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Theories Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dona on April 03, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
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Who cut up the clothing and why? They were freezing to death, yet they have clothing just lying around..cut in half and only one part taken.
Most puzzling of all is Zena's sweater with the cuff of the sleeve cut off.. Just the cuff.. Why would you do that..?
Would hypothermia cause them to do things like that??
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Nah. I dont think it was hypothermia.. They were oriented enough to know where the tent was and make an effort to go back.. The weren't delusional.
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I can imagine the cuff just getting caught by a branch and tearing
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Who cut up the clothing and why? They were freezing to death, yet they have clothing just lying around..cut in half and only one part taken.
Most puzzling of all is Zena's sweater with the cuff of the sleeve cut off.. Just the cuff.. Why would you do that..?
Would hypothermia cause them to do things like that??
How can we possibly know who cut up the clothing ! ? Or why ! ? I havent seen any Evidence to suggest why or by whom.
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Who cut up the clothing and why? They were freezing to death, yet they have clothing just lying around..cut in half and only one part taken.
Most puzzling of all is Zena's sweater with the cuff of the sleeve cut off.. Just the cuff.. Why would you do that..?
Would hypothermia cause them to do things like that??
How can we possibly know who cut up the clothing ! ? Or why ! ? I havent seen any Evidence to suggest why or by whom.
My guess is that Mansi might have been there before the investigators got to the scene. Mansi noticed them. And they made some changes on the corpses. Because 25 days is not less. If there is a Mansi settlement close to that area, it is very likely to find those corpses within 25 days. As I've already read, they found the tent with the help of Mansi. Because Mansi already knew their location. But they did not dare to explain what they knew. Because they were already under suspicion. And the fact that Mansi found the bodies before, explains many events. For example, the condition of lanterns and pieces of clothing on snow, and unexplained footprints, etc.
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I agree with you here... The Mansi are professional hunters and trackers and it took them over 2 months to find people just 200 feet away..Its not like they were 2 miles way..Its not believable.. Seems they they knew but didnt want to be obvious.. That doesnt mean they killed them but, someone was there. I mean look at Rustems body.. What the heck is his arm doing outstretched at a 45 degree angle like that.. Looks like someone grabbed his arm, flipped him over and just dropped his arm. Thats not the body position of someone freezing, arm outstretched like that.. Zena too. Her livor mortis is off as well... And they had to have been there very early on as the bodies had not frozen solid yet for them to do that.. And we have the leg warmer and Mansi strap at the scene...
I think the clothing was cut deliberately, to make it unusable. By whom, I dont know. And I do think they were hiding from someone as that fire should have been a lot bigger. They didnt want to be seen.
What was up with the lanterns? I havent heard anything about that??
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Nah. I dont think it was hypothermia.. They were oriented enough to know where the tent was and make an effort to go back.. The weren't delusional.
Were they headed back? why?.... Because three were found with heads towards uphill? If your walking downhill, stop, sit, lay down, and roll over.... is your head facing downhill?
Or are all these people doing it wrong?
https://images.app.goo.gl/33xnZnjouz2TigR9A
Same with the “single file tracks”. If I leave the tent 6 hours after you do and follow the same path downhill, would the tracks suggest we moved together at the same time?
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I agree.. Plus , they were facing up..originally..
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You say you are a murder theorist.. Who do you think murdered them?
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You say you are a murder theorist.. Who do you think murdered them?
Me?
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Uhhhh I dont think you are old enough..
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Uhhhh I dont think you are old enough..
Who are you asking Dona?
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YOU
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YOU
I don’t believe they were murdered.... that’s ridiculous. 🤨
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bang1 Yes, they were..
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I mean, just how many temple wounds does it take for you? Even Zena has a bruise to her outer eyebrow/cheek area..
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I mean, just how many temple wounds does it take for you? Even Zena has a bruise to her outer eyebrow/cheek area..
I would expect several if thrown about like a ragdoll buy natural events having nothing to do with..... murder.
Maybe even a twisted neck.
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And they all landed on the temples? And Rustem did it TWICE.. amazing..
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And it all happened without a single broken arm or leg. Truly amazing..
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And they all landed on the temples? And Rustem did it TWICE.. amazing..
