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Theories Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dona on March 23, 2021, 09:12:13 AM
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They didnt dig a snow den.. Their clean hands prove that.. nary scratch on them.. Also, they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..
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For the rav 4 and the Yuris under the tree, we can't really judge much based on body positions. The Yuris were moved as the others took their clothing after death. The rav 4 were in running water; their bodies very well could have shifted from melting snow and water. The state of the bath skin on the rav 4 also makes it difficult to determine injuries/dirt on their hands.
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They were under 10 feet of snow, frozen solid.. I doubt they shifted much.. Also, I didnt mean clean, as in free of dirt. I meant clean, as in free of the scratches, abrasions and bruises that the others all have.
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They didnt dig a snow den.. Their clean hands prove that.. nary scratch on them.. Also, they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..
Well I doubt they would have got far trying to dig a snow den with bare hands. They may have had some other means of digging, and also we dont know how deep the snow was when they were at the Ravine.
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Their hands have no injuries.. They didnt dig anything..
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(https://i.ibb.co/VQH8tVr/den.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2s8Byqm)
So you are saying that this much snow fell from the beginning of February to the May 5 when they were found? Just trying to make sure I understand what you are saying
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Thats not the ravine..
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Their hands have no injuries.. They didnt dig anything..
Okay, sure, right, everything's fine.
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Thats not the ravine..
That is what I thought it was labelled as, my mistake, what is this area then? Isn't this the den they built and put the cedar branches down as a sort of floor
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Thats not the ravine..
That is what I thought it was labelled as, my mistake, what is this area then? Isn't this the den they built and put the cedar branches down as a sort of floor
Fear not this Den is not a Den of iniquity. Its still subject to interpretaion. No one seems to have a clear explanation.
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Thats not the ravine..
That is what I thought it was labelled as, my mistake, what is this area then? Isn't this the den they built and put the cedar branches down as a sort of floor
Now I'm confused. I thought this was established as the den they built and they were found laying a bit away from it. If it isn't the den, what is it?
Fear not this Den is not a Den of iniquity. Its still subject to interpretaion. No one seems to have a clear explanation.
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tenne... Thats the snow cave. Based on the injuries to their hands, built by Igors team.. The snow den, some say, was in the ravine.. I dont think so tho.. no hand injuries on them and and they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..
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sarapuk... Whats not clear?
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tenne... Thats the snow cave. Based on the injuries to their hands, built by Igors team.. The snow den, some say, was in the ravine.. I dont think so tho.. no hand injuries on them and and they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..
Who built the snow cave then?
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Igors group...the 5 that were not in the ravine..
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Igors group...the 5 that were not in the ravine..
Now I am really confused. I thought that Igor's group were under the cedar, then 2 died, and 3 were found on the slope, the ravine 4 built a den in a ravine and were found out side the den in a creek. where was the snow cave then and why were the bodies under the cedar and on the slope?
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The snow cave was near the ravine..They all died after they built it..Why they left it... who knows..
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Dividing the group into 3 explains many things. This means that they are absolutely confused and do not know what to do. A group is digging in the snow at minus 10 degrees colder! The other group is trying to light a fire at minus 10 degrees and on a windy night! The other group is trying to walk uphill in the snow to the tent 1.5km away in almost total darkness !!! They are definitely very confused and scared. But they did everything they could to survive ... Especially the trio trying to get up to the tent was quite brave ... Two of the other Yuri's stayed where they were and the other four looked for a hiding place ..... God bless their souls.
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Poor Zena. Still in love with Yuri D. and comes across his dead body..
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sarapuk... Whats not clear?
The Den or snow cave is not proven to be that. A lot of snow accumulated in that area over the course of weeks and months.
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Their clothing was in it..
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Their clothing was in it..
Yes along with some wood laid out on the ground. But that doesnt prove a Den or Snow Cave.
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Igor and the others would know to build a snow cave.. a shelter of some kind..
