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sharp55:
I think we can rule out chemical explosions as well as rocket explosions and for that matter any type of artillery and or bomb burst from what I did read of the forensics those theories do not hold water and with my artillery experience I do not see or have read of any evidence that suggests such. Even an air burst leaves considerable evidence that would indicate such. Having also had cracked ribs in my lifetime wrestling it is not necessary to have bruises shown in the exterior that is false my broken ribs did not come from blows from the outside but as I maneuvered breaking the hold it occurred so it is not a given the ribs came from a blow from the outside. What does puzzle me is the fact they all apparently marched down to the woods which seems to indicate too me they were led down. Although there is no foot print evidence but seeing as this was covered up any investigation of the surrounding area either did not occur or were hushed up take your pick of the two. However one thing is for sure the forensics or might I add lack of forensics make this tragic event the more puzzling. My take on this that this is a cold case murder  that needs to be thoroughly examined as much as possible.
One thing hard for me to imagine is how an expedition can be taken by anyone not armed, (of course am not familiar with the Russian customs other than even today they have strict laws of gun ownership I know this from my Russian friends having visited from time to time over the years) I have lived in the Pacific mountains a good length of time so am familiar with hunting as will as survival techniques. Going into the mountains even in the winter is risky let alone unarmed there is a difference from being a long distance snow skier for the sport as compared from one whom knows those mountains etc like the Mansi so to speak. I think that the answer must lie in the who could have and why? I do not know how they are called in Russia but in America we would suggest poachers, the locals or the military I think one of these three are the guilty parties in this crime.

On the smoking stove bit the tent would have shown substantial evidence of this as will as the immediate area around the tent and for instance you have to ask yourself why did they venture that far away from the tent had this had been the case it just does not add up.On Big foot or Yeti please!!! or for that matter the UFO's (seems like that belief system/religion always comes into play) I think it is more feasible to stick with the real world theories other than fantastic out of this world assumptions. I think we are dealing with multiple homicides on the fate of the Dyatlov pass tragedy nothing more even if it was accidental it became a crime when they covered up their tracks so to speak.   

sharp55:
One main point in my mind that I never see mentioned is the fact that in Russia you pretty much need permission to travel around these areas or for that fact moving anywhere in Russia Prapiska's (probably spelled that wrong) come to mind. The Dyatlov sporting expedition no doubt received the necessary permission to be in those mountains. If so to speak a group unknown perhaps hunters, poachers or any other illegal type of practice were in that area and seen by the group (the 9 in question) it is not far fetched that perhaps the motive to murder was more an option than a risk of being told about. Now the perpetrators in this case would have been I think older adults and having gone through the Stalin purges it is not too hard to come up with an motive. The whole mystery about this tragedy is the way they were found and the unbelievable story or official story that was told it simply makes no sense at all, but if you factor in they were more than likely forced down to the woods and then murdered one by one and in different locales then the story becomes plausible.
What is not plausible is that the group simply decided for reasons unknown the casually walk down as a group in no hurry towards the woods without proper clothing or supplies I do not see them as heavens gate individuals on a suicidal pact. On the other hand one thing is a fact they were unarmed for the most part, they were young except for one. While the human mind can fantasize a lot (one of the down sides of free will from the biblical perspective) and there are so many fantastic theories but I agree with the author of this web site and and Svetlana (as heard both speak via podcasts and like to thank both for clearing up a lot of information about this case) but not necessarily in the order I think both are on the right path with exception it does not take Hercules to inflict the type of wounds that occurred on all victims. I would also be willing to bet that the experts that say they died from the extreme weather if asked is it possible they are wrong and the bodies do show signs of foul play I would bet they would also concede to the fact it could also be demonstrated they were murdered and simply not just hypothermia.

The whole mess is the cover up by the Russian government, but not out of the realm of thinking the area has top secret military installations at that time and maybe even today and any thorough investigation would have to include inspecting the surrounding areas for evidence of another party being in that locale at the same time as the tragedy occurred. I think they did not want any outside agency(militia) or folks poking around so the cover up and explanation solves this. No investigation, no prodding around an area the Soviet military and government wants secret and under wrap. It is also possible the military did find the bodies and site first am sure they had routine patrols in the area. It is also likely they covered up tracks as well (not out of reason to think so). What touches me a bit and must be getting more sentimental as I get older are the birth dates of some of these students they are born basically the same time as my mother and father that hits close to home for me as I think about the families they could have raised and should have had the opportunity to do so is so tragic to write the least and I hope someone solves this case.

xian06:
From Hungarian forum:

I think it is worth returning to the 2nd spot (the rocket of the missile with the stabilizers), at least for a comment.

http://kepkezelo.com/images/5hs7kbclh9lnuvmdd480.jpg

Here, on a real structure, we present the suspected breaking-break lines of the wreck:

http://kepkezelo.com/images/9t8z6pmyrzfsy1jn1lqo.jpg

Only this scum can only be enough to prove that a real (R5) rocket structure has blown away from the Gyatlovek, the 2nd wreck contains many details that make it probable (that is, it would be difficult to mistake to mistake a similar object) , or at least the statistical probability of doing so is that they could shoot an unknown object of that shape that night. Contrary to the unknown sheet metal found on the pass (which I would accept as the 8th wreckage), on this 2nd element I will try to prove my explanations so far, because I see a chance. Let's look at these details:

In the enclosed drawings I have described in detail enough how the location of this wreckage can be imagined of the entire trunk structure, but here, in this scorching, it is interesting not only to break similarities between the panels, but also to see a very characteristic pattern (silhouette). the element that is in close contact with the rocket control mechanism and perhaps reinforces my LOX leakage.