Its fascinating to me how definitive you are based on.. simply having injuries. Perhaps contact the proper authorities and present them with your detailed analysis report in light of these new found revelations. 🤷🏼♂️
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They knew they were dying and didnt put another branch on the fire.. They had 6-7 lying right next to them..
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I'm asking ya.. would you have put another branch on that fire..
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I'm asking ya.. would you have put another branch on that fire..
Jebus.... you act as if it were a calm summers eve with stacks of seasoned wood on hand. What part of blizzard, exposed, wind, and dwindling resources is so hard to imagine. Hell, they done stripped all the dead branches on the cedar... you think water logged then frozen wood covered in snow burns like dry hay?? Just how far do you think its smart to venture away from said location in search of more dry branches still clinging to trees and not get lost... how do you know that in of itself didn’t happen hence the separation. I guess its not possible they seeked better protection from the elements in the ravine after having lost two individuals. ... 🤨🤨🤨
The murder theory lacks motive and more importantly disregards critical thinking based on emotion and simplicity.
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I agree with you here... The Mansi are professional hunters and trackers and it took them over 2 months to find people just 200 feet away..Its not like they were 2 miles way..Its not believable.. Seems they they knew but didnt want to be obvious.. That doesnt mean they killed them but, someone was there. I mean look at Rustems body.. What the heck is his arm doing outstretched at a 45 degree angle like that.. Looks like someone grabbed his arm, flipped him over and just dropped his arm. Thats not the body position of someone freezing, arm outstretched like that.. Zena too. Her livor mortis is off as well... And they had to have been there very early on as the bodies had not frozen solid yet for them to do that.. And we have the leg warmer and Mansi strap at the scene...
I think the clothing was cut deliberately, to make it unusable. By whom, I dont know. And I do think they were hiding from someone as that fire should have been a lot bigger. They didnt want to be seen.
What was up with the lanterns? I havent heard anything about that??
One of the lanterns was on the tent and was not covered with snow. This is very strange. The possibility of leaving the Lighthouse Mansi there is great. Because the Dytlov group is unlikely to take the lantern out of the tent and then drop it on the tent. And the other lantern was found 400 meters from the tent. So why would you take the lantern out of the tent and then throw it 400 meters away? You wouldn't take it with you on your way to the dark forest? Probably the Mansi messed up the tent and used lanterns as it was dark inside. Then they left one lantern on the tent and the other 400 meters away. Mansi know the area like the back of their hand and I think they are fearless hunters. I think the Mansi are not far from that area either. But since there were no footprints other than the youth, they found the youth long before February 26th. Sometime between 1-20 February. Snow covered the tracks for days. It is obvious that it was played with the corpses except Rüstem and Zina ... The Mansi did not kill them, but they found the young people long before and played with them. And maybe they know other things about the unknown Force. After all, it's the locals and they can know something.
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Oh you meant FLASHLIGHTS.. Yes, I knew about that.. Very odd the Igor would drop his coat too and not pick it up..
Yep, the locals know all thats going on..
What about the Komi Republic people.They were all right on their border.. Are they hunters too that might have been in the area? Do you know?
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Hunters..... on a baron mountain called “dont go there” specifically because there is no game there due to lack of vegetation. 😂
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Let me clarify then.. Nomadic people..
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Incidentally, I dont have a theory..still working thru the evidence..
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Let me clarify then.. Nomadic people..
Nomadic people.... on a baron mountain called “dont go there” specifically because there is no game there due to lack of vegetation.
Pinpointed them in the worst winter conditions imaginable barely able to see their hands in front of their face. 🤨
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Incidentally, I dont have a theory..still working thru the evidence..
Based on the posts i’ve read, your mind is made up and your cherry picking data to do so. Just sayin
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When I go to the store, I pass a church on the way. That doesnt mean I go to church..
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When I go to the store, I pass a church on the way. That doesnt mean I go to church..
Except the church isn’t named dont go there by the very people your implying went there.
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I didnt say they went there, to hunt or otherwise.. May have just been in the area.. passing by.. could be anything..tracking a lost deer etc.. going in to town or something..
Wern't the group following Mansi ski tracks for a while? Yep
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The searchers also followed Mansi ski tracks for while.
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On the mountain.... nope. They were no longer on any mansi trail.