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They were crushed by snow. Proved by Ortyukov's radiogram.
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=64055
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It was also Spring.. The snow was melting then refreezing, repeatedly.. And I doubt they would dig a cave over running water..The last thing you would ever want in that situation would be to get wet.. And, again, their hands show no signs of digging.
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The fact remains that the Igors group are bloodied, bruised and battered and the people in the ravine are essentially pristine.
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Also, the other cave was buried too.. Did it collapse too? They were simply covered in snow..snowing, drifts etc
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Above the deck, the snow wasn't as hard as it was over the bodies:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=64622
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905)
Can you provide a translation?
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905)
Can you provide a translation?
Yes, please!! Or even a basic synopsis?
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https://translate.google.com/
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Gobbledygook
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The snow cave was near the ravine..They all died after they built it..Why they left it... who knows..
Just a thought. After Yuri D. and Yuri K. died, the four left the fire and walked deeper into the forest. Why they left the fire is open for interpretation. 3 of the four (or all four) lost footing and, possibly slid down an embankment and landed onto exposed rocks (Dubinina was found lying face down on a large rock). 3 of the four were mortally wounded during this fall. The remaining member, who did not sustain significant injuries, built the bed nearby. They did not build a snow cave. After succumbing to the elements, the fourth member died by the others. They were missed during the initial search and eventually covered by a lot of snow.
This has obvious problems but it makes the most sense.
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If they fell, they would have broken arms from bracing the fall..No one falls face first..It was a slope..not a cliff.
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905)
Can you provide a translation?
Yes, please!! Or even a basic synopsis?
You may be able to configure your web browser to automatically translate a foreign-language webpage into English via your online translation machine of choice (or at least, via the browser vendor's translation machine). I'm currently posting via Chromium under Debian GNU/Linux, and its out-of-the-box default is to ask you whether you want to translate a foreign-language page with Google Translate.
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Posting someone elses opinion doesnt substantiate your own.
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905)
Can you provide a translation?
Yes, please!! Or even a basic synopsis?
You may be able to configure your web browser to automatically translate a foreign-language webpage into English via your online translation machine of choice (or at least, via the browser vendor's translation machine). I'm currently posting via Chromium under Debian GNU/Linux, and its out-of-the-box default is to ask you whether you want to translate a foreign-language page with Google Translate.
Aha!!! Thanks to my amazing daughter who has mad IT skills (so glad those college loans are paying off!!!!) she was able to show me how to install Chrome onto my Kindle so I can translate pages automatically, now!!! Okay, now I have even more reading to do, lol! The Kindle Silk browser did not have an extension or add on for translations so up until now, I had to copy and paste line by line into Google translate and it was simply not possible for me to do anything of length and get meaningful information.
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Aha!!! Thanks to my amazing daughter who has mad IT skills (so glad those college loans are paying off!!!!) she was able to show me how to install Chrome onto my Kindle so I can translate pages automatically, now!!! Okay, now I have even more reading to do, lol! The Kindle Silk browser did not have an extension or add on for translations so up until now, I had to copy and paste line by line into Google translate and it was simply not possible for me to do anything of length and get meaningful information.
Glad to hear it!
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If they fell, they would have broken arms from bracing the fall..No one falls face first..It was a slope..not a cliff.
It was a ravine.
People don't get broken ribs from a fall!?
https://trauma-acute-care.imedpub.com/injuries-sustained-by-falls--a-review.php?aid=18940
"Thoracic injuries are more common in high falls, the commonest specific injuries being rib fractures, lung contusion, pneumothorax and hemothorax [10]. In very high falls cardiac and aortic rupture are common [3]."
Fall from 4 ft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UtocXtlmTM
https://youtu.be/yACJTNJ4rZU?t=349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ9fWJeNBno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBNGSykJMR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN2V89gHMJo
The medical examiner even stated fall as possible explanation of injuries:
Question: From what kind of force could Thibeaux-Brignolle have received such injury?
