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Title: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on April 09, 2026, 11:14:28 PM: Today, April 10, Vladimir Askinadzi is turning 89. Special greeting for the members of Dyatlov Pass Forum! Notice the tshirt.

(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/Askinadzi-89.jpg) (https://youtube.com/shorts/A1nbpDudiv8?si=KNt1EGp4IIQsigit)

This is a screenshot from a reel (https://youtube.com/shorts/A1nbpDudiv8?si=KNt1EGp4IIQsigit).

You can pin his greeting card if you haven't done it yet. This used to be the card to wish him well after his latest stroke. Now we are turning it into a Birthday Greeting card. You don't have to be precise with the pin, just make one. I like it when they are spread all over the globe, but you don't have to pinpoint your home if you don't want to. You can easily create a pin from your profile page. Existing forum members can interact with the map from their profile (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?action=profile;area=forumprofile). If you are not a member you may consider registering (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?action=admin;area=regcenter;sa=register). To put a pin click on the map and don't forget to click "Change profile" or else the pin won't be saved.

(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/Askinadzi-map.jpg) (https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?action=googlemap)

I consider Vladimir Askinadzi one of the best, if not the best witness of the search operation in 1959. If we apply the investigative motto "Means, Motive, and Opportunity" not for a suspect in a crime but for a witness, then Vladimir Mihaylovich checks all the boxes to be our best witness, that is. Here are the three most important things, in my opinion. First, he remembers, his mind is intact, but most importantly, his recollections are not biased by any theory. Second - he actually had the chance to find the bodies that had the injuries that couldn't be explained by anything else but "overwhelming force". Third, not the least, he agreed to answer our questions. I have always urged you to read what he has said throughout the years, but now we both agree that, in order to have consistent documents, it won't be a bad idea to revisit all his answers. It is a cart following tracks. If we try to continue where we ended, i.e., come up with new questions, then we presume that what has been said (the tracks) is firmly established. But they are not. So fire away! You can ask your questions here, in Taina.li, or on Dyatlovpass.com (https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-89?showcomments#pagecomments).

(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/Vladimir-Askinadzi-100-questions.jpg)

The idea is borrowed by Maya Piskareva and her 100 questions to Yudin (https://dyatlovpass.com/yudin-100-questions). She died in 2017. Piskareva and Askinadzi shared a special bond.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Ziljoe on April 11, 2026, 04:17:50 PM: Hi Teddy i hope you are well.

This might sound like a stupid question but can we submit more than one question? Obviously you will chose the questions asked.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on April 11, 2026, 10:19:41 PM: Quote from: Ziljoe on April 11, 2026, 04:17:50 PM
This might sound like a stupid question but can we submit more than one question? Obviously you will chose the questions asked.

There is no limit how many questions one person can submit.
No worries about repetition either*. If more people ask about the same thing then it is a something more people would like to have the answer to. All the names will be mentioned and it will count only as one question. There is no rigidity in the format. Some questions I will continue discussing when I meet him Sevastopol after the expedition.
*There is no way of knowing what the other people have asked because I am gathering questions from many platforms, and also in my mail.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Ziljoe on May 05, 2026, 03:57:59 PM: Fascinating replies from. Askindazi!.

Thank you Teddy for this work. I'm surprised we aren't all debating this. I'm ever so grateful..
These questions and and answers are quite insightful.

https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 05, 2026, 11:48:23 PM: This morning Askinadzi sent me more extensive response about the events on May 5.

What happened on May 5th? (https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#35)
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 06, 2026, 11:57:02 AM: What a perfectly worded May 5th question and answer session! That notebook may exist somewhere! It is now certain that Zolo wore no camera. The theory of a collapsed snow cave was not confirmed. The cut trousers are evidence that the Yuris preceeded the Ravine 4 in death.

The new lines of inquiry might be why the trousers were found above and not on the mat branches? What does that difference in depth imply?

Was the location of the running stream known when the den was discovered?

Of course all of these things do nothing to address why the Ravine 4 died as they did.

Appreciated!
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: amashilu on May 06, 2026, 12:07:06 PM: Quote from: GlennM on May 06, 2026, 11:57:02 AM
It is now certain that Zolo wore no camera.

I don't think this is certain.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: SURI on May 06, 2026, 12:38:40 PM: Zolo had a camera. Snap, snap...
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Ziljoe on May 06, 2026, 02:25:06 PM: We are a grumpy lot, I found the answers quite revealing , I used AI to try and understand Russian in it's context. It may be wrong , but the short answer as I understand it , to my questions at least , was that the search was sloppy and early errors had been made. AI notes that it was easier to be sloppy because it avoids responsibility.

