In the book it says that the tent was not where it was found. There was no reason to be there and it couldn't been there. This is what the ridge looks like at this time of the year. Would you pitch a tent in this conditions?Именно из-за погодных условий палатка и оказалась там, где её нашли.
С места трагедии (следователь) Иванов прислал мне в Свердловск самолетом первую же найденную фотопленку из фотоаппарата Юрия Кривонищенко. Ее надо было срочно проявить, и я проявил ее за ночь в своей квартире и отпечатал с нее фотографии последнего дня группы - от утренних веселых сборов до вечерней установки палатки в штормовых условиях.
What about the statements saying the foot prints were found bare feet or with socks?
FYI Teddy there's another photo of Yuri Krivonischenko on the autopsy table with his shirt raised up on to his chest. That I can't see on Dyatlov.com . I don't know if this new or has been missed. I thought all photos were displayed here.
mad exodus from the tent but a slow and calm departure. Some of the theories on here seem to omit the stride of those prints. Am I reading the photos wrong??
I can be in one rabbit hole at a time. If someone sees photos that I do not have on the site, please let me know like Ziljoe did..
This site is a collective work. Thank you all for your support.
After reading 1079 I was confused. How can a fallen tree crush hikers when they were camped on a barren slope? Why didn't the tree damage the tent or its contents? Instead, I think all of them were frightened by a ground tremor relating to cracking ice. They performed a textbook evacuation of the tent and scattered in the snow. They regrouped and decended the slope underestimating the distance in the night They did not immediately return after scattering because the tent was ruined by cutting and they would be foolish to return a mile uphill to find their tent covered and then trek another mile again down to the forest. This would be a total of 3 trips at night in sub zero weather. They could not dismiss the source of their fright.Why go back and get your stuff only to get trapped assuming the tent could be found. A needle in a haystack? After reaching the cedar,three members had a change of heart willing to take the risk with Igor feeling most responsible, others feeling loyal. The case will be unsolved because shaking ground, cracking ice slabs or even katabatic winds are transient phenomena.
Sorry Glenn. We have messed your thread up . Apologies . Some ground tremor is an idea.
I have showed the photos of the footprints to an expert forensic traceologist and have his sworn expert opinion that these footprints are left by shod feet i.e. wearing shoes.Этого не может быть. Заключение эксперта легко опровергнуть.
The only testimony directly saying the footprints were barefoot was that of Chernishev:Нет. Об отпечатках пальцев в следах свидетельствует и Согрин:
https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-88-93#91
The footprints are not left by the hikers. They cannot(?) preserve for a month. They are left days before the tent was found...Кто-то из поисковиков рассказывал, что следы на снегу сохранялись очень долго, до апреля. Их наблюдали разные смены поисковиков.
Wow, you're right, Ziljoe. That page has 6(?) morgue photos of Krivonischenko that I've never seen before!I can be in one rabbit hole at a time. If someone sees photos that I do not have on the site, please let me know like Ziljoe did..
This site is a collective work. Thank you all for your support.
http://sledopyt1959.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=761#p29772
The photos should be on this page Teddy.
Wow, you're right, Ziljoe. That page has 6(?) morgue photos of Krivonischenko that I've never seen before!I can be in one rabbit hole at a time. If someone sees photos that I do not have on the site, please let me know like Ziljoe did..
This site is a collective work. Thank you all for your support.
http://sledopyt1959.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=761#p29772
The photos should be on this page Teddy.
So sorry, but does 'woodpeckers' mean?The Russian word "дятлов" ("dyatlov" when Romanized) translates literally to English as "woodpeckers". You will see it a lot in text about the Dyatlov Pass Incident that has been machine translated from Russian to English.
I am reminded of this year-old thread (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=788.0) in which the admittedly odd topic of Krivonischenko and postmortem priapism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection) came up. At the time, I had never seen a morgue photo of Krivonischenko in which his genitals were exposed. Well...today I learned that such photos exist, and they're just as unpleasant to look at as the rest of the postmortem photos.Wow, you're right, Ziljoe. That page has 6(?) morgue photos of Krivonischenko that I've never seen before!
I think 5 are the same but just cropped.
Secondly, the forensic site and vicinity of the tragedy had no evidence of tampering.It was not a forensic site.. it was a search by students who hoped to find their friends, alive. There was no suspicion of any crime and it wasn't treated as a crime scene initially.
there was no suggestion that anyone else was in the area prior to the search.This was a Mansi rest stop. Grigoriev dug up hide from around the cedar.