Answer: In the conclusion, it’s shown the damage to Thibeaux-Brignolle’s head could have been the result of the throwing, fall or jettisoning of the body.
Falling in the dark happens fast.
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https://translate.google.com/ (https://translate.google.com/)
You speak better english than google translate or deepl, so why not use it?
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I have had no problems reading Igor B's links. I am not sure what problem you guys are having with automatic translation.
I highly recommend reading it all to understand, it would save on all the questions.
From what I can astatine and in a very basic explanation , the ravine 4 were possibly the first to die. The area is very different today than how it was 60 years ago with vegetation. The nature of the wind would blow the snow over the ravine. (Igor shows an example photo) . It is possible that there was a natural snow cave over the ravine. It is suggested that the may have dug out some more snow and made the roof of the cave too flat which makes it more likely to collapse. The reason they are found the way they were is because they were sheltering themselves and using the coats to cover each other, or sharing them. It doesn't mean they were lying in the stream and there may have been some migration of the bodies when the thawing started.
If there was a couple of meters of snow above them and it collapsed , it could explain the broken ribs and maybe the eyes being forced out as Dona has suggested. Igor B explains a lot of this and why there are less damage to their hands and why only one side of the ribs are broken. Igor B explains the nature of the snow in a collapse and how it becomes harder and more compact.
It was identified at the time of digging them out that the snow was hard.
There is a lot of good information and research with photos and videos of the area. It is the best explanation that I have read hands down.
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I have had no problems reading Igor B's links. I am not sure what problem you guys are having with automatic translation.
I highly recommend reading it all to understand, it would save on all the questions.
From what I can astatine and in a very basic explanation , the ravine 4 were possibly the first to die. The area is very different today than how it was 60 years ago with vegetation. The nature of the wind would blow the snow over the ravine. (Igor shows an example photo) . It is possible that there was a natural snow cave over the ravine. It is suggested that the may have dug out some more snow and made the roof of the cave too flat which makes it more likely to collapse. The reason they are found the way they were is because they were sheltering themselves and using the coats to cover each other, or sharing them. It doesn't mean they were lying in the stream and there may have been some migration of the bodies when the thawing started.
If there was a couple of meters of snow above them and it collapsed , it could explain the broken ribs and maybe the eyes being forced out as Dona has suggested. Igor B explains a lot of this and why there are less damage to their hands and why only one side of the ribs are broken. Igor B explains the nature of the snow in a collapse and how it becomes harder and more compact.
It was identified at the time of digging them out that the snow was hard.
There is a lot of good information and research with photos and videos of the area. It is the best explanation that I have read hands down.
I've been reading through it, now that I've got a browser that translates. I had not personally thought about a snow cave with a roof, until now. I always assumed it was just a hole dug vertically into the snow, rather than a cave dug more horizontally. We used to dig crazy snow caves as kids every day, I just hadn't considered it this was, for whatever reason (I'm much less creative as an adult than I was in my immortal youth, lol!!) It makes sense. And the way it is presented makes sense. I've always felt that you can't judge the body positions in the ravine based on how they were found as snow and water can shift things, substantially. This is absolutely a plausible scenario, as presented.
Thank you for the synopsis!! It has been frustrating for me trying to translate various sources. Kindle has weird proprietary issues so being able to install a browser that supported a translation add-on took some time. Well, it took *me* time whining and took my daughter five minutes to hack, lol!!
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I think Bigfoot would be a better explanation..
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Thanks Kfinn. It is a very interesting theory . It give explanations to a lot of the problems, even the hands , autopsy reports. Its Igor B's research and is very extensive. It is a good simple theory that is plausible.
As I understand it from the photos, the den was slightly above the ravine 4. He also suggested there was a significant change in temperature.
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I think Bigfoot would be a better explanation..
Hi Dona, how would you fit Bigfoot in to the explanation?