We can see from the other questions and replies the logic of the discovery of the den and the handling of the of the bodies, first into sleeping bags liners, then rubber bags and then man handled into the helicopter. The ravine 4 body positions would have arrived at the morgue in a very different state as to how they were found. A small chance of some cross contamination too.

AI below if you're interested.

Here is a more literal, closer‑to‑the‑Russian rendering of Askinadzi’s answer to Question 23.
This version keeps the Russian structure, tone, and implications intact — without smoothing it into natural English.

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⭐ Literal English Translation of #23

> “The entire history of ‘Dyatlov‑studies’ shows that no one, even now, can understand what this force really was… the force that the group was unable to overcome. From this come the many versions — from more or less plausible to outright absurd.
>
> It very much looks as though, during the search, someone was constantly directing us onto a false path — starting with slipping in, supposedly, their tracks, and ending with the blurring of the search strategy. After all, Atmanaki had already paid attention to the little fir trees with their tops cut off that led us to the den, and Blinov noted this too, but these thoughts remained only thoughts.
>
> The lack of system in the search process was needed by someone.”

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⭐ Notes on the literal meaning
To keep it literal, I preserved:

- “направлял по ложному пути” → “directing us onto a false path”
(idiomatic in Russian for misleading/confusing, not necessarily malicious)

- “подсовывания, якобы, их следов” → “slipping in, supposedly, their tracks”
(he is criticising misidentification, not claiming planted evidence)

- “размывания стратегии поисков” → “blurring of the search strategy”
(loss of clarity, confusion)

- “кому-то была нужна” → “was needed by someone”
(Soviet bureaucratic phrasing meaning: someone benefited from the chaos, not a killer)

This version stays as close to the Russian as possible without becoming unreadable.

Hyper‑literal translation of #23

> “All the history of ‘Dyatlov‑studies’ says that no one up to now can understand what represents in reality the force… which the group was not able to overcome. From here also the mass of versions — from more‑or‑less plausible to openly absurd.
>
> Very similar to (it seems very much like) that someone during the search all the time was directing them onto a false path — beginning from the slipping‑in, supposedly, of their tracks, up to the blurring of the search strategy. After all, about the little fir trees with cut‑off tops, which led us to the den, Atmanaki had already paid attention, and Blinov noted this too, but these thoughts remained only thoughts.
>
> The lack‑of‑system of the search process was needed by someone.”

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⭐ Notes on the hyper‑literal meaning
This version preserves:

“направлял по ложному пути”
→ “directing onto a false path”
(does not imply a villain; can mean confusion, misdirection, poor leadership)

“подсовывания, якобы, их следов”
→ “slipping‑in, supposedly, their tracks”
(he is criticising misidentification, not claiming planted evidence)

“размывания стратегии поисков”
→ “blurring of the search strategy”
(loss of clarity, muddling)

“кому‑то была нужна”
→ “was needed by someone”
(Soviet bureaucratic idiom: someone benefited from the chaos — usually meaning officials avoiding responsibility)

Here’s the thing, — when Askinadzi says:

“Бессистемность процесса поисков кому‑то была нужна.”
“The lack of system in the search process was needed by someone.”

…he is not talking about killers, saboteurs, or attackers.

In Soviet bureaucratic language, that phrase has a very specific meaning.
It means:

“Someone in authority preferred chaos because it protected them.”

Not because they were hiding a crime —
but because order creates responsibility, and responsibility creates blame.

Let me break down the logic in a way that fits the 1959 Soviet context.

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⭐ 1. Sloppiness protects people from accountability
In the Soviet system:

- If you document everything properly → you can be blamed for mistakes.
- If you run a tight, systematic search → you can be held responsible for failures.
- If you follow procedure → you can be punished for not following it perfectly.

But if everything is:

- chaotic
- undocumented
- contradictory
- improvised
- confused

…then no one can be blamed, because no one can prove who made which decision.

This is what “benefited someone” means.

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⭐ 2. Chaos prevents a clear chain of responsibility
If the search is sloppy:

- no one can say who missed what
- no one can say who failed to document the tent
- no one can say who misinterpreted tracks
- no one can say who ignored the cut trees
- no one can say who gave the wrong orders

In a system where careers could be destroyed for “incorrect actions,”
chaos is safer than clarity.

