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Miscellaneous => Non-DP Related Mysteries! => Topic started by: Teddy on October 05, 2023, 03:38:01 PM

Title: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 05, 2023, 03:38:01 PM

Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass (https://dyatlovpass.com/sokhondo-nature-reserve)

(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/Sokhondo-nature-reserve-forum.jpg?fake=1696545592) (https://dyatlovpass.com/sokhondo-nature-reserve)


Lets see how many similarities you can find with the Dyatlov Pass tragedy.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 01:07:25 AM

Ok, I will start:

• From the testimony of the director of the reserve Vasilchenko: "Orlov was found 600 - 700 meters from the dead a few days later in the forest. He apparently moved away from the group and started the descent to the winter hut. And at this point of time something happened, which caused the physical condition of all members of the group to sharply deteriorate. There is no other way to explain why the group stopped on the slope when there were 700 meters left to the forest and no more than two kilometers to the winter hut."
• No traces from strangers
• Strange stage of undressing
• Defensive wounds that can not be explained
• Everything seems to have happened very quickly. From the testimony of the director of the reserve Vasilchenko: There were no attempts to save themselves from hypothermia, although the group had warm sweaters, padded jackets, and two sleeping bags in their backpacks. The group did not get lost, they were on the route. The state of the corpses' postures, open eyes and mouths indicate a sharp deterioration in the body's condition."
• The last body was found 11 days later "in a hole in the snow on cedar tree branches". This sounds like the den in the Dyatlov case to me.
• Weather was good.
• The last diary entry is weird, sounds like the last thing both expeditions saw before the trouble started was a rising cedar tree... "The cedar tree is on the rise." It sounds exactly like that in the diary, as if the cedar tree was rising.
• At the end some bosses are blamed for having nothing to do whit anything.
• No idea what happened. They were in a zombie state applies for both cases.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Ziljoe on October 06, 2023, 04:44:38 AM

I thought it was a hoax? I'm still trying to find other sources. Sounds interesting though.

Similarities;

1) there's snow.

2) it's cold. Or has the potential to be and there was a storm.

3) skis are involved

4) there's a old volcano near by

5) a hill with a name where nothing likes to grow

6) there's matches lying about.

7) clenched fists

8) marks on the hands ( no sign of defense wounds on DP9 or here, only speculation)

We need  more information, I really hope it has a conclusion.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 05:08:34 AM

No conclusion.
This is a well known mystery, Google: "Сохондинский заповедник трагедия 1981" and take your pick.
https://v1.ru/text/incidents/2023/06/13/72388214/
https://www.mk.ru/social/2023/07/10/raskryty-materialy-dela-o-vtorom-perevale-dyatlova-zagadochno-pogibla-eshhe-odna-ekspediciya.html

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 05:16:08 AM

Does this remind you of someone?

- Strange things began while we were driving in the UAZ to the starting point,- says Pyotr Baranov. - A forester was assigned to each group to accompany them. I walked with Seryoga Vasilchenko. And Orlov and Konkin had to go with Shelomeytsev. But on the way he suddenly rebelled. I won’t go on the route - that’s all! Seryoga tried to calm him down, word for word, it came to a fight. And when we got there, Shelomeytsev jumped out of the car and ran away. We never understood what happened to him. Didn't explain anything! And after the tragedy he said: "I would have been the fifth to die. I could feel it."

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 05:24:40 AM

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Ziljoe on October 06, 2023, 07:05:13 AM

Quote from: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 05:16:08 AM

Does this remind you of someone?

- Strange things began while we were driving in the UAZ to the starting point,- says Pyotr Baranov. - A forester was assigned to each group to accompany them. I walked with Seryoga Vasilchenko. And Orlov and Konkin had to go with Shelomeytsev. But on the way he suddenly rebelled. I won’t go on the route - that’s all! Seryoga tried to calm him down, word for word, it came to a fight. And when we got there, Shelomeytsev jumped out of the car and ran away. We never understood what happened to him. Didn't explain anything! And after the tragedy he said: "I would have been the fifth to die. I could feel it."

Yudin?

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 07:15:28 AM

Who else.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: amashilu on October 06, 2023, 10:05:52 AM

Teddy, do you know if "scratches on their fingers" indicates scratches on the TOPS of the fingers, as if something (or someone) had scratched these people, or if it means there were scratches on the undersides of the fingers, indicating that they themselves had scratched at something?

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 06, 2023, 01:53:36 PM

Quote from: amashilu on October 06, 2023, 10:05:52 AM

Teddy, do you know if "scratches on their fingers" indicates scratches on the TOPS of the fingers, as if something (or someone) had scratched these people, or if it means there were scratches on the undersides of the fingers, indicating that they themselves had scratched at something?

1. It literally says "on the fingers" - can't tell if under or on top
+
2. The end of the sentence is clear: "on the back of the hand (palm)"

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: amashilu on October 07, 2023, 07:59:30 AM

That is the puzzle!

"The end of the sentence is clear: "on the back of the hand (palm)"

The "back of the hand" is the opposite side of the palm, to me, in English. The back of the hand is the TOP side. The palm is the bottom side.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 07, 2023, 08:26:33 AM

Quote from: amashilu on October 07, 2023, 07:59:30 AM

That is the puzzle!
"The end of the sentence is clear: "on the back of the hand (palm)"
The "back of the hand" is the opposite side of the palm, to me, in English. The back of the hand is the TOP side. The palm is the bottom side.