It all started at the tent. On that night under those conditions, the only thing that could have pinpointed their location was thermal imaging aircraft. It didn’t happen.
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Unless you followed the groups ski tracks.. lol4
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...or someone was expecting you.. Igor did not file a "flight path" and he veered from the one he said he was taking.. and camped, right out there, in the open..How could you miss them?
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I would invite you to study this image once again and tell me this was some kinda meeting place.
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I didnt say they went there, to hunt or otherwise.. May have just been in the area.. passing by.. could be anything..tracking a lost deer etc.. going in to town or something..
Wern't the group following Mansi ski tracks for a while? Yep
Unusual events lasted for days in and around the Mount of the Dead. Spherical bodies of orange color were seen. And celestial events like this ... And events that we do not observe, but that the Mansi observed. Probably the Mansi saw these and went there. Mansi were brave and inquisitive. And they found the tent and then the other corpses .....
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Thats as good as any meeting place, given the circumstances..
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I didnt say they went there, to hunt or otherwise.. May have just been in the area.. passing by.. could be anything..tracking a lost deer etc.. going in to town or something..
Wern't the group following Mansi ski tracks for a while? Yep
Unusual events lasted for days in and around the Mount of the Dead. Spherical bodies of orange color were seen. And celestial events like this ... And events that we do not observe, but that the Mansi observed. Probably the Mansi saw these and went there. Mansi were brave and inquisitive. And they found the tent and then the other corpses .....
Possibly... as good a reason as any..
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I would THINK, it would be easier for the CIA to get there thru Komi Republic than going thru USSR..
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I would invite you to study this image once again and tell me this was some kinda meeting place.
Let me guess... Hmmm.. You are one of those anti-gravity theorist..??
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Thats as good as any meeting place, given the circumstances..
bigjoke
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I would invite you to study this image once again and tell me this was some kinda meeting place.
Let me guess... Hmmm.. You are one of those anti-gravity theorist..??
More of a common sense realist actually. nose1
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It doesnt seem like that... How realist is it to think they froze to death oer a Yeti..Aliens or a non existent avalanche.. or magi winds etc..ufo's..
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I would THINK, it would be easier for the CIA to get there thru Komi Republic than going thru USSR..
My step mother grew up not too far from the incident.... In those days, americans were blamed for everything and visa versa. Some things never change.
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It doesnt seem like that... How realist is it to think they froze to death oer a Yeti..Aliens or a non existent avalanche.. or magi winds etc..ufo's..
Welp, some of them DID die from exposure. I don’t subscribe to the others you list, however a slab slide isn’t far fetched. Its one of those real things that happen... usually sending you running for your life iffin ya catch my drift.
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Except that nothing was crushed except the heads and ribs.. Another amazing event!
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Of curse you will have to throw in the anti-gravity theory to get Simon, Luda, Alex and Nick to the ravine
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When I read stories about people gone missing in the wild and found dead... there is alway a chain of unfortunate events that took place leading to a tragic outcome.
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Yeah. most screw ups happen that way..no one single thing but many..
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But you are talking bout a comedy of errors from these intelligent, disciplined experienced hikers.. who would have all had to blunder their way thru this..
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But you are talking bout a comedy of errors from these intelligent, disciplined experienced hikers.. who would have all had to blunder their way thru this..
Mostly fearless kids with a side order of mother nature and naturally occurring events. 🤷🏼♂️
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And which of those stopped them from putting another branch or 2 or 6 on the fire?
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And which of those stopped them from putting another branch or 2 or 6 on the fire?
Mother nature
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Howz that?
Or cut up warm clothing and the cuff off a sweater?
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Howz that?
Or cut up warm clothing and the cuff off a sweater?
Again... in those miserable conditions with hypothermia setting in with fingers not cooperating, its a miracle they started a fire at all yet alone sustaining it. Everything on the ground would be soaked to the core with water. Your only option is to break off dead and dry limbs from sizable trees. They did that some meters up into that cedar. At some point, your looking for an alternative means of shelter after two comrades die.
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They werent hypodermic when the started the fire.. They had cut branches, climbed the tree etc. They would have put many branches on the fire from the start.. And if they had the wherewithal to create a den, they would have had the wherewithal to pick up another branch.
