneel down on the chair again, read the next paragraph, read it, and again I was spinning.” So she tormented herself with my stories. And she really rolled her eyes, because, firstly, I was independent, and secondly, I was absolutely unaware of what was being cooked there in Yekaterinburg.
Well, then, when we became friends, already with Kutsevich. In Moscow, we met with him a lot and talked. I don’t want to say that he was a 100% adherent of this direction, but he was under very great pressure from Bartholomew! But if I lived across the street from Kuntsevich, I would also be compressed.
Although I’ll just tell you one thing: I don’t have any version myself! I only know one thing: that wounds are individual. If some common cause, an explosion of something, poisoning from something... that the gas cloud poisoned them and they ran away... Well, okay, I'm 87 years old. Well forgive me!
[–] Yes, at 87 years old, you look like you are 37 years old! I told you so! Well, you still tell me, as you told me, about the fact that they could only get injured below?
[A.:] Yes, I told you about Luda. She, laying down in this bed of hers, was still almost alive, and her ribs were intact! But if, like Borzenkov... well, I mentioned the first name in vain... He has a version that, well, he brought a photograph there. This was not the case in our time... There was such a ledge, a puff of snow and a sharp cliff... They ran, they ran, they ran... Lyudka was the first to stumble, and someone jumped on her and on her chest. That's it! This doesn't happen! Well, it doesn't happen... So he took it and spanked her with both feet. Of course, he didn't insist. It was such an inconspicuous letter, which he left with Kuntsevich, and for me too. My trash is thrown out out of my head, but what I need comes to me in layers. That's why I remember a lot and I don’t even remember much...
[–] Did you understand the meaning of his letter? Well, I'll tell you later. Of course, I don’t know for sure, but I read it, and I have one guess.
[A.:] I will be grateful to you. So you're asking me to dwell on the mechanics of this matter? What do you want?
[–] I also, you know, want you to say...
[A.:] About that, again it’s technogen, because technogen is multi-layered. One of the layers is... well, should I make a list? Buyanov with his idea.
[–] Buyanov’s is not man-made.
[A.:] Yes? (interference) Well, okay, someone crashed... Buyanov says: they were crushed by this, this is where the ribs came from, Thibault was lying on a flask, they were hit from above, and his skull was broken with this flask, and so on. Yes, and my ribs were broken! I say: listen, how did they walk a kilometer and a half with broken ribs?
[–] Oh, yes, Buyanov has this...
[A.:] Don’t upset me with your memory. My only hope for you is that you will duplicate me. I say, how did they run for one and a half kilometers? He says: it’s okay, they took a deep breath, their ribs fell into place, and they went! With ten broken ribs... That’s primitive, don’t even think about it... Just take a breath and gain strength.
I explain to him, because one of the doctors of medical sciences explained to me... At one time in 2011, I was in Kyiv at the Amosov Institute, they put shunts on my heart, and the attending physician was a doctor of sciences. I hooked him on this topic at the same time. He says: “But no!” I asked him: “How long is it from when the ribs were broken to death?” He says: “And these are seconds...” Секунды!
Because if the chest is damaged, then the integrity of the whole organism is damaged. And the breathing mechanism in women and men is completely different.
Now I will talk, and you check it for yourself. I checked it myself - everything matches. Here is a man, he breathes from his stomach, his chest does not move. And the woman breathes through her chest. Because nature itself made it so that she needs the lower abdomen to bear a fetus! That's why she breathes through her chest.
And if her ribs are broken, it means she’s no longer breathing... And you hold your breath and see how long you can hold out without breathing. 40-50 seconds is the maximum. You'll already be green in 50 seconds. I looked, I’m trained, but I lasted a maximum of one and a half minutes without breathing. When I was young because I was diving. I'm a waterman. If I needed to dive underwater to get to the shore, then I held my breath for a minute and a half.
Luda had 10 broken ribs. If they had broken her in the tent, she would have suffocated there, and no one would have touched her. And once she reached, ran, crawled to the bottom, to the stream, then everything happened below. And Thibault had a wound below, and Krivonischenko’s leg was fried... Well, all the injuries occurred there. And the outstanding injuries are Zolotarev and Dubinina, this is under the snow, and so on. But Buyanov didn’t want to listen to me. Because it didn't fit in at all! And when, besides me, a dozen more tourists, including Kuntsevich, had already pecked at him, he changed the subject. I started to wonder about solar cycles. By the way, Buyanov wrote more than one book. He wrote a dozen books, and I leafed through all of these books. I could download them on the Internet. Basically, they concerned safety measures on climbing routes. This is his theme. That’s why this book (about Dyatlov) that he published is still alive... But he did not give up his version - it stuck tightly with him. He's a stubborn guy. But they are all stubborn authors. Oh, how hard it is to put them in place by the beard!