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⭐ 3. It also protects the leadership from criticism
Maslennikov, Tempalov, and the local authorities were under pressure.

A systematic search would have revealed:

- procedural mistakes
- poor coordination
- missed clues
- contradictory decisions
- lack of proper documentation

A chaotic search hides all of that.

So “benefited someone” =
benefited the people in charge, because it prevented scrutiny.

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⭐ 4. It also prevents Moscow from asking uncomfortable questions
If the search had been:

- well‑documented
- systematic
- precise
- professional

…then Moscow could have asked:

- Why was the tent not photographed properly?
- Why were the tracks not measured?
- Why were the cedar and ravine scenes not secured?
- Why were decisions inconsistent?
- Why were search groups not coordinated?

But if everything is a mess, the answer becomes:

“It was chaos, comrade. Hard conditions. No one’s fault.”

That is a very Soviet way to avoid trouble.

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⭐ 5. It does NOT imply a conspiracy or staged evidence
This is important.

In Russian, the phrase:

“кому‑то была нужна”
does not imply:

- murderers
- attackers
- secret agents
- staged scenes
- planted bodies

It implies:

- bureaucratic self‑protection
- avoiding responsibility
- covering incompetence
- not wanting to be blamed

It’s about administrative psychology, not a hidden enemy.

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⭐ 6. So how could sloppiness benefit someone?

✔ It prevents blame

✔ It hides mistakes

✔ It avoids paperwork

✔ It avoids Moscow’s scrutiny

✔ It protects careers

✔ It avoids having to explain failures

✔ It lets everyone say “we did our best”

In short:

Sloppiness = safety.
Order = danger.

That’s the Soviet logic.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 06, 2026, 06:12:20 PM: Order=accountability
Sloppiness= deflection

I still feel that the unknown force is labeled that way because, aside from translation diffuculties, the DP9 were not found in or near the tent. The mysterious force, a transient weather driven event. is by definition unwitnessed and undocumented in diaries, therefore unknown (unattested).Compelling? Yes, enough for persuade them to shelter in the forest. Their diffuculties stemmed from the failure of the tent to protect them, the immediacy of their need to make a decision,, the distance to shelter, the drop in temperature, and hazards along the descent. Once they elect to leave the tent, there was no reason to return until conditions improved. The clock ran out.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Ziljoe on May 06, 2026, 06:35:33 PM: That’s how I see it at the moment as well, and it’s broadly what the original conclusion was pointing toward. The context is that a weather‑driven event forced them out of the tent, and once they committed to leaving, they simply couldn’t recover from the situation. The “unknown force” is only “unknown” because it was unwitnessed and transient — not because it was exotic.

As for the investigation, the replies make it clear that it was sloppy in places, probably for a mix of reasons: accountability, inexperience, and the fact that mountain tragedies weren’t treated as forensic crime scenes in 1959. People died in the mountains every year; this was seen as another such case until the injuries complicated things.

The answers about the discovery of the den and the handling of the bodies were very revealing.

I’m still on the fence about how exactly the ravine filled. I missed a good opportunity to ask Askinadzi what was directly under the den branches or how far the running water was from the flooring. I still wrestle with whether it was a snow‑load collapse or whether the stream bed was open and flowing — the fire at the cedar does suggest they were trying to dry things, which complicates the picture.

Still, the replies were articulate and consistent, and they give a clearer sense of how chaotic and physically demanding the search actually was.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 06, 2026, 07:52:47 PM: The sloppy methodology is like saying, " Who can say?" with a shoulder shrug. It could also be understood as a somewhat soft way of saying " an act of God," in a country who says religion is the opiate of the people. Too, being described as unknown, it rules out murder, mayhem and other known uses of force. It is a way of saying" we can not say for sure what happened to your sons and daughters, but we certainly do not believe there was human agency in their deaths. It preserves Igor's reputation because it is too vague to imply he made a bad decision as leader.. For that matter, it preserves everyone's honor because infighting is ruled out.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Ziljoe on May 06, 2026, 08:29:10 PM: Yes, probably all Intertwined, saves everyone from any real consequences. I think that's why Ivanovo was annoyed that there was no serious action taken against the hike organisers.

I also think hikes were improved after the DPI , it was used as a model to improve oversights etc.