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They werent hypodermic when the started the fire.. They had cut branches, climbed the tree etc. They would have put many branches on the fire from the start.. And if they had the wherewithal to create a den, they would have had the wherewithal to pick up another branch.
Again, you act as if there was an abundance of dry wood stacked for their plucking. I would say if your half dressed with no shoes in negative zero conditions.... your hypothermic.
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Wood doesnt have to be dry to burn... forest burn down every day. and all the more reason to put more of it on the fire at once.. And branches 15 foot up arent dead..
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Anyone else in favor of taking Dona to the DP stripped half naked with no shoes surrounded by wet wood in whiteout conditions and tell her “just put another sick on the fire and you’ll be fine..... say ‘I’
I! 😂
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They didnt want to fire to be seen..by something with eyes... animals would run from fire.. Who or what does that leave?
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Show of hands please from anyone who would freeze to death, slowly for hours, rather then face a slab slide that would have bene over in 5 minutes.
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Wood doesnt have to be dry to burn... forest burn down every day. and all the more reason to put more of it on the fire at once.. And branches 15 foot up arent dead..
It takes a shitload of heat and bed of coals to dry out water logged wood.
Then how did they just snap off said live branches the diameter of your arm? I call major BS
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Show of hands please from anyone who would freeze to death, slowly for hours, rather then face a slab slide that would have bene over in 5 minutes.
Slab already happened... hence why they are at the cedar. bang1
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Soooo if the slab slide is over..2 hours ago.. what are they waiting for?
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Fire fixes that pretty quick.. They never even made the effort.. There should have been 5 branches, unburned on the fire then.. There was nothin'
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And tree branches aren't water logged from frozen snow,, You make it sound like they pulled them from the ocean..
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Fire fixes that pretty quick.. They never even made the effort.. There should have been 5 branches, unburned on the fire then.. There was nothin'
Actually, when found... there was a water soaked log with one end stuck in the fire. Didn’t work so well apparently.
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False.. I've seen the picture.. sakes.. neg1
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And tree branches aren't water logged from frozen snow,, You make it sound like they pulled them from the ocean..
Im guessing you haven’t much experience burning wet and frozen wood in whiteout conditions half naked in sub zero temps. For your tryouts... we’ll give you three injured friends to save in the process. 😂
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False.. I've seen the picture.. sakes.. neg1
Read the case files again, look at pics... again. Then lose the theory bias.
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Sooo you are relegated to the "Shrooms" theory now. Just how many do you have to incorporate to get things to work out for you?
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A 2 minute slab slide and they all die hours later..frozen to death Thats what ya got?
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I just found a more cooperative wall to speak with....
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Well, you're not making any sense, dude..
If it was a slab slide, they would have noticed it.. 50 feet out and they all would have laughed and laughed..
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Well, at least the bread was saved.. whew!
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Who cut up the clothing and why? They were freezing to death, yet they have clothing just lying around..cut in half and only one part taken.
Most puzzling of all is Zena's sweater with the cuff of the sleeve cut off.. Just the cuff.. Why would you do that..?
Would hypothermia cause them to do things like that??
How can we possibly know who cut up the clothing ! ? Or why ! ? I havent seen any Evidence to suggest why or by whom.
Thats why this is called the discussion board..Lets discuss it..Maybe someone has ideas on it..
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Seriously?
Never have I sated that I subscribe to the avalanche/slab-slide theory, I simply gave you one of MANY circumstances in which may or may not have happened in which blow a massive hole in your attempt to push an ‘I know everything’ murder bias. You blatantly disregard facts and refuse to acknowledge others. You are no fire forensic specialist, no survivalist, no pathologist etc.... you just play one on the internet with definitive claims as if you hold some executive insight. You make statements of an authoritative demeanor without backing it up with any substantial or even elementary level explanations of thought process and reasoning. Its a ‘Dona says this... now obey or be patronized’.
Im not making sense.... No YOU, are willfully playing ignorant to anything anyone says because you lost an open mind before you even came to the conversation.
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Who cut up the clothing and why? They were freezing to death, yet they have clothing just lying around..cut in half and only one part taken.
Most puzzling of all is Zena's sweater with the cuff of the sleeve cut off.. Just the cuff.. Why would you do that..?