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I was being facetious.. People dont fall to their deaths sliding down a snow slope.
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I was being facetious.. People dont fall to their deaths sliding down a snow slope.
Lol Dona. I was guessing that you were.
Igor B is not saying they walked over a snow bridge and fell( this has been suggested by others though)
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If they fell, they would have broken arms from bracing the fall..No one falls face first..It was a slope..not a cliff.
It was a ravine.
People don't get broken ribs from a fall!?
https://trauma-acute-care.imedpub.com/injuries-sustained-by-falls--a-review.php?aid=18940 (https://trauma-acute-care.imedpub.com/injuries-sustained-by-falls--a-review.php?aid=18940)
"Thoracic injuries are more common in high falls, the commonest specific injuries being rib fractures, lung contusion, pneumothorax and hemothorax [10]. In very high falls cardiac and aortic rupture are common [3]."
Fall from 4 ft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UtocXtlmTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UtocXtlmTM)
https://youtu.be/yACJTNJ4rZU?t=349 (https://youtu.be/yACJTNJ4rZU?t=349)
The medical examiner even stated fall as possible explanation of injuries:
Question: From what kind of force could Thibeaux-Brignolle have received such injury?
Answer: In the conclusion, it’s shown the damage to Thibeaux-Brignolle’s head could have been the result of the throwing, fall or jettisoning of the body.
Falling in the dark happens fast.
From your first link, falls with a drop of 22m (6 floors) result in a 50% mortality. A fall of 7.34m results in 4% mortality. Wrt emergency services, Lyudmila would have been DOA, Semyon probably the same, Nicolai's survival would depend on his brain function but note his skull was misshapen with the base of the skull split up to 4mm, so perhaps 50/50 that he would have lived, unlikely that he would function properly.
Breaking ribs from a fall of 4 feet is not a flail chest, Semyon's morgue photo shows that his upper rib cage has simply been flattened. Also the shoulder blade fracture suggests he was lying on his back.
A fallen tree is a far more sensible theory (for the ravine deaths).
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Who is this Igor that you keep referencing?
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5 people, including Rustem, falling to their deaths at one time.. is ludicrous.
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Who is this Igor that you keep referencing?
Look at posts #23 and #31 Dona, that's Igor B .
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Ahhh,, Thanks!
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Agreed Nigel..
And the tree would be more believable.. :)
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They only way the fall theory works is if they had their hands tied behind their backs and they were pushed.. ...I might could go with that
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Nigel Evans. Have a read of Igor B explanation of things. Its an I retesting approach as well as a tree. He also covers from the tent, it's location and all of the following events . I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Dont do that. People dont have all day to read someone elses links.. Explain it yourself and if they are interested they can go read it.
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Dont do that. People dont have all day to read someone elses links.. Explain it yourself and if they are interested they can go read it.
Hi Dona, are you addressing me?
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yessir..
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Nigel Evans. Have a read of Igor B explanation of things. Its an I retesting approach as well as a tree. He also covers from the tent, it's location and all of the following events . I would love to hear your thoughts.
He's posted several links, some of us are busy? But if you repost it i'll have a read.
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Regarding translating, WAB used to translate into English because this is an english speaking forum.
There are courtesies...
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yessir..
I'm not sure what you mean?. If you want to search and you obviously are interested in the this mystery, why would you not look and read someone else's links?
I don't want to to take away from Igor's B hard work. I don't want to claim his research as my own. I think it might answer a lot of your questions if you have a look. Nothing more or less. I read nearly everything on this sitefor 4 years, every post and on other sites.
I was with the avalanche theory as to why they left the tent at first. I don't buy into aliens, Bigfoot or any paranormal event. I have yet to read Teddy's account in detail and I will.
Just as you look into this rabbit hole, Igor B , for me at least has done a lot of research. 100 plus pages, of conversations similar to this. You don't have to look.
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Regarding translating, WAB used to translate into English because this is an english speaking forum.
There are courtesies...