Thank you so much for bringing up the tassled piece of fabric found at the cedar that was said to look similar to the ties Mansi used for logging purposes. Too often do people say there was NO evidence of anyone else there on the mountain.
Thank you so much for bringing up the tassled piece of fabric found at the cedar that was said to look similar to the ties Mansi used for logging purposes.This is in Slobtsov's testimony: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300#299back
Too often do people say there was NO evidence of anyone else there on the mountain.I know.
Thank you so much for bringing up the tassled piece of fabric found at the cedar that was said to look similar to the ties Mansi used for logging purposes.This is in Slobtsov's testimony: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300#299back
Too often do people say there was NO evidence of anyone else there on the mountain.I know.
This is in Slobtsov's testimony: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300#299backhttp://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=96415
"I was present when we found under same cedar a cloth belt of dark color with tassels at the ends. I don't know who this item belongs to. The length of this item is about 80 cm, the width is about 10 cm, looks like a belt or strap, with which the Mansi pull loads, except the object would be not strong enough for this purpose."
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=96415
В сети встречается неправильная расшифровка "матерчатый пояс с темляками на концах". На самом деле "с тесемками":
(http://1723.ru/forums/uploads/post-4382-1567515688.jpg)
Полезная вещь в походе, особенно если предстоит спать на холодном полу. Пояс мог быть утерян вследствие обрыва или развязывания тесёмок.
The problem is that Slobtsov who saw it and who is an experienced hiker didn't recognize it as such. No matter what he call it he said he doesn't know what it is.Мне неизвестно, чтобы туристы в те годы носили такие пояса. Но Золотарёв отличался от других туристов. Он был фронтовик, которые всю войну спали в окопах на земле. Этот пояс мог принадлежать ему.
I do not know if hikers in those years wore such belts. But Zolotaryov was different from other tourists. He was a front-line soldier who slept in the trenches on the ground throughout the war. This belt could belong to him.Agree
Just in case, this belt can't be a soldier's wrap. The length of the winding is more than 2 meters.
Teddy merci beaucoup pour votre éclairage et pour nous expliquer que la tente ne se trouvait pas là. Elle a donc été déplacée pour brouiller les pistes et ne pas faire que l'on s'approche trop près de la vérité. Oui mais laquelle de vérité?
1- Who has an interest in lying and why?
2- This tragedy is for me of non-human origin, but we have already discussed it. But then what truth is it in our interest to hide and why? Come on, I'm taking the plunge: in my humble opinion, it's because this truth will challenge all our beliefs, and it might be a half-open door to start asking questions that governments prefer precisely ignore, whereas from a certain hierarchical level they are aware. And that can be dangerous for any diet. What do you think Teddy? Do not hesitate to tell me if you think so that I am totally off the mark and at that time I will drop my research because intuitively I trust you. Thanks in advance.
Great point, Teddy. It doesn't seem like much progress is being made because many ppl (myself included at times) have developed their own theory of what happened and tend to omit or explain away the evidence that doesn't support their theory. Scenarios seem to get wilder and wilder by the moment but I am truly faithful that if anyone can make any progress with this case, you can.1- Who has an interest in lying and why?
I don't think if I keep saying that body dump so you don't loose your job and be sent in the gulag gets any clearer by repeating it over and over again, and it is in the book, so I have accepted to elaborate some more, maybe my voice will add to the argument. Not sure if we are not just gathered here to spend time talking about something and if we are really making any progress in solving the case if we can't convince each other or seem to agree on anything, but I promise to elaborate more on the subject in a talk show on the anniversary of the tragedy. I will announce it a week prior.
For my part, I believe Russian authorities acted responsibly and with considerable effort to resolve the tragedy. I can not fathom that any conspiracy to kill 9 valuable Soviets, stage a scenario, and lie to authorities that would get past the scrutiny of Soviet prosecutors. Russians are intelligent people, they love their children and want the truth.
Military-type (or even execution-style crimes) are clean and quick. The assassins are like ghosts, there and gone, typically with quick gunshots to the head. That's why these seem like rage killings to me. I think those at the cedar fought for their lives with the defense wounds to prove it. What happened to the others was even more violent and horrific (different MO, different offenders than cedar) If you think the scenario of 'jumping or stomping' caused the rib and heart injuries in the snow den, it is unfathomable that assassins would take the time or go to such lengths to cause so much agony. Unless of course it was torture.
There would be no other motivation to leave the tent barefooted and in underwear unless they were under extreme duress. But the high impact chest wounds couldn't be caused by a fall unless it was from at least 60 feet high. There is nowhere in the terrain around the scenes that shows a 60 foot drop anywhere. So the chest wounds couldn't have come from falling...