Would hypothermia cause them to do things like that??
How can we possibly know who cut up the clothing ! ? Or why ! ? I havent seen any Evidence to suggest why or by whom.
My guess is that Mansi might have been there before the investigators got to the scene. Mansi noticed them. And they made some changes on the corpses. Because 25 days is not less. If there is a Mansi settlement close to that area, it is very likely to find those corpses within 25 days. As I've already read, they found the tent with the help of Mansi. Because Mansi already knew their location. But they did not dare to explain what they knew. Because they were already under suspicion. And the fact that Mansi found the bodies before, explains many events. For example, the condition of lanterns and pieces of clothing on snow, and unexplained footprints, etc.
Its definitely a possibility that the Mansi did come across the bodies of the Dyatlov Group. And its definitely a possibility that they were too scared to say any thing.
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Whats your theory?
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And, btw, a typical day here goes like this..
I think it was a wolverine.. Cant be, they would have killed it..
I think it was Yeti,, Cant be, that picture is a Nick selfie..
I think it was an avalanche.. Cant be the tent was still standing
I think you dont like it when that comes your way
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Telling me how a typical day on a forum goes in which I created = priceless.
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I would THINK, it would be easier for the CIA to get there thru Komi Republic than going thru USSR..
A remark on geography/history: In 1959, the Komi Republic would have been the Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komi_Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republic), which was part of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic), which was...the largest soviet socialist republic in the USSR.
Today, the Komi Republic is part of the Russian Federation.
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Telling me how a typical day on a forum goes in which I created = priceless.
Well my guess then would be that you arent used to being critiqued. Lets test THAT theory
Anyone have an opinion against the Slab Theory..
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I would THINK, it would be easier for the CIA to get there thru Komi Republic than going thru USSR..
A remark on geography/history: In 1959, the Komi Republic would have been the Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komi_Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republic), which was part of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic), which was...the largest soviet socialist republic in the USSR.
Today, the Komi Republic is part of the Russian Federation.
Thanks RMK.. I looked it up too..
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The stalking murders were obsessed with making a new fashion statement as their signature hallmark.
1959... they were way ahead of their time.
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It cant be... They left everything behind.
See how that goes?
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Its definitely a possibility that the Mansi did come across the bodies of the Dyatlov Group. And its definitely a possibility that they were too scared to say any thing.
Yes and they not only followed a Mansi trail.. they walked by a Mansi hut next to Auspiya.
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Yeah.. and the government seemed to know about it weeks before they were overdue..Someone must have told them.
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So the Mansi find them, ski over to the nearest police station 100km away, then the authorities decide to just ignore the report? Or, they send a team to the pass, recover some of the bodies to the morgue, where they are prepared for a funeral... and then due to some mysterious reason decide to put them back on helicopters (no longer in a frozen state), and drop them back off in the mountains?
And the Mansi decide not to speak about finding the bodies again even though weeks before they went into town to file a report? Hmm..
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I dont know.. Someone must have told them.. They knew way too early..
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None of it makes sense, does anyone know how long the RAV 4 even survived? You can literally argue anything and bend the facts to whatever you want to prove. But I do have a question, is there any consensus on when they last ate? The first 5 died 6-8 after their last meal, so when did they eat last? Lunch, Dinner or breakfast?
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We dont know long any of them survived, really.. They had different wounds and probably died at different times.. depending on what exactly happened to them. I would think they ate last around 6-7 PM.. The group diary says they started to look for a place to pitch the tent around 4 PM.. So, they probably stopped shortly after that.. Maybe 4:30 5 PM.. Pitched tent and cooked dinner so.. I would say between 6-7 PM
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None of it makes sense, does anyone know how long the RAV 4 even survived? You can literally argue anything and bend the facts to whatever you want to prove. But I do have a question, is there any consensus on when they last ate? The first 5 died 6-8 after their last meal, so when did they eat last? Lunch, Dinner or breakfast?
It is widely believed that they had dinner in the tent before the incident, or were at least in the process of getting dinner. There was pork loin found in the tent, as well as grains from biscuits or crackers. Because the timeframe is still debated, we don't know for certain what time this took place. If we go by Ivanov's assessments, the tent was constructed in early evening and they would have been fully in the tent preparing for night around 7-8 pm. The sunset at roughly 5:30 that day, with onset of darkness in half an hour, I believe. Setting up camp could take upwards of an hour to an hour and a half.
