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Author Topic: They all felt endangered and reacted in the same way.  (Read 973 times)

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August 31, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
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Charles


Dear Ziljoe,

Dear Charles,

[...] I have zero understanding of the Lobster and 60 siding, and the 69ing video clip.

What is the part you don't understand:

"Look at that! What about that?"

"You had the six, but not the nine"

"Daria’s heroin use"

"she’d steal from me"

"but my tongue could be longer"

"we’re gonna go get some cocaine"

"I could sixty-nine him from here"

"Do you like East Indian food ?" ???

These lines are intelligible and fun, and excellent. I couldn't better explain them, ask your sister or your best female friend to explain. And you don't have to understand everything to take pleasure.

However, I do note a trend in your posts towards continuous sexuaality context.

I'm sorry, but you were the first to open the door and ask me if I "made love" to the girls fighting the police during clashes that I cited very factually and neutrally. You made it personal, not me.

But I am ready to concede a point to you... Maybe you are right, maybe the seven young Russian men could have hysterically behave because of snow at the top of their tent.

We know that the two girls asked them "not to smoke" and that they complained about "stupid jokes", and that a pack of cigarets was found in the belongings of the hikers... These boys were already under feminist pressure, obliged to welcome two not very pretty girls that Soviet politically correct forced them to carry as a burden ("the boys made stupid jokes", "the boys were outraged")... Being forced to hide their cigarets... and what else? To hide the vodka? To hide the sala? To hide the mandolin?

Yes, you are right, maybe these Russian boys were softened enough and ready to behave hysterically and suicidal because of snow at the top of their tent...

On the other hand, something more realistic restrains from giving credit to such bullshit. See how French young men of the XXIst century behave (the serious part begins at 2:50):



Which is a contemporary ethnographic document. These ones are very far from the 1950's Urals, aren't they ? But Thibeaux-Brignolles once posed with a IJ18 Baikal shotgun, they ate "partridge à la Otorten"... they secretly brought cigarets, they had vodka, sala and dried meat, and a mandolin...

Finally, you see, it becomes really very interesting, because contemporary "politically correct" forbids some to link with the reality of 1950's Urals, and I would say, to link with reality...
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August 31, 2022, 04:35:26 PM
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Charles


They all felt endangered... by snow at the top of their tent... yes...
 

September 03, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
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Manti


Belgravian old ladies
lol2

Anyway, I think what Charles is saying is that the French skiers weren't afraid of a couple of snow slabs, why would the have Russian hikers been?


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September 03, 2022, 01:16:11 PM
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GlennM


Manti and Charles, could it be a difference of degree? I mean by this that a slab slip in daylight and mild conditions is less a threat than the same thing at night in high catabatic wind. What I find odd is that if the hikers departed their tent at elevation 880 and trekked to the forest , why did the high winds not erase their footprints? I understand that they compressed snow as they walked. I understand wind scouring around the prints raisied them. I just  marvel at the fact that the supposed fierce winds did not completely eradicate the prints , or the subsequent snowfall not covering them up. After all were not most of the bodies covered more or less by snow?
 

September 04, 2022, 06:22:49 PM
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Manti


That could be it.

Would the serious injuries - Tibo's head injury and Lyuda's and Semyon's broken ribs - be caused by the slab? Or would the slab only scare them into abandoning the tent and those injuries came later, in the forest?
 

September 04, 2022, 06:40:33 PM
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Ziljoe


That could be it.

Would the serious injuries - Tibo's head injury and Lyuda's and Semyon's broken ribs - be caused by the slab? Or would the slab only scare them into abandoning the tent and those injuries came later, in the forest


Those with the serious injuries were found under several feet of hard snow. The hard snow implies a collapse of snow where they were found.
 

September 04, 2022, 09:38:44 PM
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GlennM


I too subscribe to the theory that injuries were sustained after leaving the tent. If footprints are to be believed, there was no foot dragging or anything claimed to be staggering steps.
 

November 27, 2022, 03:44:33 PM
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Per Inge Oestmoen


I too subscribe to the theory that injuries were sustained after leaving the tent. If footprints are to be believed, there was no foot dragging or anything claimed to be staggering steps.


The nine victims were in all probability forced at gunpoint to leave the tent. There was no hurry, because the nine did not flee by themselves.

Their attackers, who more than likely were professionals trained in killing people, assumed that they would soon freeze to death. However, that evening between February 1th and 2th, there was a relatively mild temperature. Then the students had to be hunted down and killed violently. Hence all the telling injuries.
 