Hit the link and Google will do the hard work Nigel. All you got to do is read.
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It was also Spring.. The snow was melting then refreezing, repeatedly.. And I doubt they would dig a cave over running water..The last thing you would ever want in that situation would be to get wet.. And, again, their hands show no signs of digging.
Spring in February in Siberia ! ?
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The fact remains that the Igors group are bloodied, bruised and battered and the people in the ravine are essentially pristine.
2 of the bodies at the Ravine were in an awful state.
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Also, the other cave was buried too.. Did it collapse too? They were simply covered in snow..snowing, drifts etc
What other Cave ! ?
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905)
Can you provide a translation?
It Translates to English
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The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905)
Can you provide a translation?
Yes, please!! Or even a basic synopsis?
You may be able to configure your web browser to automatically translate a foreign-language webpage into English via your online translation machine of choice (or at least, via the browser vendor's translation machine). I'm currently posting via Chromium under Debian GNU/Linux, and its out-of-the-box default is to ask you whether you want to translate a foreign-language page with Google Translate.
Aha!!! Thanks to my amazing daughter who has mad IT skills (so glad those college loans are paying off!!!!) she was able to show me how to install Chrome onto my Kindle so I can translate pages automatically, now!!! Okay, now I have even more reading to do, lol! The Kindle Silk browser did not have an extension or add on for translations so up until now, I had to copy and paste line by line into Google translate and it was simply not possible for me to do anything of length and get meaningful information.
Chrome is very good. My Computer Boffin Cousin reckons on Firefox, but I always had problems with Firefox. I get Automatic Translation from Russian to English. More wonderful Theories to explore and pull to pieces.
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They were found in May.. Springtime.
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People think that there was a 2nd cave in the ravine.. I dont .
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2 of the bodies were in bad shape but not in the same way as Igors group who were scraped up, head to toe..
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Zolotarev suffered a broken ribs in the collapse of a snow shelter in a ravine and nowhere else:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56401
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56113
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You are free to believe what you want..
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Regarding translating, WAB used to translate into English because this is an english speaking forum.
There are courtesies...
Hit the link and Google will do the hard work Nigel. All you got to do is read.
Which link?
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People think that there was a 2nd cave in the ravine.. I dont .
I've not seen anyone say that. They found what they call a den. A space in the side of a snow drift or slope of the ravine which may have been made or dug out by using their feet. It looks like there was no roof. A possibility is they were breaking the large branches on the ceder to make a roof for the den.
The spread of clothes found at the fire may have something to do with people getting wet and trying to dry clothes.
It was suggested there was a lot of activity around the ceder and on the way to the den. Broken/cut trees etc.
The snow shelter/cave is suspected to be where the ravine 4 were found, under collapsed snow which can be extremely heavy. Depending on the condition of the snow and humidity in the air etc( I am no expert) it can be like concrete after a collapse. You can not move.
Zolotarev was found lying on the side of the broken ribs. He would not be lying on this side if he was alive with these injuries. Also the If you look at the bodies of the ravine 4 , it is conceivable they were lying together closely for warmth. Less damage to their hands because they used a naturally formed shelter.
Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle was also found there with the impact on his skull which could be the result of a large mass of wet snow falling on his head which in turn was resting on rocks. Likewise , Lyudmila lying on her back and then the collapse breaking her ribs.
Its not a perfect explanation but nothing is. If this collapse happened on the first of February , it is along time before they are found. When these bodies were discovered it was said that they were decomposing quickly. There's nothing suspicious to me at all about missing eyes and the state of the flesh etc.
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Regarding translating, WAB used to translate into English because this is an english speaking forum.
There are courtesies...
Hit the link and Google will do the hard work Nigel. All you got to do is read.
Which link?
This one.
Zolotarev suffered a broken ribs in the collapse of a snow shelter in a ravine and nowhere else:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56401
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56113
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Regarding translating, WAB used to translate into English because this is an english speaking forum.
