Theories Discussion > General Discussion

A Thought About the Bruised Knuckles

(1/5) > >>

MDGross:
The autopsy reports on Dyatlov and Slobodin state that their bruised knuckles were most likely caused by a fist fight. I'm sure others have made a similar suggestion, but here goes: In the daylight hours of Jan. 31 or Feb. 1, the Dyatlov group encountered a small Mansi hunting party. A few Mansi hunters made unseemly advances toward the two women. Dyatlov and Slobodin took exception and blows were exchanged. On the night of Feb. 1, the hunters returned with several friends. All of them were armed with rifles. The hunters forced the group out of the tent at gunpoint. Most of the hikers were poorly dressed for the freezing weather, without shoes, coats, hoods or gloves. They were marched into the woods and allowed to make a fire because the Mansi knew it would be more or less futile. At some point, the Ravine 4 snuck (or sneaked) away. The Mansi found them and beat them with the wooden end of their rifles. The bodies were thrown into the ravine. Nothing was removed from the tent because stealing from the group was not the Mansi's motive.

Early on, after the first bodies were found, the Mansi were under suspicion. But that investigation was quickly dropped. Perhaps the Communist Party leaders in Moscow feared that if the Mansi were implicated, vigilantes from Ivdel and elsewhere would kill Mansi who had nothing to do with the crime. Once the story got out from beyond the Soviet Union, the embarrassment would have been tremendous. Most certainly it would not be the image of hard-working and happy citizens that the leadership wanted to project to the world.

As a rule, the Mansi were then and now peaceful and friendly people who would harm no one. But, there are the exceptions to every rule. 

Axelrod:
Autopsies doesn't state any fight
Sheet 102:
====
Телесные повреждения, обнаруженные на теле гражданина СЛОБОДИНА, в виде ссадин, царапин, осаднения ---- причинены тупым орудием в результате падения или ушиба о камни, лед и прочее.

Повреждения были причинены как при жизни, а также в агональном состоянии и посмертно
====
The injuries found on Slobodin’s body in the form of abrasions, scrapes and graze wounds were caused by a blunt object as the result of a fall or injury on rocks, ice, etc.

The damage was caused during life, as well as in the agonal state and post mortem

Osi:
Even if there are signs of a fight, we cannot determine whether third parties were involved in the fight. Likely;  We can assume that after landing in the forest, they may have fought with each other as a result of disagreements about work and planning. It's a cliché that many adventures that begin with deep friendships, especially in multi-member groups, end in infighting, recriminations, and fights when things go wrong. Based on the Urals Mansi settlement; I can't imagine more than 4 or 5 mansi men together, even if they were organizing a hunting party. Also, there are 9 healthy athletes in front of you and you are not sure whether they are carrying firearms. How will you find the courage to overcome it?

Axelrod:
I have some thoughts about a conflict:

Next, Petr [SEMILETOV] discusses the photo from January 30 Dyatlov Pass: Truth and Lies, Part 11: Who Gets the Sugar? (December 1, 2017):


   
[–] This photo seems very important and very strange to me. Zina approached on skis, threw something (possibly a mitten) onto her ski. Zina cannot go any further because a person sitting with his back to us is blocking her path… And since Zina cannot move forward any further, she bends down and hands someone 4-5 pieces of refined sugar.

At the same time, two ski poles are stuck in the snow in front of the figure sitting with his back to us. Please note that these ski poles are narrower and shorter than regular ski poles. An adult cannot walk with such poles, they would have to walk bent over. This pole is for a child. At the same time, in other photos, ski poles with such black wrapping on the handle are not visible anywhere. These are 2 miniature poles stuck in the snow.

In the comments, they wrote to me that this could be a Mansi dwarf who came on skis. But I already said that the Mansi do not use ski poles. The question is, who came to their camp with such small ski poles?

Let's also consider the composition, it is strange. The photographer deliberately turned the camera on its side to give the photo a vertical orientation. He takes a photo of Zina, who is handing over sugar, and avoids taking a photo of the person to whom Zina is handing over sugar. On other trips, they happily photographed Mansi or deer, but here the camera is aimed strictly at Zina. There is some intention on the part of the photographer here to avoid getting into the frame the person to whom Zina is handing over sugar. The question is – to whom?

Osi:
Comparing the model's knee height with Zina's knee height, I see a high probability that one of the two knees at almost the same distance from the lens is Tibo, who is thinner than Zina, or Rüstem, who prefers light-colored socks. I may be wrong about the names, but it doesn't look like a limb belonging to a dwarf native.
Today's mop handles can be shortened and adjusted to the desired length by squeezing inwards, but I do not know if a shortening handle was invented in those days. A stick as a personal item belonging to one of the members; It may have a different design than traditional sticks and be made from a much more special material.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page