It is a nodding to a shoulder shrug for sure and I suppose when lighting strikes and kills it is or was classed as an act of God. so in English it would read something more like, "the action of an unspecified natural force".
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: SURI on May 06, 2026, 09:40:02 PM: You still don't realize that Ivanov had irrefutable evidence of the crime - diaries and photographs. Not even AI can change that.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Ziljoe on May 06, 2026, 10:19:37 PM: Quote from: SURI on May 06, 2026, 09:40:02 PM
You still don't realize that Ivanov had irrefutable evidence of the crime - diaries and photographs. Not even AI can change that.

I find AI gives context to eras, culture and language. It does not give an answer, it can speed read a lot of documents that I can't but makes mistakes.

Unfortunately I do not know what irrefutable evidence Ivanov had. AI is not trying to change anything so don't panic. You keep mentioning the diaries and photos but give no evidence. You have to put your theory out for it to be scrutinized. I'm more than happy to read and engage.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: SURI on May 06, 2026, 11:00:05 PM: I already wrote about this in another thread. Not one group went into the mountains, but two. The infiltrated group had its own language, its own diaries and photographs. Don't forget that Ivanov saw all the photos of the deceased tourists. He had plenty of evidence.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: sarapuk on May 08, 2026, 02:20:29 PM: Quote from: GlennM on May 06, 2026, 06:12:20 PM
Order=accountability
Sloppiness= deflection

I still feel that the unknown force is labeled that way because, aside from translation diffuculties, the DP9 were not found in or near the tent. The mysterious force, a transient weather driven event. is by definition unwitnessed and undocumented in diaries, therefore unknown (unattested).Compelling? Yes, enough for persuade them to shelter in the forest. Their diffuculties stemmed from the failure of the tent to protect them, the immediacy of their need to make a decision,, the distance to shelter, the drop in temperature, and hazards along the descent. Once they elect to leave the tent, there was no reason to return until conditions improved. The clock ran out.

The use of the term 'unknown compelling force' is used after all the separate events had occurred. The tent site, the slope, the tree, the den, the stream.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 08, 2026, 05:43:59 PM: The English language version, that is
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: sarapuk on May 17, 2026, 04:22:18 PM: Quote from: GlennM on May 08, 2026, 05:43:59 PM
The English language version, that is

Well, what is the Russian language version then !? How is it much different!?
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 18, 2026, 07:10:12 AM: The difference is in what was not suggested. An unknown compelling man made force. The only applicable force would be from a detonation. The record shows no debris from a detonation was found.

Nothing in this back and forth moves the needle.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Senior Maldonado on May 18, 2026, 08:09:45 AM: Quote from: GlennM on May 18, 2026, 07:10:12 AM
The only applicable force would be from a detonation. The record shows no debris from a detonation was found.
Perhaps, there was no detonation there in 1959. It could have been deflagration -- quick combustion of a cloud of evaporated fuel. Deflagration also creates air wave, but it is weaker than a wave from detonation. Wave from detonation is able to crack bones itself, while deflagration's wave can only knock down and press. If one is thrown to a flat rock, ribs or skull could be cracked.

I wonder, why nobody dares to ask Askinadzi about fireballs. If he had seen them or not. Another, even more important question is: did Kuzminov say anything about soldiers' panic, when he had to fire a pistol to calm them down?
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 18, 2026, 08:52:17 AM: I will ask him.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 01:22:30 AM: Quote from: Senior Maldonado on May 18, 2026, 08:09:45 AM
did Kuzminov say anything about soldiers' panic, when he had to fire a pistol to calm them down?

I am sorry, where is this from?
The only presence of a gun I know of is when Colonel Ortyukov wave it around to threaten the pilots to take the bodies and they still refused. I can't find any source that Kuzminov had a gun, leave alone that it fired it.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 01:46:25 AM: Quote from: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 01:22:30 AM
I am sorry, where is this from?
Teddy, this is from taina.li forum, section "Воспоминания". If you go to "Кузьминов" subsection, it is there at the very beginning.

Kuzminov was a commander of the Ivdellag soldiers, who came for the 2nd search shift. He says he had a pistol, and fired it at the order of the camp's head (Ortuykov?). At first sight, it looks like a fake story, but there is another witness, who confirms that the soldiers saw a fireball approaching them and fled out of the tent. It is very strange that UPI students do not mention that incident. Maybe, Askinadzi has heard something? He had been in touch with Kuzminov for about 10 days at the Pass.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 01:57:38 AM: Found it. Very interesting. Will publish today the letter on the site and ask Askinadzi about this.
Very interesting.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 04:06:55 AM: This is the letter that Nikolay Ivanov Kuzminov sent to the Uralsky Rabochy newspaper on February 9, 1999 (you can see the date on the post stamp)

https://dyatlovpass.com/kuzminov-1999 (https://dyatlovpass.com/kuzminov-1999)

I sent the questions to Askinadzi
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 04:11:30 AM: Quote from: Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 01:46:25 AM

Kuzminov was a commander of the Ivdellag soldiers, who came for the 2nd search shift.