November 29, 2022, 05:05:48 AM
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ilahiyol


What danger or threat affected the Dyatlov 9 in the same way? That is the great question of this maddening mystery. If something frightened them to such an extent that they fled the tent with no shoes or coats, why does it appear that they walked in an orderly fashion down the slope? If I felt my life was in danger, I'd run even in the dark. Mostly out of panic. Was it a natural occurring phenomenon such as a snow slab avalanche? If it was a snow slab, wouldn't the tent have been destroyed? And why would anyone flee in the same direction of the snow slab? An assault from outsiders remains a possibility. That may explain the orderly walk down the slope and perhaps the cracked skulls and broken ribs of those who didn't succumb to hypothermia. It may also explain what many feel was a government ordered coverup. As I write this, I favor a third-party assault over a natural phenomenon by, oh, 51% by 49%. Tomorrow I'll probably lean the other way!!!!!
Running barefoot in the pitch dark at minus 20 degrees at night means death. And no professional mountaineer would do that, no matter how frightened he may be. Because it is impossible to run in the dark without seeing the way ahead. Even if you run, you'll likely fall to the ground before long. And running makes you sweat in a short time. And sweat means death at minus 20 degrees and in a windy environment. These young people were intelligent and knew very well that they would not be treated this way unless there was immediate danger of death. The reason why they went to the forest and not the stock tent might be because the unknown Force was leading them into the forest. So the unknown Power was positioned between the tent and the stock tent. So the group couldn't get to the stock tent and they headed to the forest
 

November 29, 2022, 05:13:48 AM
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ilahiyol


I too subscribe to the theory that injuries were sustained after leaving the tent. If footprints are to be believed, there was no foot dragging or anything claimed to be staggering steps.


The nine victims were in all probability forced at gunpoint to leave the tent. There was no hurry, because the nine did not flee by themselves.

Their attackers, who more than likely were professionals trained in killing people, assumed that they would soon freeze to death. However, that evening between February 1th and 2th, there was a relatively mild temperature. Then the students had to be hunted down and killed violently. Hence all the telling injuries.
If the state killed them, why would they leave the bodies there? That would be so silly. You're going to spend hours killing them and leaving the bodies there? After all, it's the state that does the search... The state could at least hide the last three bodies. Because it is certain that they did not die of cold. And why should the state torture the people they want to kill? Removing the eyes, removing the tongue, removing the chin, breaking the ribs, etc. It is also very difficult or even impossible for the state to find the Dytlov group at the top of the mountain at night. It would also be illogical for them to detect their location during the day and attack at night. If you spotted it during the day, it would make much more sense to attack during the day. Why wait at night?
 

November 29, 2022, 02:04:59 PM
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GlennM


I agree that murderers don't leave incriminating evidence ( read corpses) unless they are making some statement with the remains. This statement will either be in the form of public or private symbolism. I find absolutely nothing in this tragedy that suggests public symbolism, neither have the original investigators. There is absolutely nothing to show that the killing of the hikers was intended as a grim warning, an offering or any thing else. Additionally, the location and nature of the deceased do not indicate some sort of private symbolism, whose message makes sense to the murderers. Some imaginative members of this forum have tried to invent a private symbolism interpretation  but  it is the symbolism of the poster, not the assailants, for there were none. No, the DP9 had an odd mix of resources and deprivations at the time of their crisis. It would surely be an amateurish and sloppy assassination to have the victims fitted out as they were and then having the perpetrating agents rolling the dice to see if this sort of thing would work, in the meantime freezing themselves during the wait.

 The obvious conclusion is that they the DP9 were not driven to death by other humans. That scenario presupposes a whole lot of speculative "what if`s" that are not established fact, but rather additional layers of creative spins and embellishments. Occam's Razor has been mentioned numerous times on the forum and it has merit. To wit, the explanation of their demise with the fewest assumptions is that they were affected by a weather related event which caused them to seek temporary shelter elsewhere. Everything else that has been observed and documented is a consequence of their failed attempts at survival. To circle back to this reply, we know the corpses were not hidden, but should have been, given the wilderness location.. There is nothing in the official record indicative of symbolic action public or private. Nothing points to human intervention of the malicious kind that is unequivocal. Rather, everything could and could more easily be explained by natural causes. Conspiracies make for good theater and titillating reading. A tragedy from natural causes, not so much. If a DPI investigator insists on a conspiracy, I say, " Follow the money!" Either the perpetrators or the writers about the perpetration are or were paid. That in my opinion about where the proverbial smoking gun is. Follow the money!
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