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Young people did Lapaz that day. This exhausted them a lot. And they ate. This was afternoon. After that, things get messed up. Because normally they would have to go through the Dytlov pass and camp in the forest. But something happened and they camped on the mountainside. Or they did Lapaz starting from 9 o'clock until 12 o'clock. Then they ate and rested until 1 or 2 o'clock. It had 2-3 hours to get dark. Something unusual must have happened during this 2-3 hour period. And they camped not in the forest, but on the mountain slope. Because the area between Lapaz and tent is only 2 km. Why are 9 smart and experienced young people not camping next to Lapaz, but only 2 km ahead and camping on the mountainside ??? There is no answer to this !!! So their first target for camping was definitely not on the mountain slope
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Food was found in the tent but I have read that only one of the "loin" pieces was eaten, the others were intact. Likewise "rusks" were found but maybe they didn't start eating them. And remains of dried / frozen porridge in a mug, which might be from a previous day and they just didn't clean the mug yet.
So it is possible that they didn't eat in the tent on the slope, only prepared to. And then their last meal 6-8 hours before would have been down in the Auspiya valley, perhaps breakfast or lunch. So we don't know. Likewise with the time their watches stopped, we don't know if it's AM or PM. The whole incident is often assumed to have happened in the dark, after they had dinner in the tent.
I think it's equally likely to have happened in daylight...
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Young people did Lapaz that day. This exhausted them a lot. And they ate. This was afternoon. After that, things get messed up. Because normally they would have to go through the Dytlov pass and camp in the forest. But something happened and they camped on the mountainside. Or they did Lapaz starting from 9 o'clock until 12 o'clock. Then they ate and rested until 1 or 2 o'clock. It had 2-3 hours to get dark. Something unusual must have happened during this 2-3 hour period. And they camped not in the forest, but on the mountain slope. Because the area between Lapaz and tent is only 2 km. Why are 9 smart and experienced young people not camping next to Lapaz, but only 2 km ahead and camping on the mountainside ??? There is no answer to this !!! So their first target for camping was definitely not on the mountain slope
I think they would have used up any daylight that was left.. and I think the route back wasnt the same route they took.. so maybe its where it is because of that..
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I think it's equally likely to have happened in daylight...
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On the 31st. the group diary has an entry saying dinner was ready in the tent.. So, I think they did eat around that time..
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None of it makes sense, does anyone know how long the RAV 4 even survived? You can literally argue anything and bend the facts to whatever you want to prove. But I do have a question, is there any consensus on when they last ate? The first 5 died 6-8 after their last meal, so when did they eat last? Lunch, Dinner or breakfast?
Something to possibly consider. The Rav 4 had various pieces of clothing that had been cut from Doroshenko and Krivonischenko. Doroshenko's livor mortis was fixed on his back side, and he had been turned face up when the clothing was cut off. Livor mortis becomes fixed approximately 6 hours after death, a little more slowly in freezing temperatures. This does indicate that the Rav 4 were alive at the very least, 6 hours after the death of Doroshenko.
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Food was found in the tent but I have read that only one of the "loin" pieces was eaten, the others were intact. Likewise "rusks" were found but maybe they didn't start eating them. And remains of dried / frozen porridge in a mug, which might be from a previous day and they just didn't clean the mug yet.
So it is possible that they didn't eat in the tent on the slope, only prepared to. And then their last meal 6-8 hours before would have been down in the Auspiya valley, perhaps breakfast or lunch. So we don't know. Likewise with the time their watches stopped, we don't know if it's AM or PM. The whole incident is often assumed to have happened in the dark, after they had dinner in the tent.
I think it's equally likely to have happened in daylight...
If it was daytime, the air temperature would be above 0 degrees. They were not going to do a lot of work to make a fire near the cedar tree. And they wouldn't dig a cave in the snow to protect themselves from the cold. And most importantly, they wouldn't be in a hurry to get back to the tent. All this shows that it is not the day but the night. And very likely they had enough time after the Lapaz and the meal. Why would they use this time on a cold windy mountain slope just 2 km away ??? If they have time, they can go down to the forest. If they don't have time, then they stay with Lapaz.