Well, I briefly told you what technogen is. This, I say, is a multi-layered structure, and more layers will appear. I will be the first, as always, they will send me and say: “Well, agree that I’m right?” They told me that I gave birth to many chanthropes myself... That I did not give a strict, tough answer that “Stop writing!”, as Konstantin Simonov once did to one officer who decided to write a book about his life path during the war. Simonov says: “Yes, you have something to remember. But you are not a writer, and you will never be a writer, because you don’t know how to write!!!” (laughing)
“Give up this craft, it’s not yours!” And now you will receive these materials after me... They will not calm down. Creativity is endless. In 2059, someone will remember the centenary. This will be a momentous year! It's a long time, but you can make it! You will only be 90 years old!
I felt really bad when I gave a good review and the author was a woman! This was the most difficult thing for me to do, to criticize a woman. Well, in general, I love those hard workers who climb, write something, create nonsense... Yes, they got lost! Yes, we went to the wrong place! And even more so if it’s a woman, she has a family, children, and she writes... That's why I treated them all softly, but I was merciless towards the men! Not sometimes, but mostly 90% is nonsense due to the global ignorance of the author. It is ignorance, not illiteracy. Well, he doesn’t know how it’s organized, what it entails... Because the girls, girlfriends, were from Leningrad, they argued among themselves there, if you remember, and you should remember. There was a certain Sulman... For some reason they dreamed that Sulman financed these searches.
[–] Well, yes, this expedition... Is it Northern?
[A.:] I enlightened them that no Sulman would be enough to pay the expenses that were spent on the search. These were the first and last such large-scale searches. Although tourists continued to die! I don't usually brag, but I have 64 corpses to my name. These are friends of my friends, half the group, the whole group, individual corpses... Basically, over 14 years.
These were students, beggars, unprepared impromptu and so on. Well, Dyatlov also had an impromptu. And here Dyatlov is not outstanding. Everyone had impromptu moments! Well, there was no time, especially before the holidays, this is a session (either winter or summer session). Faster, faster, there’s nothing to breathe there, there’s no time, that’s all! And then it took 2 days for us to quickly complete the application documents. Those who agreed in advance, like Dyatlov, that they also gave him money... They never gave me money. In my opinion, Sogrin was never given any money. I didn’t ask Bartolomei if he received money... Well, mostly for qualifying trips. When I received my Master of Sports in 1967, I received money for this route.
The master's route, as a rule, was paid for. True, that money was only enough for the trip there and back. This is already good! Of course, there wasn’t enough for food and equipment. We were wealthy then. We worked in places where the salary was slightly higher. We could afford it...
And at the institute only one or two groups could be financed by Gordo. He had volleyball players around his neck. “Uralochka” was such a team, the champion of Russia, and 99% of them were girls, UPI students. Because I knew one of them, she lived in a dormitory. Then there was a cycling section, there were also girls there - one of them became a master of sports in a year and a half. It was a horse! Strong girl!
There were parachutists, and I sometimes participated there, sometimes I jumped. If the level of competition was very high, then Gordo would give money. Not only tourists grazed there, many sections grazed there, about three dozen of them. And autotourism, and motorcycles... Winter sections. If they reached the republican level, then of course they paid for it. I had a friend who was a master of sports in parachute jumping.
I entered college, and he was in his third year. After 5 years I left to write my diploma, and he was still in his third year of study. But a master of sports! Attended or participated in all Russian competitions. I also wore my square on my dress suit for a year and a half, and then stopped.
[–] Tell me, what was the impact of the death of the Dyatlov group? When did they begin to restore order in tourism in general? What did Ivanov say, wild tourism?
[A.:] Tourism before Dyatlov and tourism after Dyatlov. As always happened under socialism - first they banned it! When, apparently somewhere at that level, they calculated what this search resulted in, they said: oh, guys, for this money it would be possible to raise tourism to such a level, wow!
Khrushchev said: ban! But how can you ban it if it was a voluntary matter? Well, who dragged me into the taiga, if for six months I lived only on this, preparing this or that route. And I’m not the only one, but everyone is like that, and so are the leaders!
I had extensive correspondence with the guys from Irkutsk, from Perm... And we still went, and I went, and then Moscow approved it all for us in retrospect. My ski trip to the Kola Peninsula was approved after 5 years. I didn’t even think, I didn’t need this category... But, nevertheless, I sent the route book and diaries. They gave me a certificate. Who else? I wrote a list of participants. All 9 people received certificates of completion of this route..
Topic: Vladimir Askinadzi (Read 39556 times)