Kuzminov was a soldier (not a commander) of military unit 6602. Askinadzi's shift was the 6th, not 2nd.

https://dyatlovpass.com/search-photos#6shift (https://dyatlovpass.com/search-photos#6shift)
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 06:42:16 AM: Quote from: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 04:11:30 AM
Kuzminov was a soldier (not a commander) of military unit 6602. Askinadzi's shift was the 6th, not 2nd.
Maybe "commander" is a wrong word. Anyway, at the last days of search, there were no officers at the Pass. Kuzminov acted as a senior soldier, all other soldiers had to obey his orders. Askinadzi was head of his students' group. Ortyukov was at the top -- head of the search camp.

And please do not mix UPI search shifts and Ivdellag search shifts. Askinadzi was in the 6th UPI shift, while Kuzminov was in the 2nd Ivdellag shift. The 1st Ivdellag shift was headed by Potapov, and included famous Suynikaev and Klimenko.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 08:41:09 AM: Quote from: Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 06:42:16 AM
And please do not mix UPI search shifts and Ivdellag search shifts. Askinadzi was in the 6th UPI shift, while Kuzminov was in the 2nd Ivdellag shift. The 1st Ivdellag shift was headed by Potapov, and included famous Suynikaev and Klimenko.

Noted
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 19, 2026, 09:30:19 AM: Quote from: Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 06:42:16 AM
The 1st Ivdellag shift was headed by Potapov, and included famous Suynikaev and Klimenko.

https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2007 (https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2007)

https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2008 (https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2008)

https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2009 (https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2009)

https://dyatlovpass.com/klimenko-2009 (https://dyatlovpass.com/klimenko-2009)

https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2021 (https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2021)
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 19, 2026, 09:16:49 PM: In 1949, the Soviet Union developed a preliminary design for a missile submarine under the designation Project P-2 [pl], intended to strike land targets.[6] The design was developed by CKB-18 (later the Rubin Design Bureau). The submarine was projected to have a surface displacement of nearly 5,400 tons and to carry 12 R-1 missiles (Soviet versions of the V-2) and Lastochka cruise missiles.[7] However, the program encountered numerous issues that the designers could not overcome,[3] including, among others, problems with stabilizing the missile prior to launch.[8] In the early phase of developing sea-to-land missile systems, the Soviet Union regarded this kind of weapon solely as a tactical asset without strategic significance.[3]
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 21, 2026, 01:17:07 AM: Quote from: Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 01:46:25 AM
Kuzminov was a commander of the Ivdellag soldiers, who came for the 2nd search shift. He says he had a pistol, and fired it at the order of the camp's head (Ortuykov?). At first sight, it looks like a fake story, but there is another witness, who confirms that the soldiers saw a fireball approaching them and fled out of the tent. It is very strange that UPI students do not mention that incident. Maybe, Askinadzi has heard something? He had been in touch with Kuzminov for about 10 days at the Pass.

https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#55 (https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#55)

https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#56 (https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#56)

https://dyatlovpass.com/kuzminov-1999 (https://dyatlovpass.com/kuzminov-1999)
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Senior Maldonado on May 21, 2026, 02:32:28 AM: The answers are expected ones. If Askinadzi had known anything about fireballs and frightened soldiers, he would have told that already.

Askinadzi tends to map Kuzminov's story about fireball to March 31, when Sogrin, Potapov, and Avenburg saw a fireball's flight. I doubt very much that Kuzminov talks about that event. From his letter it is clear that he was not at the Pass with the 1st shift of Ivdellag soldiers. He refers to another soldier, Borey, when he talks about March events, which means he did not witness those events -- arrived to the Pass later.

The point is that helicopter's pilot Potyazhenko and his wife, who worked as a radio operator in Ivdel airport at that time, both separate two episodes with fireballs. They say that the episode described by Kuzminov occured later than Sogrin's episode, probably on 23rd or 24th of April. Three people talking about a fireball appearance later than March is enough to take it seriously.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 21, 2026, 07:06:27 PM: What I get out of this is on the one hand a group of army type people come out and see lights in the sky and then go back to sleep.Some guy with a gun gets to take a shot at it. Nothing comes from the effort. On the other hand nine hikers see the light, knife their tent to ribbons, stroll a mile in the snow and one by one die.