On the lower part of the wreck, the small protruding protrusions are probably the remnants of a gas drifting wing, (there are more technical solutions in this genre, the Russians took over the structure of the Nazi rocket scientists in their own R5 missile, the notorious German V2 pattern), and this silhouette could be fairly telling rocket explosion:

http://kepkezelo.com/images/v85sikenerj3hxqxfym0.jpg

For the sake of better visibility, I've also copied an original collection so that we can feel this rotatable structure "body-closer", and if I could make another comment, I would also like to look at the shape and the roundness of the edges of the parts of the rocket, the images of the scratches 5 and 6 (retaining bits) that were analyzed previously would be back in these.

http://kepkezelo.com/images/8l3cxfe31fogxdifo10x.jpg

The gas flaps are made of very high heat-resistant material, graphite (graphite does not melt to about 3500 ° C), and the structure is capable of correcting the direction of the missile by moving the hot gas spout from the nozzle, which is regulated by an inertial (inertia) gyroscope system automatically, human control v. without interference. (The subject is more interested in online search engines such as thrust vectoring, graphite jet vane, the system is still used on new generation combat aircraft, as well as of all types of missiles, including the notorious Scuds.) I find it particularly pungent, (exactly beneath the LOX tank) and although the fire has been devastated most at the bottom of the rocket, it has affected the whole surface because of the leakage of the oxygen, so it is not excluded that the missile instrument compartments are located between the two fuel tanks By the time he reached the pass, his management system could have terminated the service.

The position of this gas deflector wing - that is, abnormally folded - at an angle of at least 120 ° rather than almost vertical (from 0 to 20 degrees) (see the rocket museum photos) suggests that the system was desperately trying to correct the asymmetrical thrust of the device, to keep the structure still in the right direction, but it could have been hopeless. It is also likely that such a steep angle can not already be realized in high-speed flights (since at a fraction of the sound speed, a small number of wing rotations are enough to affect the gas flow radically), so our rocket could at that time have a lower speed and less thrust. (Of course, the power of the explosion has not so much to do with the graphite wings, but I find it a little less likely.) There are 4 of these wings on the rocket and are located at the bottom of the stabilizers, but are statically aligned with the trunk, from a drive case (actuator) hanging out on a rotating axis, so the piece of wreck could still be left, though the bottom of the outlet was torn.

It is also clear how much everything burned down below, the less heat-resistant parts (plinth, stubble rod, lower, thinner parts of the stabilizer) could all tear, break, or simply blossom from the great heat generated by the leaking LOX fires. They are not heat-resistant like graphite wings (there is a special shield - also graphite - also protects slightly from the drive rotary electric motor, the actuator's housing from the hot gas, plus a thick metal

sharp55:
From the picture evidence is there a true way to determine what is a natural photo as taken as compared to a negative that simply is contaminated or just an abnormal negative and or an accidental shot being taken(we all have done this with cameras)? Reminds me of the big foot photo's always blurry and leaves one guessing as too the authenticity of the photo's in question. Again on a rocket there would be traces of it visible as written before even with an air-burst and no one so far as I have read seemed to mention any traces of an explosion. The biggest thought I have against the exploding rocket theory is the manner in which they left the tent (in no hurry). As far as concussion type of injuries the logical place in the bodies would be the ears that is where over-whelming evidence of death by explosion and or explosive type of concussion injuries would be apparent and none of these autopsied bodies show this.

An excellent movie that comes close to showing what happens during explosions is a Bridge Too far the opening artillery scene against the British column (very realistic). While a type of explosion can cause disorientation via shell shock etc. It does not explain the lack of damage that would have been absolutely apparent in the bodies recovered and not to mention no traces in ground or above or residue that would be apparently and easily seen by the rescue crews. Now for instance let us say it is still feasible and not impossible as to a military test missile being the culprit. If this were the case then there is noway that seeking survival they would have left their camp for fear of survival and choosing certain death (i.e. clothing and gear necessary to survive after leaving) and the next part casually and normally exiting down to the forest area. This all points to foul-play and not missile test via the military and or out of this world theories, sometimes it is the first logical conclusion we now and the investigators then were thinking, that is they were forced down that mountain (but not in a rush) that is why apparently in the beginning the suspicions were cast upon the Mansi people.

What stands out too me is the way the government at that time chose to put this case under wraps  my thoughts are they found the Mansi people not guilty but my question is what about the other indigenous people in the surrounding area? The way they were driven out of the camp without bare necessities shows at the least some form of hatred of this group (although not personally if one gets my point). If this were done today in the US it would have been labeled I think some form of hate crime to begin with. Look for instance at Luda is it just happenstance the condition they find her in or is it something else? Think about her background very odd her remains are well let us say a more advanced form of deterioration. I know that it can after all turn out to be the military (not out of question) but the evidence does suggest otherwise. Now the Mansi did give indication's that they had from time to time ran across the military in the area and some of the items found suggest a military presence in the least, but it still could be the some indigenous people that simply have had certain military clothing and or equipment. Soldiers do tend to do this sometimes via trades just visit any type of pawn shops around any military institution around the world for proof.

Last but not least the rescue crews arriving did not think they were coming to a possible crime scene otherwise they may have not been too hasty to handle the tent nor trample the area around the tent nor clothing and or other items left behind. In the end what we have is a comprised investigation site and without the technology in criminal investigation existent today this adds to this tragic mystery for instance we will never know if any traces of DNA for example were left on the victims from those outside of their party for example.   

Loose}{Cannon:
Looks like they took this pic, rotated it, and enhanced it.  From What I undersatand, this set of pics came from Zolotaryov's camera with highly damaged film, and these were just very small parts of the frames magnified several times to see what you see.  Also.... negatives, so these would be black spots when developed.   wink1

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