I meant back of the hand, or back of the palm.
I should have written "on the back of the hand/palm".
Forget the word palm.
It is clear in Russian, and my translation is correct "back of the hand".

(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/back-of-a-hand.jpg)

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: amashilu on October 07, 2023, 12:07:57 PM

Thanks, Teddy, so it looks like maybe they were scratched by something or someone other than themselves.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Teddy on October 07, 2023, 01:44:08 PM

Quote from: amashilu on October 07, 2023, 12:07:57 PM

Thanks, Teddy, so it looks like maybe they were scratched by something or someone other than themselves.

My understanding too.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: KathleenDSmith1 on October 07, 2023, 08:01:12 PM

Everyone and Teddy:

Reading the Trans-Baikal Dyaltov pass, I realized it sounded more familiar regarding this section: Three were lying on their backs with their arms and legs raised, their eyes open, matches scattered on their chests, recalls Pyotr Baranov, who found the bodies of the dead. - The fourth was buried in the snow. They were only two kilometers away from the nearest winter shelter...

with the Chivruay tragedy: sending image...
(https://i.ibb.co/JHFhmK4/Chivruay-2023-10-07-10-57-47-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/Xtkwjbg)

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: Ziljoe on October 08, 2023, 05:38:25 AM

Quote from: Teddy on October 07, 2023, 01:44:08 PM

Quote from: amashilu on October 07, 2023, 12:07:57 PM

Thanks, Teddy, so it looks like maybe they were scratched by something or someone other than themselves.

My understanding too.

It says in one of the links.

"On January 4, the bodies of Konkin, Bakholdin and Terekhova were opened. All three showed signs of general hypothermia. No signs of struggle or self-defense were found. Blood was taken to determine its alcohol content."

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: KathleenDSmith1 on October 08, 2023, 10:32:07 PM

Everyone and Teddy:

What I'm trying to say, is both parties "The Trans-Baikal 1982 and  Chivruay Tragedy 1973 both had better quality clothing/outerwear/coats/boats and sleeping bags and tents....this is what bothers me regarding "Hyperthermia" ...this is not the 50's regarding Dyatlov Pass where leaving behind there essential to test the outer climate/weather for a badge...

Reading a bit more of The Trans-Baikal 1982...and I snipped this...very interesting...sending an image..oh, Please read in blue highlight


Thank You
Kathleen Dee Smith

(https://i.ibb.co/LpDqXBX/Sensing2023-10-09-1-39-33-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cTKpSRS)

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: amashilu on October 09, 2023, 05:19:56 AM

KathleenDSmith1, I agree, that is fascinating. I would love to hear what he says about experiencing the feeling that he had to get away or die -- because he is probably right! What did he feel? The way animals can sense an impending earthquake kind of thing?

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: KathleenDSmith1 on October 09, 2023, 03:03:46 PM

Everyone:

While reading this I discovered that (copied and pasted this)
Mihail Orlov worked at the reserve for two years, so his photo was kept in his personal file. There are no photographs left of the remaining victims.

__________________
copied and paste this section.....( no other photos of the victims, but there is a child (son) )...any of family photos... in-laws, grandparents, uncles, and aunts that have older photos of both parents.....

Taiga novel

Igor Baholdin and Tatyana Terehova met and fell in love with each other in the zone, somewhere in the Trans-Baikal steppes. He is a police dog breeder, she is an accountant. Both had their own family background. And therefore, as the rumor goes, colleagues looked at their romance with grins. This forced them to go to the taiga cordon of the Sokhondo Nature Reserve in September 1981, where he got a job as a forester, she as his assistant. On New Year's Eve we asked to go home for a few days. Tatyana wanted to spend the holiday with her little son.


Thanks
Kathleen Dee Smith

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: GlennM on April 22, 2024, 04:51:08 PM

I read nothing to rule out food poisoning. If they all ate together and ate the same thing, that might be it.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: sarapuk on October 25, 2024, 03:31:55 PM

Quote from: amashilu on October 07, 2023, 12:07:57 PM

Thanks, Teddy, so it looks like maybe they were scratched by something or someone other than themselves.

Interesting the number of mysterious cases of people being found with scratch marks on their bodies.

Title: Re: Sokhondo Nature Reserve: The Trans-Baikal Dyatlov Pass
Post by: RMK on December 23, 2024, 02:09:16 PM

Quote from: GlennM on April 22, 2024, 04:51:08 PM

I read nothing to rule out food poisoning. If they all ate together and ate the same thing, that might be it.

Yeah.  According to this source (https://v1.ru/text/incidents/2023/06/13/72388214/), the only toxin for which the pathologist tested was alcohol.  Only Bakholdin had any detectable alcohol in his blood.  The source reports his BAC as 0.45 percent, which has to be a mistake; it's probably supposed to be 0.45 permille, or 0.045%.  The pathologist concluded that hypothermia was the cause of death for all four victims.

Poisoning usually causes vomiting, though, and the description of the scene doesn't say anything about traces of vomit anywhere.

If there are no signs of foul play, then the quartet's food or drink must have been accidentally contaminated somehow.  What sort of foodborne or waterborne pathogen would suddenly debilitate four healthy twenty-somethings that they fall down and freeze to death only 2km away from their destination?