If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership. Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.

We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 21, 2026, 10:18:45 PM: No one fired anything. There was no panic. This is recounted in 1999, 40 years after the events.
In Taina.li where I took this from they don't even discuss it. Askinadzi was surprised that I am asking about it - isn't it obvious, he said, the guy is making stuff up.
On the two questions, did Askinadzi see fireballs, the answer is - no, did Kuzminov talk about firing his gun, the answer is - no, because Nikolay didn't have a gun.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Senior Maldonado on May 22, 2026, 01:23:46 AM: Teddy, thank you much for adding these two questions to the list and getting quick replies from Askinadzi!

Yes, majority of forum members would scream "Hura-a-a! No rockets!". But I believe this is not the end of the story. Askinadzi says his part as a witness, who cannot know everything. We will see what will be at the end, and I hope it will not take many years to wait.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 22, 2026, 06:51:33 AM: What I am seeing is more and more distractions developing from the main mystery. Only the diaries give first hand information as to the " why" of it all. They prove insufficient. Only the finders and the medical examiners can attest to the " where and how" of it all. They are imprecise as to location and material evidence. Medical examiners, while objective in examination are speculative in interpretation. Nurse Solter's testimony is suspect. Every thing else is opinion, filtered by individual perception.

The heart of the mystery for me, at least, is why those people did things that I would not do in the same circumstance. That makes me think I do not have all the facts. I am not alone. In the absence of facts, we seek and often accept second, third and fourth hand opinions. They may be logical, but logic is not truth. They may be valid, but validity is not reliability. This is both a trap and a comfort. The trap is believing what you choose to believe. The comfort is exactly the same.

I admire Teddy and her group for going to the place and gathering facts. I know the area is not pristine. I know that each member of her expedition has an idea of what happened. They spent their money to prove themselves right.

The DPI is about self discovery more than historical revelations. But, the latter drives the former.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 22, 2026, 07:34:42 AM: Quote from: GlennM on May 22, 2026, 06:51:33 AM

I admire Teddy and her group for going to the place and gathering facts. I know the area is not pristine. I know that each member of her expedition has an idea of what happened. They spent their money to prove themselves right.

EXPEDITION 2006 (https://dyatlovpass.com/expedition-2026)
If you read our objectives, I am staying by the Cedar, but everyone else will go further towards Otorten in search of rocket debris and craters. We are not just looking for something to substantiate a theory. We literally join forces to find the truth, or what's left of it. No one is discarding things that disprove their theory. We are happy to find ANYTHING.
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on May 24, 2026, 08:14:23 PM: Google Earth awaits place marks and pictures. We do too!
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 24, 2026, 10:06:44 PM: If you want to see the pass covered with snow you need to "Show historical imagery" and go back to year 2003 in Google Earth.

https://earth.google.com/earth/d/1Gj6X-CjXRh4x7A81dfEwlNJqKi_xiW8p?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: Teddy on May 24, 2026, 10:08:33 PM
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 01:16:02 PM: Quote from: GlennM on May 19, 2026, 09:16:49 PM
In 1949, the Soviet Union developed a preliminary design for a missile submarine under the designation Project P-2 [pl], intended to strike land targets.[6] The design was developed by CKB-18 (later the Rubin Design Bureau). The submarine was projected to have a surface displacement of nearly 5,400 tons and to carry 12 R-1 missiles (Soviet versions of the V-2) and Lastochka cruise missiles.[7] However, the program encountered numerous issues that the designers could not overcome,[3] including, among others, problems with stabilizing the missile prior to launch.[8] In the early phase of developing sea-to-land missile systems, the Soviet Union regarded this kind of weapon solely as a tactical asset without strategic significance.[3]

It's just another missile to add to the collection of missiles and missile theories, though !
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 01:21:58 PM: Quote from: GlennM on May 21, 2026, 07:06:27 PM
If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership. Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.
We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.

But who is dragging fiction and fact together !? You are introducing fiction and science fiction and mixing it up with facts!
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on June 03, 2026, 04:53:08 PM: okey1 Nyet!
Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: sarapuk on June 10, 2026, 02:48:18 PM: Quote from: GlennM on June 03, 2026, 04:53:08 PM
okey1 Nyet!

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Title: Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
Post by: GlennM on June 10, 2026, 06:26:01 PM: All behavior is motivated. All motivations are not easily understood from behavior. This is why we are here.to learn and preserve the memories of our teachers.