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If it was daytime, the air temperature would be above 0 degrees. They were not going to do a lot of work to make a fire near the cedar tree. And they wouldn't dig a cave in the snow to protect themselves from the cold. And most importantly, they wouldn't be in a hurry to get back to the tent. All this shows that it is not the day but the night. And very likely they had enough time after the Lapaz and the meal. Why would they use this time on a cold windy mountain slope just 2 km away ??? If they have time, they can go down to the forest. If they don't have time, then they stay with Lapaz.
Well this is from their diary on 30.Jan:
Weather: temperature in the morning - 17 С
day - 13 С
night - 26 С.
And it probably only got colder the next day. So unless you mean Fahrenheît it was below zero during daytime too.
By the way, did they have a thermometer? The temperatures they recorded seem accurate. Current averages for January in Ivdel are -14C (day) to -24C (night).
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...Why would they use this time on a cold windy mountain slope just 2 km away ??? If they have time, they can go down to the forest. If they don't have time, then they stay with Lapaz.
Not sure exactly what you are asking, but from what I understand, they took the wrong route after setting up the Lapaz, so it took longer than expected. Also, the plan apparently was to spend that night without doing too much work, including using the stove, so that they could quickly ski down the slope in the morning. Going to the Lapaz that night (let's assume the tent was at risk of collapsing and they secured it, and now they need to go somewhere) makes no sense, because they have plenty of matches and going to the tree line is much easier (and they apparently thought it would be relatively easy to survive with a fire and "den" there). They could have taken their blankets with them to the tree line, even if their boots and heavy coats were frozen, so the key thing is that it was a bad plan, which is certainly not especially unusual in these kinds of situations.
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When the young people were in Lapaz, if they had enough time, they would go to the forest and set up camp. If they did not have enough time, they would have to stay in Lapaz and camp there. Why would they leave Lapaz and camp on the cold windy mountain slope just 2 km away? There can be only one reason. Sudden weather change. And suddenly it gets dark. They had to camp where they had to. But smart and experienced 9 young people should not have caught such a mistake.
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If it was daytime, the air temperature would be above 0 degrees. They were not going to do a lot of work to make a fire near the cedar tree. And they wouldn't dig a cave in the snow to protect themselves from the cold. And most importantly, they wouldn't be in a hurry to get back to the tent. All this shows that it is not the day but the night. And very likely they had enough time after the Lapaz and the meal. Why would they use this time on a cold windy mountain slope just 2 km away ??? If they have time, they can go down to the forest. If they don't have time, then they stay with Lapaz.
Well this is from their diary on 30.Jan:
Weather: temperature in the morning - 17 С
day - 13 С
night - 26 С.
And it probably only got colder the next day. So unless you mean Fahrenheît it was below zero during daytime too.
By the way, did they have a thermometer? The temperatures they recorded seem accurate. Current averages for January in Ivdel are -14C (day) to -24C (night).
I understand. But they had set up the tent for the night and it must have happened late in the evening or after dark. Since the construction of the tent took about 1 hour, it was probably dark after the tent was built. In other words, the event was definitely at night, in the evening .... 2-3 hours later deaths must have occurred ....
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Could be.. in that case their last meal would have been lunch, probably at the labaz. Reasonable.
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Its definitely a possibility that the Mansi did come across the bodies of the Dyatlov Group. And its definitely a possibility that they were too scared to say any thing.
Yes and they not only followed a Mansi trail.. they walked by a Mansi hut next to Auspiya.
Yes often overlooked but may have significance beyond its mere mentioning. Reason = It means that the Dyatlov Group were not alone on their expedition. The Mansi were near. Any Military Incidents would probably have been noticed by them. Any strange Lights in the Sky would also have probably been noticed by them. And lets not forget the Menk.
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Maybe... Maybe Zena and Igor took the clothing off the dead for the injured that they were caring for.. Cut them up to distribute to them.. then realized they were dead and dying..then maybe headed for the tent..
I think the RAV4 were injured very early on.. Their hands are all too clean.. they didnt gather wood, climb a tree or do any digging.. etc..
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And Alex stayed with the injured and died when Igor and Zena, Rustem never came back,