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Footprints
CalzagheChick:
--- Quote from: hanno on April 21, 2018, 02:52:52 PM ---I have a further question. I have now read a lot of times, that the hikers left the tent and then or later stood in a row. Some people use this hint to argue that they were forced from other human to leave the tent. For example collect them in a row and then force them to match down the slope. But I can't see this in the footprint photos.
So first question: Where is this fact (if it is a fact) coming from? Someone must have told this because it is not seen in the photos.
Second question: If they would have stood in a row, in which direction did they stand? Towards the tent, towards the slope or another direction?
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Wow I have never come across anything that's ever asserted that the group stood in a row. I've always read the same thing over and over again: they cut the tent from the inside outward and marched down the slope pretty orderly.
Now sometimes I'll come across a person that types up their synopsis of the story and they say that the group cut the tent from the inside out and scattered, but I know from the actual documents and evidence that there was no scattering in all directions. I think that's just a case of embellishing on an already crazy case. Some of the less-scientifically inclined tend to let their excitement for the strangeness of the facts run away with their imagination. I don't think it's malicious misinformation or anything like that.
Per Inge Oestmoen:
--- Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on March 12, 2018, 06:02:47 PM ---I think the footprints they documented were 'pillar' type prints that were compressed at the time they were made and later wind swept away the surrounding loose snow. For the most part, it should have been easy to identify old vs new tracks.
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Yes, you are absolutely correct.
Also, the very formation of these "pillar" type footprints gives significant information about the wind conditions at the time when these footprints were made. This is very important to note, because it has been proposed that sound phenomena caused by strong winds scared the Dyatlov group of from the tent. However, it cannot be so because there was no such strong wind in the area on the night of February 1, 1959.
To illustrate that point, I will quote from Svetlana Oss' "Don't go there":
"Modern experts say that the formation of specific footprints (raised columns) observed on the slope could only have been possible if the wind had not exceeded 3-4 m/s (6.84 mph). There were several experiments done on the slope in 2013, performed under different wind and temperature conditions. They were sponsored by the Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda. The footprints mentioned could have formed under different temperature conditions, but only if there had been a snowfall that put at least 7 inches of fresh snow upon an older, firmer layer of snow underneath. It took approximately 15-17 hours for those raised footprints to form. Folks were walking and running in their socks and there were also rescue team members who walked around in their boots. Both left these raised footprints. But in less than a day they were obscured by the wind, which was 15-18 m/s (33-40 mph). There are many factors involved in their preservation, such as the sun, the wind and the temperature. As Brutsnitsyn earlier testified for the criminal case, some of these footprints can stay visible for the whole winter."
And significantly:
"The fact that the Dyatlov team's raised footprints were well preserved after almost a month suggests that the winds permitted sufficient time for them to get firm due to insulation and subsequent freezing. So the wind couldn't have been more than 3-4 m/s, which only confirms the weather report Lev Ivanov used. So we can be confident that from 17:00 to 24:00 local time on February 1 the winds were within 3-5 m/s. Thus there was no tornado-like vortex, and the shape of the landscape itself was not enough to create this odd sound effect."
(Quotations are from Svetlana Oss: "Don't go there," pages 113-114)
That is why these footprints are so important.
Loose}{Cannon:
I personally do not believe that the footprints give much indication of wind speed at the time of creation.
Marchesk:
--- Quote from: CalzagheChick on April 25, 2018, 04:41:21 PM ---Wow I have never come across anything that's ever asserted that the group stood in a row. I've always read the same thing over and over again: they cut the tent from the inside outward and marched down the slope pretty orderly.
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Both Svetlana Oss and Clark Williams says they stood outside the tent for a bit before heading off. The one thing is I don't know what evidence there is for this, other than it makes sense of them marching down the sloper in an orderly fashion. If they cut their way out of the tent in order to flee an imminent danger, then one would expect a more chaotic pattern of footprints. How would they have decided as a group to head in one direction if they're fleeing immediate danger?
Loose}{Cannon:
Perhaps they never sliced their way out of the tent to begin with.
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