Almost ONE year later and MY GOODNESS!!!
So much to catch up on!
Teddy, you were my first reply, so I start with you... and thank you for a nice welcome...
I read your dissertation at https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=96.0
... VERY NICE! It goes along with pretty much what I was trying to convey. My belief is that it was an ATTACK, right out of the blue and nobody in the Dyatlov party expected it.
As to Dubinina, Zolotaryov and Thibeaux-Brignolle, I believe that they were hurt pretty bad, but were able to be marched down the hill to the ravine. From that area the broke formation to look for help and were found and beaten to the point that there would be no survival. Many were found months afterward and I don't think a coroner could say exactly when they died. I think many injuries were COMPLETED after they broke from each other at the ravine area (tree).
MDGross, Although it is speculation, and ELVIS may be involved, I would NOT discount your idea that the KGB was involved. Many in the party did work for a nuclear technology facility in college and DID trade up radiated clothes for others to stay warm in their trek to find help. Marched down the hill is what they did, not single file but NEXT to each other. Reports do say there were boot prints in the area, even on the way down the hill. The tracks also suggest that they were NOT running. They walked.
Nigel, I LOVE your posts but I disagree, they DID NOT RUN. Even though the tracks in the snow were old and weatherbeaten, experts there state that there were NO footfall tendencies to show they "RAN' down the hill. They walked calmly. I think they were MARCHED down and their attackers broke off pursuit after a bit of time to corner them again at the bottom of the hill in the ravine area.
StarMan, you are correct. If they were NOT attacked, why would there not be commotion all over? They were SUBDUED into what was told of them to do.
Sarapuk, you do post a lot here and you have some interesting ideas you have put forth, NONE can be discounted. BUT... I don't think there was a fight between the party. The gals were well established (and may have had sights on other guys that were not there) and the guys there didn't really have sights on them. If so, the diaries the gals kept would have shown this. (gals love to yap about guys they like in their diaries) Although they may have been attractive, I think the guys there accepted them as "equals" to a certain extent and accepted them as such. Of course, there is no way to be completely sure, but girls will be girls...
Jean Daniel Reuss,, while I have NOT investigated all you say, it is NOT impossible that there were OTHER factions at play here. The Soviet empire was gaining ground at that time with nuclear technology. What better way to grab up a bunch of "kids" who were on vacation (and know about nuclear technology) and push and threaten Moscow? It certainly is NOT out of the realm of possibility. I like your idea but this was too LOCAL. A bunch of kids that know more than ANYBODY else how to survive in below zero extremities? Most of them could tell NOTHING about nuclear plans. They could tell you more about how to lay skis under a tent than give up nuke technology. This can be debated, but hey, why not go after the big HONCHOS outside of a facility?
I have to admit, it is very possible though as to your post as to what happened during that time.
hoosiergose? the idea of Occam’s Razor principle is COMPLETELY in effect, but NOT entirely. In theory, YES. The problem is that as this works in MOST cases, where the easiest, most simple idea is what happened, it doesn't work here because there are too many variables. The tent was still intact, dinner was still on the floor, sweaty clothes and boots were removed to dry, warm people in a canvas tent means warmth in the tent, the back door was found CLOSED, the cuts in the tent occurred from INSIDE and almost EVERYONE was found without proper clothing to sustain themselves in such weather. This shows that this was NOT normal. The SIMPLEST explanation cannot work with this scenario.
RidgeWatcher... In EXCELLENT point. Semyon was the odd man out, even JUST because of his age. He had contacts for sure in any Soviet enclave, and I do think he had something to do with what happened. I also think he was EXPENDABLE. If I remember correctly, he had a camera, and it was never found. Please correct me if I am wrong. He was found near Dubinina who was very vocal on many things, and her tongue was removed. I think this is very important and investigating Semyon could prove very informative. Sadly, he is kinda like a GHOST in this. a NowhereMan.
Frankie, love ya! But you can be wrong sometimes. I'm very sorry... With superficial wounds, even with a broken hip or even a broken ankle, or even broken ribs, it IS possible to survive, walk, do what is needed for a mile at least if you are in good shape. These kids were in better shape than most of us. Many of us can continue on in pain if our lives depended on it. Staying together? Most were in such bad sorts that others in better condition decided to break away to find help. The Tree? Those there were in pretty bad condition. They started a fire to keep them warm and moved on to find help. That's where the clothes exchange happened. Those that went looking for help were given the best clothes possible to venture on. An internal disagreement probably NEVER happened. They were friends, except for one, but that ONE would have been shot down quickly.
Sparrow, as far as I know, there would NOT have been any disagreements. Matter of fact, they KNEW what they were doing and would have followed protocols to remain WITHOUT disagreements. Although they were young, they could be considered EXPERTS in this field.
Georgi, You are correct on your last point. At gunpoint, you do as you are told. No knife is going to save you unless you have an edge, no pun intended. And again, what you are saying is complete speculation, that there was a fight between themselves. I contend there was NO fight between themselves because THEY ALL DID NOT RUN DOWN THE HILL VOLUNTARILY. All of them. And another thing, THEY DID NOT RUN. They WALKED.
Eurocentric, you proclaim a tornado, but this is impossible. If true, the frozen tracks leading down the hill would have been covered up. Also, the tent, as Sarapuk mentioned, would have been swept away. Sorry, no tornado, no way.
Squatch has the theory that most people think happened, but the grade of the hill does not support this idea. These people were EXPERTS at what they have done before. If they thought it was a problem, they would have pitched their tent much higher up the hill. The grade was negligible and posed no problem. Even the investigators came to a complete agreement.
marieuk- what happened was they were WALKED down side by side. Footprints proved this. Nine side by side. NOT single file.
As I go through, I am noticing Georgi has changed his ideals a bit. He is beginning to realize that what he was saying before was impossible...
My Complete Analysis?
I stick to my original story.
Teddy has things not completely right, but the gist of it is there. Teddy has EXTENSIVE research here and I am STILL going through it. NOBODY can completely explain what happened but if you follow the clues, you WILL get to the point of what actually happened. There was no UFO's. There was no Yeti. There was no Loch Ness Monster. This was nothing more than a band of ruthless COMMUNIST thugs who decided to attack the COMMUNIST party.
We ALL know what pretty much what happened. Matter of fact, all the clues are there.
Funny, they did this against a few kids on vacation. What was the REAL reason? We don't know because, as the former Soviet Union, they don't need to explain themselves.
Thank you for your attention.