There are courtesies...
Hit the link and Google will do the hard work Nigel. All you got to do is read.
Which link?
This one.
Zolotarev suffered a broken ribs in the collapse of a snow shelter in a ravine and nowhere else:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56401 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56401)
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56113 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56113)
Ok i've read those (two) links.
I can't see anything of importance there. The observation that Nicolai's arm is out of his sleeve is incorrect. This is how he was found :--
(https://i.ibb.co/y8MjZRd/6S-43.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8jRZfBN)
You're looking at his back with his face hidden, he's pointing to the right. Looks like he's wearing both sleeves to me.
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I agree it's difficult to tell much from that Photo Nigel.
Igor B explains all your questions throughout the link. I don't want to be a middle man or plagiarise his research and ideas. Plus I don't think Igor B is trying to be rude by not posting in English. There's over a hundred pages where he has put his theory up for scrutiny. Videos and photos etc.
"Ok i've read those (two) links.
I can't see anything of importance there. The observation that Nicolai's arm is out of his sleeve is incorrect. This is how he was found :--"
Its important because of this thread. " They were NOT crushed by snow" . There is a lot more information within his link.
Its a debate, there is an explanation by Igor . I agree it's interesting to find holes in other people's theories but i think you would enjoy reading it all.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Cv7cg3/hood.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qjBbG0H)
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=62732
P.S. I don't speak English.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Cv7cg3/hood.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qjBbG0H)
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=62732
P.S. I don't speak English.
Спасибо, Игорь Б. Я считаю вашу теорию сильной от начала до конца, она очень интересна и объясняет многие вопросы, на которые нет ответов.
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I agree it's difficult to tell much from that Photo Nigel.
Igor B explains all your questions throughout the link. I don't want to be a middle man or plagiarise his research and ideas. Plus I don't think Igor B is trying to be rude by not posting in English. There's over a hundred pages where he has put his theory up for scrutiny. Videos and photos etc.
"Ok i've read those (two) links.
I can't see anything of importance there. The observation that Nicolai's arm is out of his sleeve is incorrect. This is how he was found :--"
Its important because of this thread. " They were NOT crushed by snow" . There is a lot more information within his link.
Its a debate, there is an explanation by Igor . I agree it's interesting to find holes in other people's theories but i think you would enjoy reading it all.
There's an old joke - "If you can't say it on a side of A4 then go away and write a book". kewl1 I do think that the real explanation for the ravine deaths (whatever that is) can be described on a side of A4, preferably in a language i can read easily. My own view is that atmospheric electricity or military ordnance OR BOTH, explains the DPI. Wrt the ravine deaths there would be a raised temperature that would start to melt snow (check out the splayed footsteps = wet snow or slush), lack of frostbite in feet with only socks, Rustem was lying in a stream bed and firn snow on tent. This resulted at the ravine, in a slab slide that pushed them down from sitting and then crushed them under the snow. Nicolai's head landed between two chests that took most of the downforce, Lyudmila's throat also taking sideways force.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Cv7cg3/hood.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qjBbG0H)
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=62732 (http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=62732)
P.S. I don't speak English.
Hi there. Nicolai's jacket fastened at the front (with a zip). Hence that's the back of the jacket with the water bulging it out where you've marked "head".
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See my first post - https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150
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Спасибо, Игорь Б. Я считаю вашу теорию сильной от начала до конца, она очень интересна и объясняет многие вопросы, на которые нет ответов.
Значит нас уже трое:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=85366
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See my first post - https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150
I'm having a look Nigel. Interesting also. More than a bit of A4 though....
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See my first post - https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150 (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150)
I'm having a look Nigel. Interesting also. More than a bit of A4 though....
The drawing is on a side of A4 kewl1 (no translation required?) kewl1 kewl1
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See my first post - https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150 (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150)
I'm having a look Nigel. Interesting also. More than a bit of A4 though....
The drawing is on a side of A4 kewl1 (no translation required?) kewl1 kewl1
Sorry, Nigel. I wasn't sure what you meant by the A4. The link you gave didn't lead to the first page. But I've got it now.
I'm not sure about the tracked vehicle...if I understand correctly , your position of the bodies was initially in the den , then through time the bodies migrated to their found location? ( I haven't gone through all the posts yet)
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See my first post - https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150 (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150)
I'm having a look Nigel. Interesting also. More than a bit of A4 though....
The drawing is on a side of A4 kewl1 (no translation required?) kewl1 kewl1
Sorry, Nigel. I wasn't sure what you meant by the A4. The link you gave didn't lead to the first page. But I've got it now.
I'm not sure about the tracked vehicle...if I understand correctly , your position of the bodies was initially in the den , then through time the bodies migrated to their found location? ( I haven't gone through all the posts yet)
Sorry if confusing, i did say first post.
A vehicle would be the perfect answer to the ravine injuries as it easily explains Lyudmila's possible "two events". But of course there are other problems with a vehicle.
A slab slide is a good alternative and is the preferred explanation by many for the injuries only it didn't happen at the tent imo.
I have no problem with the bodies being transported 6m by "snow flow" and/or later meltwater although Vladimir Askenadzi who discovered Lyudmila with a probe has stated that they were just an arms length from the den floor, but i'm not sure the photos support his view.
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See my first post - https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150 (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=398.150)
I'm having a look Nigel. Interesting also. More than a bit of A4 though....
The drawing is on a side of A4 kewl1 (no translation required?) kewl1 kewl1
Sorry, Nigel. I wasn't sure what you meant by the A4. The link you gave didn't lead to the first page. But I've got it now.
I'm not sure about the tracked vehicle...if I understand correctly , your position of the bodies was initially in the den , then through time the bodies migrated to their found location? ( I haven't gone through all the posts yet)
Sorry if confusing, i did say first post.
A vehicle would be the perfect answer to the ravine injuries as it easily explains Lyudmila's possible "two events". But of course there are other problems with a vehicle.
A slab slide is a good alternative and is the preferred explanation by many for the injuries only it didn't happen at the tent imo.
I have no problem with the bodies being transported 6m by "snow flow" and/or later meltwater although Vladimir Askenadzi who discovered Lyudmila with a probe has stated that they were just an arms length from the den floor, but i'm not sure the photos support his view.
Not a problem Nigel. I think a tracked vehicle would have been witnessed by the local Mansi at some point. Plus I'm sure it would have left a lot of broken trees.
I would have thought the flooring of the den would have moved with body's though.
The arms length might mean a stone's throw or close to. Might be a translation issue. I agree about the photos not supporting the view of them being discovered at arms length.
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"I would have thought the flooring of the den would have moved with body's though. "
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Slab slides are caused by different layers moving relative to each other so it's very plausible that the bodies would travel but the floor didn't.
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They were found in May.. Springtime.
But you said they were digging in the Spring ! ?
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People think that there was a 2nd cave in the ravine.. I dont .
Was there a Cave ! ? Would they have had time to dig considering the state that they must have been in ! ?
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They were found in May.. Springtime.
But you said they were digging in the Spring ! ?
Yes.. it snowed between Feb. and May
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People think that there was a 2nd cave in the ravine.. I dont .
Was there a Cave ! ? Would they have had time to dig considering the state that they must have been in ! ?
Their hands are injured.. the entire bodies are scraped, bruised and abraded.. They worked. Doing what.. digging a shelter gathering wood
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People think that there was a 2nd cave in the ravine.. I dont .
Was there a Cave ! ? Would they have had time to dig considering the state that they must have been in ! ?
Their hands are injured.. the entire bodies are scraped, bruised and abraded.. They worked. Doing what.. digging a shelter gathering wood
Possible, but they may have gotten the injuries some other way.
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True, but, there is a division here..